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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    chopitdown wrote:
    just b/c people believe in God doesn't make them perfect either. But I can see your point.


    As Jesus would have done. When a gun toting, hot head who believes in God and Jesus is having their house broken into. They should realize that that person may have less then them and offer to give them some of their overindulged, worldly possessions instead of shooting them. Don't forget your ten commandments kids. Ah yes the reason why we can repent on our death beds. Makes us all feel a whole lot better for not living a good life.

    Edit: Beacause those tools with WWJD on their cars don't have a fucking clue what Jesus would do. :D
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    even flow? wrote:
    Edit: Beacause those tools with WWJD on their cars don't have a fucking clue what Jesus would do. :D

    I'm fairly confident he wouldn't drive slow in the left lane and he'd use his turn signal...some days that's all i ask for from people.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    chopitdown wrote:
    I'm fairly confident he wouldn't drive slow in the left lane and he'd use his turn signal...some days that's all i ask for from people.
    After years of driving around in Ohio, this is almost enough to turn me into a Christian.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • deadnote
    deadnote Posts: 1,678
    restraints of the soul
    where should we go
    what can we do
    what do we deserve
    who says whats right
    im still searching
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    soulsinging wrote:
    you ever been in jail? i've never met so many devout christians in my life. they all read the bible and talk about jesus and their faith. it's ridiculous.

    Captive audience! :D

    Bit like I've always considered those who have an epiphany and go to god when they have a major life changing event like illness, to be weak minded. If you want to follow God by all means follow God but it's sad to think that people are so frightened by their lot in life that they can't reason their way through some events.
    NOPE!!!

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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    chopitdown wrote:
    I'm fairly confident he wouldn't drive slow in the left lane and he'd use his turn signal...some days that's all i ask for from people.


    :D Nice!
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Jeanie wrote:
    Captive audience! :D

    Bit like I've always considered those who have an epiphany and go to god when they have a major life changing event like illness, to be weak minded. If you want to follow God by all means follow God but it's sad to think that people are so frightened by their lot in life that they can't reason their way through some events.
    Quite a few people have expressed amazement that I haven't had some sort of religious epiphany since I got sick. A couple of weeks ago my sister-in-law offered to take me to a faith healer. After I wiped the flabbergasted expression off my face, I said, "Ummmmm ... thanks, but atheists don't really do the faith healer thing." And she said, "Oh! You're still an atheist?! How could you still be an atheist?!" It's not the first time I've heard something like that. It's like you're expected to be unable to cope on your own. I don't understand it.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    you ever been in jail? i've never met so many devout christians in my life. they all read the bible and talk about jesus and their faith. it's ridiculous.

    never even had a traffic ticket.
    however; isn't it amazing how God gets all these people through the prison conditions. part of being christian is admitting you're not perfect. also knowing you did wrong and trying to correct and/or feel remorse for what you did.

    why are athiests always trying to recruit? why are they always trying to convince christians they're wrong? you argue the point like you have to PROVE God doesn't exist.
    athiest on this board talk about God more than christians. why is this?
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    hippiemom wrote:
    Quite a few people have expressed amazement that I haven't had some sort of religious epiphany since I got sick. A couple of weeks ago my sister-in-law offered to take me to a faith healer. After I wiped the flabbergasted expression off my face, I said, "Ummmmm ... thanks, but atheists don't really do the faith healer thing." And she said, "Oh! You're still an atheist?! How could you still be an atheist?!" It's not the first time I've heard something like that. It's like you're expected to be unable to cope on your own. I don't understand it.

    He/she could have put their hand on your head, you could have hit the deck and then I could have watched it on t.v.. To see hippiemom on Benny Hinn. Yeah! :)
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    athiest on this board talk about God more than christians. why is this?


    Must be like penis envy. And who really buys into that.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    even flow? wrote:
    He/she could have put their hand on your head, you could have hit the deck and then I could have watched it on t.v.. To see hippiemom on Benny Hinn. Yeah! :)
    Hahaha ... that's pretty much what my daughter said when I told her about the invitation.

    "Oh wow, that would be GREAT!!!! That's what we should do for my birthday!!! It'd be like a Seinfeld episode!"

    :D
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jeanie wrote:
    Captive audience! :D

    Bit like I've always considered those who have an epiphany and go to god when they have a major life changing event like illness, to be weak minded. If you want to follow God by all means follow God but it's sad to think that people are so frightened by their lot in life that they can't reason their way through some events.

    when you lose hope; you lose the battle. if someone takes comfort in prayer or turning to God; it gives them hope and with hope comes healing.

    and if someone does turn to God; why should an athiest give it a second thought? i pray for hippiemom to get better. i don't care what she believes. does it really matter? it won't hurt her and it's my way of sending love and hope to her.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    hippiemom wrote:
    Quite a few people have expressed amazement that I haven't had some sort of religious epiphany since I got sick. A couple of weeks ago my sister-in-law offered to take me to a faith healer. After I wiped the flabbergasted expression off my face, I said, "Ummmmm ... thanks, but atheists don't really do the faith healer thing." And she said, "Oh! You're still an atheist?! How could you still be an atheist?!" It's not the first time I've heard something like that. It's like you're expected to be unable to cope on your own. I don't understand it.

    I remember that coz you posted in Song Break. :)

    I do know what you mean mom. Had a whole bunch of well meaning folk try to surround and envelope me with "God's Love" while I was in hospital grappling with a body that refused to do what it was told and a diagnosis that was proving to be quite the mind meld. And I can kind of understand how it happens that people choose God in these situations. Or think that you would. You're in a hightened emotional state, frightened and looking for comfort, so you seek out something "safe" and "productive" to fill your mind with, in order to block out the questions you can't answer and the fear that you can't deal with.
    Cleverly, my tiny little mind got stuck on that all absorbing life question,
    "When will my soulmate arrive? I know he must be around here somewhere. He's close I can feel it! Where is he already?" :D Such a safe subject to ponder!!! Got me through! ;)
    NOPE!!!

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    even flow? wrote:
    Must be like penis envy. And who really buys into that.

    no kidding. it wasn't a jew of muslum that complains about christian symbols on government; it's the athiests. if God doesn't exist; why does it bother them? why does 12% of the population feel the rest should change for them? we're suppose to have freedom of religion. why do they try to stifle that? it makes no bloody sense to me.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    onelongsong wrote:
    when you lose hope; you lose the battle. if someone takes comfort in prayer or turning to God; it gives them hope and with hope comes healing.

    and if someone does turn to God; why should an athiest give it a second thought? i pray for hippiemom to get better. i don't care what she believes. does it really matter? it won't hurt her and it's my way of sending love and hope to her.

    Ok, but having hope isn't the sole dominion of the religious. Athiests have hope. And I agree that hope brings healing. The power of love and the mind.
    Or God if that is what you believe. And if an athiest doesn't turn to god why should a religious person give that a second thought?

    I don't have a problem if people choose to turn to God at a time of crisis in their life but I would have a whole lot more respect for them if they didn't turn to "GOD" because they wanted something. If they could come to God because they reasoned their way there. So be it. But times of crisis make it difficult to reason objectively. If you're really keen, why not turn to God after the crisis has passed to give thanks or something. Or before the crisis happens? That seems more logical to me. And more ethical.

    Anyway, I'm glad that I didn't turn to God. If there is a God then I would have felt like a giant hypocrite asking for anything just because my shitty little life had taken a turn for the worst. Hadn't needed him before so not gonna be asking then. AND the question that does go through my mind is if there is a God and he inflicted this shit on me then why should I even want to talk to him let alone take him into my life?

    But that's just my opinion. And it's not meant to offend anybody who doesn't share my view.

    I think it's really kind of you to care for and honor mom the way that you are by turning to your beliefs. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    no kidding. it wasn't a jew of muslum that complains about christian symbols on government; it's the athiests. if God doesn't exist; why does it bother them? why does 12% of the population feel the rest should change for them? we're suppose to have freedom of religion. why do they try to stifle that? it makes no bloody sense to me.


    I think they are scared that when they die there will be a god and that they will have trouble blowing off the notion that there isn't one while being in the presence of it. :)

    To each their own. I think that we/us here on the board talk about it to help pass the day. I don't really think that people on here are trying to convert anybody to another religion or no religion at all. But I understand where you are coming from in the real world.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jeanie wrote:
    Ok, but having hope isn't the sole dominion of the religious. Athiests have hope. And I agree that hope brings healing. The power of love and the mind.
    Or God if that is what you believe. And if an athiest doesn't turn to god why should a religious person give that a second thought?

    i don't give athiesm a second thought. i pray for mom whether she believes or not.
    Jeanie wrote:
    I don't have a problem if people choose to turn to God at a time of crisis in their life but I would have a whole lot more respect for them if they didn't turn to "GOD" because they wanted something. If they could come to God because they reasoned their way there. So be it. But times of crisis make it difficult to reason objectively. If you're really keen, why not turn to God after the crisis has passed to give thanks or something. Or before the crisis happens? That seems more logical to me. And more ethical.

    i've NEVER asked God for ANYTHING for myself. only to help others.
    Jeanie wrote:
    Anyway, I'm glad that I didn't turn to God. If there is a God then I would have felt like a giant hypocrite asking for anything just because my shitty little life had taken a turn for the worst. Hadn't needed him before so not gonna be asking then. AND the question that does go through my mind is if there is a God and he inflicted this shit on me then why should I even want to talk to him let alone take him into my life?

    but others have turned to God on you're behalf.
    Jeanie wrote:
    But that's just my opinion. And it's not meant to offend anybody who doesn't share my view.

    I think it's really kind of you to care for and honor mom the way that you are by turning to your beliefs. :)

    christians are not offended. we know something you don't know.
    as for mom; i want to do something to help. i don't want to feel helpless. this is my way of knowing i did something for her. i dedicated some of my time to send her well wishes.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    The concept of free-will is false. Therefor we do not have the free choice between right and wrong. We cannot choose heave over hell, the choice is made for us by the divine spirit that created all things and set the rules (i.e. physics) for our existence. It is this existence that determines our choices and therefor there cannot be the God as defined in the Bible that would hold us entirely accountable for eternity.

    It only makes sense to me, that God does not exist at all. The Bible is blatantly wrong on every page. But many will not believe it, when the facts are right under their nose, they can not see the truth about choice.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The concept of free-will is false. Therefor we do not have the free choice between right and wrong. We cannot choose heave over hell, the choice is made for us by the divine spirit that created all things and set the rules (i.e. physics) for our existence. It is this existence that determines our choices and therefor there cannot be the God as defined in the Bible that would hold us entirely accountable for eternity.

    It only makes sense to me, that God does not exist at all. The Bible is blatantly wrong on every page. But many will not believe it, when the facts are right under their nose, they can not see the truth about choice.

    and thus we know something you don't know. and that's where we should leave it. one opinion is as valid as the other.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The concept of free-will is false. Therefor we do not have the free choice between right and wrong. We cannot choose heave over hell, the choice is made for us by the divine spirit that created all things and set the rules (i.e. physics) for our existence. It is this existence that determines our choices and therefor there cannot be the God as defined in the Bible that would hold us entirely accountable for eternity.

    It only makes sense to me, that God does not exist at all. The Bible is blatantly wrong on every page. But many will not believe it, when the facts are right under their nose, they can not see the truth about choice.

    I enjoy your posts but can't get over the fact that you think there is no god and then that we as a human have our life laid out for us and have no bearing on where we take it with our choices throughout life.
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