Israel should be proud

Commy

mickeyrat wrote:

not sure where this belongs. didn't want to start a new thread so.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_ ... ast_carter

Offers 3 seemingly plausible realities.

I think the 2 state solution is the best idea...people on both sides have shown they are not comfortable with the current status quo.

NoK

Commy wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

not sure where this belongs. didn't want to start a new thread so.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_ ... ast_carter

Offers 3 seemingly plausible realities.

I think the 2 state solution is the best idea...people on both sides have shown they are not comfortable with the current status quo.

A one state solution doesn't feel right. There will be a lot of animosity in the population considering they've been in a state of war for over 60 years.

Commy

NoK wrote:

Commy wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

not sure where this belongs. didn't want to start a new thread so.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_ ... ast_carter

Offers 3 seemingly plausible realities.

I think the 2 state solution is the best idea...people on both sides have shown they are not comfortable with the current status quo.

A one state solution doesn't feel right. There will be a lot of animosity in the population considering they've been in a state of war for over 60 years.

if people could put aside differences and accept majority rules...maybe. but that doesn't look likely...


hey baby...there aint no easy way out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnrPP3qkM0E

fuck

One-state is the best and only way. A two-state solution, to put it in the words of Ali Abunimah, is an illusion.

NoK

_outlaw wrote:

One-state is the best and only way. A two-state solution, to put it in the words of Ali Abunimah, is an illusion.

One state solution is more viable when it comes to land and resources but not when it comes to the people. I don't think Palestinians would want a soldier who happily shelled their homes killing several members of their family to become their protectors.

NoK

Commy wrote:

if people could put aside differences and accept majority rules...maybe. but that doesn't look likely...


hey baby...there aint no easy way out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnrPP3qkM0E

I prefer the Vedder version.. sounds a lot more emotional.. then again I am on a PJ message board so thats expected

Commy

NoK wrote:

Commy wrote:

if people could put aside differences and accept majority rules...maybe. but that doesn't look likely...


hey baby...there aint no easy way out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnrPP3qkM0E

I prefer the Vedder version.. sounds a lot more emotional.. then again I am on a PJ message board so thats expected

this one?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkxAmQo-Vw

NoK

Commy wrote:

this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkxAmQo-Vw

thats the one! sounds a lot more intense when he sings it.. great stuff.. thanks!

Thoughts_Arrive

Wouldn't you guys feel like firing rockets if someone took over your land?
Let's say for example, you live in the state of California and some group force their way onto your land and occupy it. Wouldn't you feel a bit pissed off? :?

NoK

this shit just doesn't end..

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel ... 35831.html

Israel accused of using farmers as human shields

mickeyrat

NoK wrote:

this shit just doesn't end..

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel ... 35831.html

Israel accused of using farmers as human shields

Oh I'm sure more is going to come to light.

SolarWorld

Anyone watch 60 minutes this sunday? I just listened to it, you can grab it from itunes... If I was a Palestinian living in the West Bank I would be firing those big bottle rockets over the walls every chance I could. The Israeli Government is seriously fucked up...

flywallyfly

SolarWorld wrote:

Anyone watch 60 minutes this sunday? I just listened to it, you can grab it from itunes... If I was a Palestinian living in the West Bank I would be firing those big bottle rockets over the walls every chance I could. The Israeli Government is seriously fucked up...

Outlaw posted this link to the video a couple of days ago. Very eye opening story. The quartering of Israeli troops in Palestinian homes is unbelievable.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349n

ogre1213

http://www.adl.org/Israel/israel_attacks.asp

NoK

In this picture
Palestinian boy Mohammed Kutkut, 14, right, covers his face as he sits next to the name sign of his killed friend Ahed Qaddas in the Fakhoura boys school in Jebaliya, northern Gaza strip, Saturday, Jan. 24, 2009. Three friends of his class where killed when the Israeli army shelled Jebaliya in the past weeks. Tens of thousands of children have flocked back to schools throughout the Gaza Strip, days after Israel ended its fierce military operation against the territory's rulers."

NoK

Report: Israeli Settlement Construction Jumps 60 % in 2008
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsD ... 4C00399A2A

http://www.peacenow.org.il/data/SIP_STO ... 5/3935.pdf

Construction in Israeli settlements on the occupied West Bank jumped 60 percent in 2008 in the wake of the re-launching of the Middle East peace process at a U.S. conference, the Peace Now watchdog group said on Wednesday.

At least 1,257 new structures were built in settlements over the course of 2008, compared to 800 erected the previous year, a report said. The ground was also prepared for 63 new structures.

Building in wildcat outposts -- settlements not authorised by the government -- saw a 2.5-fold increase, with 261 new structures built in 2008 compared with 98 the previous year, Peace Now said.

"Expansion continues -- the settlers do not need to wait for Bibi," it said, referring to right-wing opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu widely predicted by the polls to become the nation's next prime minister after February 10 elections.

Construction also boomed in annexed east Jerusalem and heated up especially after the international conference in Annapolis in November 2007 that saw Israelis and Palestinians formally relaunch their sputtering peace talks.

Tenders were issued to build 1,184 housing units in east Jerusalem in 2008, compared with 793 issued in 2007. A staggering 94 percent of the 2007 tenders were issued in December, right after the Annapolis conference.

In addition, plans to construct 2,730 housing units in east Jerusalem received final approval in 2008, compared with 391 units in 2007.

Israeli settlement in Palestinian territory is one of the thorniest issues at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The report was published as new U.S. peace envoy George Mitchell arrived in the region to push for peace negotiations.(AFP)

ONCE DEVIDED

ogre1213 wrote:

you are all blind to see that israel has to take care of business

protecting its citizens from madmen that hate freedom, hate democracy, hate everything and unleash a real and true terror and fear on people that just want to live and be free

all terrorists care about is killing and destroying

do you really think israel wanted to kill so many children and women and innocent civilians? NO

do you really think theyre goal was to kill so many children and women and innocent civilians? NO

if it was we would have been done by now and everyone in the gaza strip would be dead

that was not the goal

it tears my heart out that we had to do something like this, that so many innocent people died

but it has to be done to root out the evil from the good people

these are a few crazy hateful people that are ruining lives and killing people for no reason

they are making it difficult for people in that area of the world to live their lives

and it bothers me that there are people in America and the world that agree with them

it makes me truly sick

SORRY
Isreal should go back to the borders the UN demanded. It should abandon the settlements made on palestinian land. As far as I see it isreal is occupying palestinian land and as such are attacked by the people they are oppressing.
You want peace In Isreal or do you want more of palestine
If I was a from Palestine I also would be doing as they have

Byrnzie

NoK wrote:

Report: Israeli Settlement Construction Jumps 60 % in 2008
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsD ... 4C00399A2A

http://www.peacenow.org.il/data/SIP_STO ... 5/3935.pdf

Construction in Israeli settlements on the occupied West Bank jumped 60 percent in 2008 in the wake of the re-launching of the Middle East peace process at a U.S. conference, the Peace Now watchdog group said on Wednesday.

At least 1,257 new structures were built in settlements over the course of 2008, compared to 800 erected the previous year, a report said. The ground was also prepared for 63 new structures.

Building in wildcat outposts -- settlements not authorised by the government -- saw a 2.5-fold increase, with 261 new structures built in 2008 compared with 98 the previous year, Peace Now said.

"Expansion continues -- the settlers do not need to wait for Bibi," it said, referring to right-wing opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu widely predicted by the polls to become the nation's next prime minister after February 10 elections.

Construction also boomed in annexed east Jerusalem and heated up especially after the international conference in Annapolis in November 2007 that saw Israelis and Palestinians formally relaunch their sputtering peace talks.

Tenders were issued to build 1,184 housing units in east Jerusalem in 2008, compared with 793 issued in 2007. A staggering 94 percent of the 2007 tenders were issued in December, right after the Annapolis conference.

In addition, plans to construct 2,730 housing units in east Jerusalem received final approval in 2008, compared with 391 units in 2007.

Israeli settlement in Palestinian territory is one of the thorniest issues at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The report was published as new U.S. peace envoy George Mitchell arrived in the region to push for peace negotiations.(AFP)

Yep! That's peace in action!

Byrnzie

RM291946 wrote:

You are the one who quoted me after I stated why I hate Hamas, saying the above about Palestinians defending themselves. Obviously you simply weren't paying attention to what you were responding to, so I will leave it at that.

To whichever one who asked for proof, it's not about that. I only brought it up in the first place cos one of you said I was dug in against them and was too closed minded. so I wrote about that to explain that I'm not being closed minded, it's that they gave me reason to hate them. If you go back, you'll see that.

Please go back again and explain to me why you hate Hamas.

Byrnzie

Colorsblending9 wrote:

Here is what I believe:

Israel for defense, political, public pressure and other reasons, finally decided to retaliate against the Hamas rockets. It's been years and years of rocket fire, without any major retaliation from Israel. I do think Israel was justified in their response, and I think other nations would certainly do the same.

That being said, I do not think Israel's response (justified or otherwise) was the right thing to do in this situation. Most importantly, innocent people have died. Israel is democratic, liberal, they practice human rights. Hamas and Islamist governments do not do this. Ever wonder why Israel always gets held under double standards? They are expected to be the moral/ethical nation (which they are most of the time). if Israel messes up once, they face huge public outcry. But when Hamas murdered 100s of Palestinians in their civil battle with Fatah, there was no public outcry.

I don't think what Israel did was right. But the public needs to recognize the impossible situation that they face. And if the public truly cares about the Palestinian people, they would rally out against their Hamas leaders who seriously do not have peace and their own people's best interests at heart.

Please explain to me how you feel about the 3 year Israeli blockade of Gaza which was described by the U.N as a crime against humanity? http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane. ... endocument Also, how do you feel about the fact that Israel and the U.S continue to resist a two-state settlement?

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/articl ... 11&ar=2542
'Beyond restoring its deterrence capacity, Israel's main goal in the Gaza slaughter was to fend off the latest threat posed by Palestinian moderation. For the past three decades the international community has consistently supported a settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict that calls for two states based on a full Israeli withdrawal to its June 1967 border, and a "just resolution" of the refugee question based on the right of return and compensation. The vote on the annual U.N. General Assembly resolution, "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine," supporting these terms for resolving the conflict in 2008 was 164 in favor, 7 against (Israel, United States, Australia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau), and 3 abstentions. At the regional level the Arab League in March 2002 unanimously put forth a peace initiative on this basis, which it has subsequently reaffirmed. In recent times Hamas has repeatedly signaled its own acceptance of such a settlement. For example, in March 2008 Khalid Mishal, head of Hamas's Political Bureau, stated in an interview:

There is an opportunity to deal with this conflict in a manner different than Israel and, behind it, the U.S. is dealing with it today. There is an opportunity to achieve a Palestinian national consensus on a political program based on the 1967 borders, and this is an exceptional circumstance, in which most Palestinian forces, including Hamas, accept a state on the 1967 borders....There is also an Arab consensus on this demand, and this is a historic situation. But no one is taking advantage of this opportunity. No one is moving to cooperate with this opportunity. Even this minimum that has been accepted by the Palestinians and the Arabs has been rejected by Israel and by the U.S.[29]

Israel is fully cognizant that the Hamas Charter is not an insurmountable obstacle to a two-state settlement on the June 1967 border. "[T]he Hamas leadership has recognized that its ideological goal is not attainable and will not be in the foreseeable future," a former Mossad head recently observed. "[T]hey are ready and willing to see the establishment of a Palestinian state in the temporary borders of 1967....They know that the moment a Palestinian state is established with their cooperation, they will be obligated to change the rules of the game: They will have to adopt a path that could lead them far from their original ideological goals."[30]'

And, I'd like you to answer this question: Why are illegal Jewish-only settlements still being built?