Gunman opens fire at US college

macgyver06 · February 2008

Byrnzie wrote:

I wonder if you'd feel the same way if a member of your family was a victim of gun crime.

yes i would because i understand that is not the answer to the problem that happened... just as a traffic light put up after an accident doesnt stop people not paying attention from running it...and in a lot of cases i bet you could find they are actually worse off than before.

THE FRONT LINE IS EVERYWHERE.. ALWAYS HAS BEEN

seems people are forgetting this... all these traffic lights and laws and safety requirements and tools to make you feel secure are a lie.

theres one thing people have forever been trying or seeking to reach a goal of illusion in this earth.. you cannot control the mind of a lunatic.

this is a minor event and thats it...its unfortunate...but the gunmen is dead so... ITS A LOSS...

terrible thing to happen though. but parading around pretending like you are gonna make this place better through laws and safety measures is an act of lunacy in itself..

plant a tree... donate to the sick...

these help

stuckinline · February 2008

jbalicki10 wrote:

Hello,
I am a NIU Alumni and a Pearl Jam Fan/clubmember. I noticed that this thread here and I admit I haven't read through the entire thread. But the people here that are arguing about gun control for either side in this thread are complete jerks. This tragedy is not about gun control and there quite a few threads to discuss this if you would like. Please quit using this thread to fit your agenda. Instead give sympathy and or advice to those students who may need it. Also Please post any forthcomming news.
Thanks
John

so is there anything we can do to help you or the other pit members that are directly impacted from this tragedy?

Byrnzie · February 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

all these traffic lights and laws and safety requirements and tools to make you feel secure are a lie.

theres one thing people have forever been trying or seeking to reach a goal of illusion in this earth.. you cannot control the mind of a lunatic.

this is a minor event and thats it...its unfortunate...but the gunmen is dead so... ITS A LOSS...

terrible thing to happen though. but parading around pretending like you are gonna make this place better through laws and safety measures is an act of lunacy in itself..

plant a tree... donate to the sick...

these help

No one's saying that banning guns will suddenly transform America, or anywhere else, into a crime free utopia. What it would achieve is a reduction in these kinds of mass killings, which are almost becoming a weekly event.

Im still here · February 2008

Byrnzie wrote:

I wonder if you'd feel the same way if a member of your family was a victim of gun crime.

If this had happened to one of my family I wouldn't be mad at the guns, I'd be mad at the person. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Use you brain, that's what God gave it to you for.

Byrnzie · February 2008

jbalicki10 wrote:

This tragedy is not about gun control and there quite a few threads to discuss this if you would like. Please quit using this thread to fit your agenda. Instead give sympathy and or advice to those students who may need it. Also Please post any forthcomming news.
Thanks
John

This tragedy is about gun control. And this thread is open for anyone to say whatever they like on the subject of school shootings, and on gun crime in general.

And, this message pit already has two moderators...we don't need a third. Thanks anyway.

macgyver06 · February 2008

Byrnzie wrote:

No one's saying that banning guns will suddenly transform America, or anywhere else, into a crime free utopia. What it would achieve is a reduction in these kinds of mass killings, which are almost becoming a weekly event.

than why the hell would Bush discontinue the Assault Weapons ban? i can go out today and have an assault rifle by monday...

now that the ban is lifted...there is a new market for these guns which means they are being produced once again at alarming rates..

i dont think the crimes in this civilization are ever going to be going in the opposite direction.. guns are getting bigger and easier to gain access to... its evolution... these crimes are the result of the society we live in.

Byrnzie · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

If this had happened to one of my family I wouldn't be mad at the guns, I'd be mad at the person. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Use you brain, that's what God gave it to you for.

People aren't capable of spitting bullets from their mouths at approx 500 meters a second. Only guns can do this.

Use you brain.

Byrnzie · February 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

than why the hell would Bush discontinue the Assault Weapons ban? i can go out today and have an assault rifle by monday...

now that the ban is lifted...there is a new market for these guns which means they are being produced once again at alarming rates..

i dont think the crimes in this civilization are ever going to be going in the opposite direction.. guns are getting bigger and easier to gain access to... its evolution... these crimes are the result of the society we live in.

I don't understand what you're saying. I think you need to read my post again.

polaris · February 2008

america has always found solace in the bullet ... it goes beyond gun control ... it's about what plagues the society at its core ... it's about a place that lacks any realness that after a while - one's only option is to revolt in the worst possible way ...

even flow? · February 2008

Judging by this info from the CBC article on the shooting. There are only two answers: One, the people are fucked up and can get ahold of a gun no problem. Or, the gun is easy to get for fucked up people.

This is most impressive. Here is the quote:

It's the fourth shooting at an American school in a week. The others were:

Feb. 12: A 14-year-old boy shot a 15-year-old boy in a classroom at E.O. Green Junior High School in Oxnard, Calif. The victim was declared brain dead at hospital.

Feb. 11: A 17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically injuring a student during gym class at Mitchell High School in Memphis, Tenn.

Feb. 8: A nursing student opened fire at the Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge, killing two students before killing herself.

LikeAnOcean · February 2008

Byrnzie wrote:

There are many who'd say that It's this kind of thinking that's responsible for the fact that the U.S has experienced four high school shootings in the past week.
Have you never wondered why this shit doesn't occur anywhere else on the planet with such frequency? When was the last time a high school, or college kid walked into his school in England and shot the place up? Stabbing is a fashionable thing in England these days, but there's only ever one victim, not 5, and especially not 30.

Again, my point, what drove this guy to perform this act in the first place? Are you telling me it is impossible to get a hold of a gun in England if you were determined to do it legally or illegally? I think its more a reflection of U.S. society rather than how available guns are.

Im still here · February 2008

Byrnzie wrote:

People aren't capable of spitting bullets from their mouths at approx 500 meters a second. Only guns can do this.

Use you brain.

it takes a person to pull the trigger

and I will make another point, I have two Uncle's, they are dead now, one died of cancer one of a heart attack

they were both mentally unstable and owned lots of guns and they never killed anyone besides a deer or a rabbit

at one time one of them freaked out and had to be committed, he never shot anyone in his whole life

there goes your arguement that mentally unstable people should not have guns

that's an actual life experience, argue that away

LikeAnOcean · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

it takes a person to pull the trigger

and I will make another point, I have two Uncle's, they are dead now, one died of cancer one of a heart attack

they were both mentally unstable and owned lots of guns and they never killed anyone besides a deer or a rabbit

at one time one of them freaked out and had to be committed, he never shot anyone in his whole life

there goes your arguement that mentally unstable people should not have guns

that's an actual life experience, argue that away

I agree with your stance on this one, Im Still Here, but I think you used a very bad example for the arguement. Mentally unstable people should not be around guns.

Im still here · February 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I agree with your stance on this one, Im Still Here, but I think you used a very bad example for the arguement. Mentally unstable people should not be around guns.

but that's a true life story of two individuals who were mentally disturbed and owned LOTS of guns and never did anything like this

to make a generalization that all people whose brain's aren't functioning properly shouldn't have 2nd amendment rights is just wrong

the 2nd amendment applies to all people, regardless of their mental capacity

these are people I thought all my life, "maybe they shouldn't own guns", and they were harmless

now I do agree that people under 21 should not be able to obtain guns, now how we go about that is a different story.........

polaris · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

but that's a true life story of two individuals who were mentally disturbed and owned LOTS of guns and never did anything like this

to make a generalization that all people whose brain's aren't functioning properly shouldn't have 2nd amendment rights is just wrong

the 2nd amendment applies to all people, regardless of their mental capacity

these are people I thought all my life, "maybe they shouldn't own guns", and they were harmless

now I do agree that people under 21 should not be able to obtain guns, now how we go about that is a different story.........

just cuz nothing happened with your relatives doesn't make it necessarily appropriate ... it's sort of like drinking and driving ... people do it every day because they get away with it ...

callen · February 2008

Lots of Americans have been scared out of their minds by our news media along with our government and have this incessant need to protect themselves. Till this fear ends we'll continue to hoard our weapons..folks that buy and own guns are more likely to be killed or kill their family members...so in the long run, maybe in a million years we'll have the fear gene eradicated..."Its evolution baby!"

Byrnzie · February 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Again, my point, what drove this guy to perform this act in the first place? Are you telling me it is impossible to get a hold of a gun in England if you were determined to do it legally or illegally? I think its more a reflection of U.S. society rather than how available guns are.

It's very difficult to get hold of a gun in England. Very difficult. And a college student who cracks, will not have the abilty to simply go and grab a gun and then go shooting people at random. It's just not possible over here. He would need to have his wits about him to find a gun. That's the difference. And it's a big difference.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · February 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I think its more a reflection of U.S. society rather than how available guns are.

It's both.

The main problem is the society part, but it IS way too easy to obtain a gun too. The laws on that definitively need to be changed somehow to make it more difficult.

Byrnzie · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

it takes a person to pull the trigger

It takes a gun to fire a steel bullet at 500 meters a second. A person without a gun, and hence, without a trigger, would be incapable of inflicting the kind of large scale damage that a person with a gun can inflict.

Im still here wrote:

and I will make another point, I have two Uncle's, they are dead now, one died of cancer one of a heart attack

they were both mentally unstable and owned lots of guns and they never killed anyone besides a deer or a rabbit

at one time one of them freaked out and had to be committed, he never shot anyone in his whole life

there goes your arguement that mentally unstable people should not have guns

that's an actual life experience, argue that away

So, your logical deduction is that because not all mentally unstable people have committed a gun crime, mentally unstable people should be permitted to carry guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.

Im still here · February 2008

Byrnzie wrote:

It takes a gun to fire a steel bullet at 500 meters a second. A person without a gun, and hence, without a trigger, would be incapable of inflicting the kind of large scale damage that a person with a gun can inflict.

So, your logical deduction is that because not all mentally unstable people have committed a gun crime, mentally unstable people should be permitted to carry guns? Sorry, I don't buy that.

so punish the masses for a small percentage of people?

that makes no sense either.......

does it?

face it we are not safe, no matter where you go or what you do our Government cannot protect you from everything

honestly I wouldn't want to live in a World like that, would you?

Gunman opens fire at US college

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