Smashing Pumpkins

mickeyrat

Weston1283 said:

I’m not buying this one bit.  5:30 rolls around and you have an “illness” as the doors open?  Sure….

yes. billy is sick , of not getting the adulation he deserves.

Weston1283

mickeyrat said:

Weston1283 said:

I’m not buying this one bit.  5:30 rolls around and you have an “illness” as the doors open?  Sure….

yes. billy is sick , of not getting the adulation he deserves.

The venues Facebook page is arguing with fans, sad state of concerts were in.  Fans calling venue and band out for ticket sales and venue trying to say it was “almost sold out”

mickeyrat

huh. checked venue to see if show still on for saturday,  as of a couple days ago the radio advertising was pumpkins and openers bones uk. just looked at venue app and see that the openers have changed. new group is aeir?

Cropduster-80

Weston1283 said:

I’m not buying this one bit.  5:30 rolls around and you have an “illness” as the doors open?  Sure….

Their history of cancelling is epic
https://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=CanceledShows

Canceled "due to illness of a family member".
2003-06-15 - Heineken Jammin Festival, Imola, Italy
2003-06-16 - Italy Centralino del Tennis, Rome, Italy
2003-06-17 - Italy Arena Flegrea, Naples, Italy
2003-06-20 - Hurricane Festival, Scheesel, Germany
2003-06-21 - Spain Doctor Music Festival, Barcelona, Spain
2003-06-22 - (Unknown Venue), Toulouse, France
2003-06-24 - Marseille At The Docks, Marseille, France
2003-06-26 - Zenith, Lille, France
2003-06-27 - Glastonbury Festival, Somerset, England
2003-06-29 - Roskilde Festival, Roskilde, Denmark
2003-07-02 - Kulturbolagel, Malmo, Sweden
2003-07-03 - Tradgarn, Goteborg, Sweden
2003-07-04 - Quart Festival, Kristiansand, Norway
2003-07-06 - Ruisrock Festival, Turku, Finland
2005-07-09 - T In The Park, Kinrosshire, Scotland
2003-07-09 - Brixton Academy, London, England
2005-07-10 - Punchestown Racecourse, County Kildare, Ireland
2003-07-10 - Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England
2003-07-12 - T In The Park, Glasgow, Scotland
2003-07-13 - Witness Festival, Dublin, Ireland
2003-07-16 - Plaza XX Settembre, Fano, Italy
2003-07-18 - Gurten Festival, Bern, Switzerland
2003-07-19 - Lungamore, Catania, Italy
2003-07-20 - Piazza Napoleone, Lucca, Italy
2003-07-25 - Fuji Rock Festival, Niigata, Japan
2003-07-26 - Nihon Seinenkan Hall, Toyko, Japan

Cropduster-80

The best two cancellations:

Billy was to play the national anthem, but instead just made an appearance wrestling.
2000-07-22 - Peoria Civic Center, Peoria, IL

Show canceled because the Pumpkins couldn't secure the venue due to a gymnastics competition.
2000-11-08 - Laugardalshollinn, Reykjavik, Iceland

Zod

I think the last time they were schedule to play vancouver they cancelled for lowticketsaleacitus too.   Hoping the one in November sticks.

hihobibo

Weston1283 said:

I’m not buying this one bit.  5:30 rolls around and you have an “illness” as the doors open?  Sure….

Are they playing with Jane's Addiction on this part of their tour? I saw that Navarro had Covid, so they subbed Porno for Pyros in for Jane's at the festival show they had in Daytona. Of course, why the Pumpkins couldn't still play this show, no idea. 

HughFreakingDillon

James was actually too sick not long ago to attend some type of ceremony the rest of the band attended. I get the history, just saying it's possible it's legit. 

given2fly23

Zod said:

I think the last time they were schedule to play vancouver they cancelled for lowticketsaleacitus too.   Hoping the one in November sticks.

I hope you get your show, but dude, brace yourself...

HughFreakingDillon

Oceania tour had a stop in Winnipeg. 13,000 seater. 4,000 people. it was kind of embarrassing. But I do get it. not many people these days want a full album show unless it's one of their "classics". 

Weston1283

Looks like tonight’s show went without any issues.  

Band has yet to address or post about the cancellation on social media.  All communication was via a single venue email.

Must be that magical 12 hour illness!

mickeyrat

Weston1283 said:

Looks like tonight’s show went without any issues.  

Band has yet to address or post about the cancellation on social media.  All communication was via a single venue email.

Must be that magical 12 hour illness!

same openers? bones uk?

thats was listed since start of tour. excrpt now my Saturday show has a group called aeirs?

Zod

given2fly23 said:

Zod said:

I think the last time they were schedule to play vancouver they cancelled for lowticketsaleacitus too.   Hoping the one in November sticks.

I hope you get your show, but dude, brace yourself...

I saw that.   When the show went up for sale that whole side of the arena had no tickets for sale.  I thought that was really odd, then wham now they're all sitting there unsold.

I hope the show happens, but am also mentally preparing for lowticketsaleacitus.

Did Corgan overestimate the popularity of the pumpkins in the 21st century?

mickeyrat

Zod said:

given2fly23 said:

Zod said:

I think the last time they were schedule to play vancouver they cancelled for lowticketsaleacitus too.   Hoping the one in November sticks.

I hope you get your show, but dude, brace yourself...

I saw that.   When the show went up for sale that whole side of the arena had no tickets for sale.  I thought that was really odd, then wham now they're all sitting there unsold.

I hope the show happens, but am also mentally preparing for lowticketsaleacitus.

Did Corgan overestimate the popularity of the pumpkins in the 21st century?

hasnt he always been the underappreciated misunderstood artist?

Cropduster-80

Seems odd they probably sold as many MCIS reissues on vinyl as they did tickets on the days both were available.  Pricing is similar enough 

normally I would think more people would be willing to spend 100 bucks on a show before they would on a record 

Poncier

Zod said:

given2fly23 said:

Zod said:

I think the last time they were schedule to play vancouver they cancelled for lowticketsaleacitus too.   Hoping the one in November sticks.

I hope you get your show, but dude, brace yourself...

Did Corgan overestimate the popularity of the pumpkins in the 21st century?

They sold pretty well when they reunited with James back in 2018. But I think a lot of casual fans got their fill then (plus they were playing 3+, hour,30+ song sets so word got out about that which helped), coupled with the pandemic effect on concert ticket sales as a whole and the recent music not making any kind of splash and the demand is definitely not what it was just 4 years ago, in fact it's probably only 25-30% of that level which is kind of stunning. And Jane's Addiction on the bill is apparently having negligible impact on adding to demand as well.
Just don't think they are an arena band anymore. Should be doing 5,000 seat pavilion type venues at best, maybe even theaters.

drakeheuer14

Local H may not be a great comparison, but man they play some tiny places and a great show. If only SP could suck it up like them and play smaller venues. It’s not a knock on them and must feel better when the venue is filled

2-feign-reluctance

So people think they faked an illness to cancel a poorly sold show? Too much QAnon up in here! 

hihobibo

drakeheuer14 said:

Local H may not be a great comparison, but man they play some tiny places and a great show. If only SP could suck it up like them and play smaller venues. It’s not a knock on them and must feel better when the venue is filled

I'd say Collective Soul is a good comparison to the Pumpkins. They also have a good 8-10 radio hits, tour regularly, and play to 4-5k seat theatre and kill it everytime I've seen them. 

I've never experienced it, but if an arena does have poor sales, and you have seats, do they notify you and upgrade you to a better section day of show? Or are there just sections of empty seats with spots of people?

Cropduster-80

2-feign-reluctance said:

So people think they faked an illness to cancel a poorly sold show? Too much QAnon up in here! 

I think it’s probably in the middle. An illness can be real and also a situation where a show wouldn’t be cancelled under normal circumstances.  I think it’s an out if they want one.  I guess that just speaks to overall motivation more than anything… generally. No idea about this specific show