White Supremacist groups on the rise in U.S.

onelongsong wrote:

as i recall; the land was given to us. after thousands of mexicans slaughtered 200 trapped americans; houston was given territory.

Then we kicked their ass

miller8966 wrote:

Doesnt matter what kind. We dont ask for a kind of black do we?

Most American blacks are from families that were taken from their countries, stripped of their cultures, and forced into servitude. Most probably don't know what area of Africa their ancestors come from.

Most whites in this country have a fairly strong European cultural streak - be it Irish (St. Patrick's Day), German (Ocktoberfest), French (Mardi Gras, baby), etc.

All I'm saying is there are plenty of "white pride" days. Take your pick.

onelongsong wrote:

as i recall; blacks were offered a free ticket back to africa. i guess they didn't want to go back and starve.

I don't get where you're going with this. For one, some did go back. Most, though, probably didn't want to go somewhere where they had no known connection through either culture or language. Hell, considering the level of education given to slaves at the time, many probably didn't even know what Africa was all about.

Besides, at the time, I believe Africa was lousy with white people all trying to run the place. Would that have really been any better?

miller8966 wrote:

I think its stupid when jewish people get certain holidays off.

No more stupid than getting time off to celebrate the alleged birth of a Jewish Rabbi Jesus by opening gifts from an imaginary fat man who delivers gifts by reindeer.

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Why don't you get a life instead of making inflamatory comments designed to get a rise out of people?

Did mom/dad not give you enough hugs as a child?

Did some white supremicist group welcome you with open arms when the rest of the world rejected you?

How did you get to be such a hate-monger?

To Millers credit I dont think he's a hate monger. I think the comment was directed at me, not jews.

miller8966 wrote:

Im not getting a rise out of people. Im just making a point; the point being that im white and want to celebrate my heritage.

My mom gave me plenty of hugs.

Well Im White. But I dont identify myself as being a White American. We are European, largely, and therefore celebrate our cultural heritage. That makes a whole lot more sense. Im all for St Patricks Day for Irish. Cinco De Mayo, and all other days in which I get to drink beer in celebration of someone else's background.

Ahnimus wrote:

Yay, another bunk thread.

Ahnimus to the rescue!

Where ya been, my combative friend?

cincybearcat wrote:

Here's another difference...on St. Patty's it doesn't matter if your Irish...you can still celebrate...at the 'Balck Family Reunion' it's a bit different. That Irish pride you see is probably coming from someone of German heritage.

That's true now, but it wasn't always. The Irish were pretty oppressed back in the day, if I remember my history correctly; and it was a long while before any "intermixing" occured. The same goes with many other whites - hence cities having areas like Germantown, Little Italy, etc.

cincybearcat wrote:

There is no way someone can effectively argue that slavery was ok or that offering tickets back to Africa wipes the slate clean or that racism doesn't exist...but the only way we get past that is if we stop making acknowledging race as big of a deal as it is today. Stop grouping up based on race, any race. Stop using race as criteria for a job or college admittence, etc. Just my $0.02.

I agree that that stuff should stop ... when it's time. I don't think it is right now. Integration between whites and blacks is a good deal more recent than the integration between different white cultures. And, the animosity between whites and blacks runs a little deeper.

Take World War II for example. These days a young American and a young German can sit down together over a beer and kinda joke about it - like, say, "remember that time we totally kicked your ass."

There would be a completely different conotation if a young white man and a young black man had a few drinks and the white guy said, "hey, remember that time when we owned you." The same could be said if the table was being shared by a German and a Jew.

RainDog wrote:

That's true now, but it wasn't always. The Irish were pretty oppressed back in the day, if I remember my history correctly; and it was a long while before any "intermixing" occured. The same goes with many other whites - hence cities having areas like Germantown, Little Italy, etc.

I agree that that stuff should stop ... when it's time. I don't think it is right now. Integration between whites and blacks is a good deal more recent than the integration between different white cultures. And, the animosity between whites and blacks runs a little deeper.

Take World War II for example. These days a young American and a young German can sit down together over a beer and kinda joke about it - like, say, "remember that time we totally kicked your ass."

There would be a completely different conotation if a young white man and a young black man had a few drinks and the white guy said, "hey, remember that time when we owned you." The same could be said if the table was being shared by a German and a Jew.

Thanks for you thoughts on this. It's interesting being able to talk about it without being called a racist quickly.

I like your examples about sitting down and talking...I guess since the war is over it can be done, but since blacks are still oppressed (there are plenty of racist people out there) they can't joke about it. Maybe your right about needing more time before doing away with some things...but I will still ascertain that Afirmitive Action is counter-productive because it is elongating the time frame to where we get ot the point you mention above because it is using color as the sole means for something. It's creating animosity where it wouldn't otherwise exist in some cases.