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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    ive seen you say some pretty odd things around here man, but this one takes the cake. it is the single most asinine and ridiculous comment i have ever read in my entire life. gay men would jump at the chance to have sex with a beautiful woman? do you even know a single gay man? cos i know several, and most of them HAVE passed on the chance to have sex with beautiful women, i watched them say no. what could POSSIBLY be the rational basis for this assertion? the fact that you think gay is some myth? let me get this straight... you are saying that a guy who has the chance to sleep with beautiful women, will decide to forgo that, and pretend to be gay, thereby suffering abuse, humiliation, discrimination, and degradation everywhere he goes, force himself to have sex with men instead even though he wants to have sex with women, for the purpose of... what? why would this "decision" be made? im serious, i want to know.

    First of all i don't it's "odd" or "asinine". Regardless of what you claim to have seen, i have known men who profess to be "gay" and all of them either have or would jump at the chance to have sex with very attractive women. And as far as women are concerned, it is also true that the vast majority of "gay" ones, have at least a dresser drawer full of fake cocks. WTF!? And i've said before the "face humiliation, discrimination, and degradation" argument simply doesn't hold water. "Gay" is fucking cool now. Its hip and popular. Beautiful women flock to be around gay men. i've heard them called "fag hags". Watch MTV for 5 freaking seconds. MTV is a fucking mirror of how pathetic pop culture really is. I firmly believe "gay" to be nothing more than a social construct.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    hippiemom wrote:
    Thank you :) I wasn't trying to start a pity party for myself, I just wanted to try and clarify the difference between being afraid of burning to death or being beaten to death, and being afraid of death itself. Death can look mighty appealing at times.

    oh, i know you weren't. i just felt for you when i read your words. it makes me sad to think that you went through that, and that other people also suffer such things. i'm just happy you're ok and here to have these discussions. haha, death may look mightly appealing at times, but i want to stay far away from that appeal. too many pearl jam shows to attend. ;)

    :D
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Stop dissin' homos

    OLS, you have no idea what it's like to be dead. You are alive!

    To say that you died and then came back to life is complete nonsense. You did not died, you were unconscious and hallucinating. It happens. When you are dead permanently then you will be dead.

    It's so obvious that consciousness does not continue after death. It would be nice if it did, but there is evidence against it. For example, brain damage or a lobotomy can remove portions of your conscious experience, yet you do not exist in life and after-life at the same time, those experiences are simply gone, permanently.

    You guys aren't going to learn how humans work from a 4,000 year old stone tablet. I mean this is hardly a debate, you have one point of reference that is totally archaic, and you ignore the other ancient texts. You vision is narrowly fixed on this one book and you deny everything else.

    So, why don't we just conclude that you are living 4,000 in the past and you are prejudice against a large portion of society. God is mocked because the whole idea is childish and it's the subject of much study, why do people believe that nonsense?

    I may sound a bit annoyed, but really, God is a joke, a mythical deity, there is no evidence for it, evidence against it. Homosexuals do exist and are real people. I'd much rather make peace with humanity than live my life by some ancient fucking code that isn't true anyway. With the exception of some vague historical accounts.
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  • scw156
    scw156 Posts: 442
    PJammin' wrote:
    so you say there's no Jesus, so i lived my life in an honorable way and i didn't sway in the wind like someone who makes no choice. at least i had some guts. that being said, i'm 100% confident i won't be the fool. besides, God gives you blessings that you know you're on the right path. i'm not going to list them because i'll only be mocked. :)

    wow. you lived your life in a good way. great. every person on Earth should live life that way, helping others, being nice etc. etc... you don't need to be Catholic or believe in God to be nice. and these "blessings"... in my opinion they can just be you rationalizing things to fit your beliefs. for instance, what if i believe touching a red carpet keeps my family healthy... they aren't sick... so its working? we both know thats not the case, i'm just putting things together so it works around my beliefs. I suspect that may be what you mean by "blessings"... you have something happen, whatever it may be and justify it as a blessing. saying it was Gods work or Gods will...

    PJammin' wrote:
    that's their right. i'm not saying that i believe in mine more than they believe in theirs. all i'm saying is there is ONE TRUTH. there's not two. someone is right and someone is wrong. i believe i'm right. well, you'll say, they believe THEY'RE right. well, we'll see now, won't we.

    for some reason when you keep talking like this its somewhat of a competition or something... "oooh, i betting i'm right... WE SHALL SEE, won't we!!!" thats just the way it comes off. and what if every religions "truth" is wrong? what if we do just rot in the ground and eventually become fertilizer for a plant? Again, just because you believe very strongly in Gods word doesn't mean its the ONE TRUTH...

    PJammin' wrote:
    what if you don't believe in jail? it still exists, doesn't it. you can't negate the truth.

    I can visit jail. How many times have you visited Hell... or Heaven for that matter? Soooo, you're taking a books word for it. So just like you can "believe" that Heaven and Hell are really there... I can "believe" that they AREN'T there...

    PJammin' wrote:
    i don't care if you believe in the same thing as me. all i care about is getting along with people. it's YOUR choice what you believe.

    wait wait wait

    You don't care what other people believe but then you keep saying things like "well, you're going to hell then". That seems like a pretty dick thing to say. Because you believe "Hell" is the worst place to ever be.. so utterly terrible... but then you make statements to people you "want to get along with" like: "wow man... you don't think the same thing as me... you be going to Hell man"
    you're essentially wishing all those who aren't thinking like you (i.e. Believing in "God's word") all the worst.

    You cant be nice etc. while in the same breath telling someone they are going to (in your opinion) the most terrible place ever. (Hell)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    How can God exist if free-will is an illusion? :p
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    scw156 wrote:
    wow. you lived your life in a good way. great. every person on Earth should live life that way, helping others, being nice etc. etc... you don't need to be Catholic or believe in God to be nice. and these "blessings"... in my opinion they can just be you rationalizing things to fit your beliefs. for instance, what if i believe touching a red carpet keeps my family healthy... they aren't sick... so its working? we both know thats not the case, i'm just putting things together so it works around my beliefs. I suspect that may be what you mean by "blessings"... you have something happen, whatever it may be and justify it as a blessing. saying it was Gods work or Gods will...

    no, you're right. you DON'T need to believe in God to be nice. :) i don't need to rationalize anything. i base my facts on what has happened to me. i'm not putting ANYTHING together. i don't need to prove God's works to someone who doesn't believe. however, if you feel touching a red carpet does it for you, touch the red carpet.

    for some reason when you keep talking like this its somewhat of a competition or something... "oooh, i betting i'm right... WE SHALL SEE, won't we!!!" thats just the way it comes off. and what if every religions "truth" is wrong? what if we do just rot in the ground and eventually become fertilizer for a plant? Again, just because you believe very strongly in Gods word doesn't mean its the ONE TRUTH...

    if you look back on my statements, i don't think i bet anyone. i did say we shall see because, well, we will. for all you know i could be wrong, so why does it bother you so much? i'm not forcing anything upon anyone. also, i don't look at it as a competition. those are your feelings. i'm sorry you feel that way. if you want to think that you rot in the ground and become fertilizer, by all means, think that way.

    I can visit jail. How many times have you visited Hell... or Heaven for that matter? Soooo, you're taking a books word for it. So just like you can "believe" that Heaven and Hell are really there... I can "believe" that they AREN'T there...

    i haven't visited hell and i don't think i want to. :p the kingdom of heaven is from within, so i can visit as much as i want. you look at the Bible as a book, i look at it as God's Word. once again, you can believe anything you want, but i hope you believe in something that makes you want to do even more good. :)



    wait wait wait

    You don't care what other people believe but then you keep saying things like "well, you're going to hell then". That seems like a pretty dick thing to say. Because you believe "Hell" is the worst place to ever be.. so utterly terrible... but then you make statements to people you "want to get along with" like: "wow man... you don't think the same thing as me... you be going to Hell man"
    you're essentially wishing all those who aren't thinking like you (i.e. Believing in "God's word") all the worst.

    You cant be nice etc. while in the same breath telling someone they are going to (in your opinion) the most terrible place ever. (Hell)

    i never said, "well, you're going to hell then." look back on my words and "I" didn't say that. i never said that i was the judge. if you believe there isn't a God, a heaven and a hell then you have nothing to worry about, right. i came here to add to this particular thread and you want to make me out to be a hater. that's not what i'm about. i don't wish the worst on people, and i don't care if you think that i'm that way or not. if you can't handle my posts just ignore them. you don't have to search God out, but there might be some people on this board that want to. some people here don't believe in God, i'm presenting the other side to the discussion.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PJammin' wrote:
    i base my facts on what has happened to me.

    Interesting, I thought facts had to be objectifiable and falsifiable for them to be facts.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    PJammin' wrote:
    the point is...

    you WANT to live meant: NOBODY wants to die in the first place. it's our natural instinct to want to live.

    he's never been dead yet he knows it's like sleep. ok. i was just being facetious about him testing his theory. the main point is we ALL want to stay alive.

    So what's the point. Because people want to live there's a heaven? I fail to see the connection.

    I think there's nothing, death and that's it, no more. Does my will to be alive negate that in some way?
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    PJammin' wrote:
    because david karesh was teaching his own laws that went against the word of God. please, don't even compare Jesus and david karesh. it's a joke.

    Reincarnation. Maybe he came to tell the people God changed his laws. How would you ever know?
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Stop dissin' homos

    OLS, you have no idea what it's like to be dead. You are alive!

    To say that you died and then came back to life is complete nonsense. You did not died, you were unconscious and hallucinating. It happens. When you are dead permanently then you will be dead.

    It's so obvious that consciousness does not continue after death. It would be nice if it did, but there is evidence against it. For example, brain damage or a lobotomy can remove portions of your conscious experience, yet you do not exist in life and after-life at the same time, those experiences are simply gone, permanently.

    You guys aren't going to learn how humans work from a 4,000 year old stone tablet. I mean this is hardly a debate, you have one point of reference that is totally archaic, and you ignore the other ancient texts. You vision is narrowly fixed on this one book and you deny everything else.

    So, why don't we just conclude that you are living 4,000 in the past and you are prejudice against a large portion of society. God is mocked because the whole idea is childish and it's the subject of much study, why do people believe that nonsense?

    I may sound a bit annoyed, but really, God is a joke, a mythical deity, there is no evidence for it, evidence against it. Homosexuals do exist and are real people. I'd much rather make peace with humanity than live my life by some ancient fucking code that isn't true anyway. With the exception of some vague historical accounts.

    first; everyone here knows i don't put much trust in the bible. i am nostic. the bible was written by men. men who sought power to be exact. if you know your history; it was the pope that ordered galleleo assassinated in 1635.
    next; i was legally brain dead for about 20 minutes when an artery popped in my head. i've lost a large portion of my brain and my doctors are baffled because i should not be alive. yet i am alive with an IQ 2 points short of genius. the brain does not continue after death; but the "being" or soul does. i was questioned extensively and was able to tell what people were doing to the point of what magazine my mother was reading while i was dead. if i was hallucinating; it was a hullicination that was accurate of all facts.

    if the idea of God is childish; then 87% of the population is childish. you're ideas are shared by only a small minority. why should anyone believe a small percentage of madmen who say God doesn't exist? you are a small minority brushed under the carpet and ignored. we know you're full of shit. period. you yourself just said religious beliefs have been a part of man for over 4000 years. it seems awful arrogant that now you have arrived with the truth.
    go sell your snake oils somewhere else. 87% of the population isn't buying your crap.

    science has proven biblical accounts more now than ever. the discoveries of scrolls and ancient cities happens almost daily. you are free to believe what you want but so is everyone else. let people believe what they want.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Interesting, I thought facts had to be objectifiable and falsifiable for them to be facts.

    oh sorry. i further base my beliefs on God from what has happened to me. :)
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Collin wrote:
    Maybe he came to tell the people God changed his laws. How would you ever know?

    Hebrews 13:8
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Collin wrote:
    I think there's nothing, death and that's it, no more.

    then as far as you're concerned, you're right. live it up. :)
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    why should anyone believe a small percentage of madmen who say God doesn't exist? you are a small minority brushed under the carpet and ignored. we know you're full of shit. period.

    I can't wait to read the responses to this, something this ignorant is bound to create a few tensions.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    PJammin' wrote:
    Hebrews 13:8

    Did Jesus or god write that? Or some random dude?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    . i was questioned extensively and was able to tell what people were doing to the point of what magazine my mother was reading while i was dead. if i was hallucinating; it was a hullicination that was accurate of all facts.

    You were lying there dying and you mom was busy browsing a magazine?

    whoa...that kinda sucks..
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    onelongsong wrote:
    i was legally brain dead for about 20 minutes when an artery popped in my head. i've lost a large portion of my brain and my doctors are baffled because i should not be alive. yet i am alive with an IQ 2 points short of genius.

    THAT'S AMAZING! VERY COOL.

    the brain does not continue after death; but the "being" or soul does.

    yes, i believe that. thanks for sharing your story.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Why is it okay for people to mock God and religion, but it's not okay to mock homosexuals?
    I just wondered because I see religion mocked constantly, yet somebody says something about a gay person, and people flip out.

    mock religion in front of a religious person...
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    I can't wait to read the responses to this, something this ignorant is bound to create a few tensions.

    but it's true. 12% is nothing. not even worth consideration.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You were lying there dying and you mom was busy browsing a magazine?

    whoa...that kinda sucks..

    me mum didn't know i was dead at the time.

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