Israel should be proud

Byrnzie

mickeyrat wrote:

Commy wrote:

The problem with that RM, is that Israel is violating international law whenever they take more land.


International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit the occupying power [from undertaking] permanent changes in the occupied area, unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

Local population meaning the Palestinian population ALREADY in place . Not the settlers.

Are you suggesting that the illegal Jewish-only settlements benefit the Palestinians?

NoK

RM291946 wrote:

Nok- okay I'll give you that, but they are still a terror. How stupid do you got to be to not realise that firing missiles at the folk holding you down is only going to piss them off? You get more with honey than vinegar.

Regarding Jordan, any land like that can be taken..if you have the military power to do so, it's your's to take. It's how countries formed in the first place. It's barbaric, but truth. Which actually reminds me of something I had completely forgotten. Territories captured by Israel during the 1967 Six Day War, including Gaza Strip, West Bank and eastern sections of Jerusalem, are rightfully theirs, no matter what any previous mandate was made. You fight, you win, it's yours. That is how it's been since the dawn of the concept of owning territory.

Are you serious? Do you realise that after the second world war all of these colonial ideologies changed? First of all read what Commy wrote to you regarding international law. Second, this mentality leads to the extinction of the human race and one cannot have a serious discussion if you truly believe that. What is to stop Israel from invading Lebanon, Jordan and so on since it has nuclear weapons why not blow the shit out of Iran. Why shouldn't Russia just invade Europe. Why not Hamas try to invade Israel? It seems alright in your books.

Anyway, they tried peace and it failed. If you were being subjugated you would resist in any way shape or form. It is not stupid, on the contrary you do not understand what they are going through because you haven't been through it yourself. Judging by your pro-colonial ideologies you would be the first to pick up arms if someone attempted to colonize you.

This is useless.

NoK

Byrnzie wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Commy wrote:

The problem with that RM, is that Israel is violating international law whenever they take more land.


International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit the occupying power [from undertaking] permanent changes in the occupied area, unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

Local population meaning the Palestinian population ALREADY in place . Not the settlers.

Are you suggesting that the illegal Jewish-only settlements benefit the Palestinians?

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mickeyrat

Byrnzie wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Commy wrote:

The problem with that RM, is that Israel is violating international law whenever they take more land.


International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit the occupying power [from undertaking] permanent changes in the occupied area, unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

Local population meaning the Palestinian population ALREADY in place . Not the settlers.

Are you suggesting that the illegal Jewish-only settlements benefit the Palestinians?

No, no I'm not. they are in NO WAY benefiting anyone but themselves.Meant more as a clarification for RMblah blah. Israel is definately violating all conventions , which they were/are signatories to.

Austicman

Nothing but a land grab and a show of power before the new US administration gets in. Scared stiff they won't get there veto's at the UN. Why else would they be bulldozing houses near the border once they took over the land. And suddenly they withdraw on the day Obama is inaugurated. Not long before Israeli elections too. A political stunt that has cost over a 1000 lives. Absolutely sickening!!

You may as well tell it to the wailing wall cause there's no excuse you can come up with that will justify the actions of Israel to me.

Flutter Girl

mickeyrat wrote:

RMblah blah

that was mature.
you and nok can't read my last post?

NoK

RM291946 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

RMblah blah

that was mature.
you and nok can't read my last post?

I replied to your last post and this statement of yours:

"As for the rest of what you said, see what I wrote to Nok about the 6 day war. Argue till your blue in the face. Israel won it, the territories are theirs."

..that says enough about you which explains the reason why you do not condemn the occupation and why what I said before regarding your criticisms of Israel being fake are true. As for this:

"When did the rules of war to seize territory get so complicated"

..so why do you criticize Hamas for trying to seize more territory? You seem to think its a human right to seize territory and live on it or is it only the right of the Israelis hahaha

You are a Zionist who supports the idea of Greater Israel. At least have the courage to state what you believe in.

Byrnzie

RM291946 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

RMblah blah

that was mature.
you and nok can't read my last post?

You mean your post related to IDF claims that tunnels were built near civilian homes?

Sure, it's always a good idea to believe anything the IDF says.

Either way, where else would you suggest Hamas places it's snipers, if not on top of buildings? And does that justify the Israeli's shelling residential areas? Shelling a residential area is a war crime, as is dropping phosphorous shells on civilian areas. Do you support Israel's war crimes?

Also. did you read my posts which describe Israel's history of deliberately targeting unarmed civilians and of using Palestinians as human shields?

Flutter Girl

no...my last post showing I obviously am not pro-war as I don't even know the "rules of war"... :(
it's not my forté

even flow - question mark

I like the fact that Israel is questioning the body count from the Palesinians. Suck it up Israel when somebody questions another body count. Get over yourselves!

mickeyrat

RM291946 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

RMblah blah

that was mature.
you and nok can't read my last post?

Wasn't going to type the # to the inital.You seem to be proisrael , so whatever. I do find however you to be pretty dug in , regarding your opinions and not open to a different viewpoint.

Heineken Helen

SkeeterB wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with them? All those kids killed - there's no excuse for that.

And that should really be the bottom line... end of discussion... but I'm guessing it won't be :(

It's not because Hamas is firing rockets in the exact same locations where kids are. Israel is striking targets where rockets are being fired from. So how can it be end of discussion?

Keep in mind that in 2005, after occupying Gaza for 38 years, the Israeli government forced 8,500 of its own settlers out of Gaza, leaving the future of Gaza to the Palestinians. But, instead of buying peace, the response of Hamas has been over 3,000 rocket attacks on Israel.

Secretary-of-State-to-be Hillary Clinton's recent speech about the Palestinian-Israeli War in Gaza showed a steely resolve when she said that the U.S. will not negotiate with the Hamas-backed Palestinians unless Hamas recognizes the State of Israeli's right to exist.

Think about it this way in terms of the United States. Say we were enemies with Canada but decided that in order to instill peace, we gave them Michigan. A few years later, they weren't satisfied and began launching rockets (behind women and children) all over the country.

Because NOBODY should be killing kids... whether they're Israeli or Palestinian... I really couldn't give a fuck.. they're KIDS. I don't care about the rest of the argument... there should be no 'but' to that.

andrewb

http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/dershowitz/ ... within_its

Commy

RM291946 wrote:

Commy wrote:

The problem with that RM, is that Israel is violating international law whenever they take more land.


International humanitarian law prohibits [an] occupying power [from transferring] citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit the occupying power [from undertaking] permanent changes in the occupied area, unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

When did the rules of war to seize territory get so complicated :?

a few years after Hitler invaded Poland.

CJMST3K

I suppose Israel should just allow Hamas to keep firing rockets at their civilians, without retaliation.

mickeyrat

CJMST3K wrote:

I suppose Israel should just allow Hamas to keep firing rockets at their civilians, without retaliation.

NO but if what they were/are doing creates that kind of reaction , then maybe they want to rethink he they're going about things.

Commy

mickeyrat wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

I suppose Israel should just allow Hamas to keep firing rockets at their civilians, without retaliation.

NO but if what they were/are doing creates that kind of reaction , then maybe they want to rethink he they're going about things.

yeah, those damn rockets that killed all of 3 civilians. during the same time Israel killed over 700 innocent palestinians. seems their is a slight imbalance to the violence.


btw, the rockets started again AS retaliation against Israeli aggression. Israel broke the ceasefire...not to excuse the rocket attacks-but people are putting a little too much importance in something that does almost no damage to Israel or its civilians.

canadajammer

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

Another point of view. Check it out, read it...

Flutter Girl

mickeyrat wrote:

RM291946 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

RMblah blah

that was mature.
you and nok can't read my last post?

Wasn't going to type the # to the inital.You seem to be proisrael , so whatever. I do find however you to be pretty dug in , regarding your opinions and not open to a different viewpoint.

coulda just said RM..My name is Bekka, if you prefer..
With Hamas, it's personal, what militants did to some of my family over there. It's why I'm dug in against them.

Otherwise I don't really identify with my Jewish family, never even met them. The relatives I do know over there are Nawari (Arab Roma), not Jewish.

Commy

RM291946 wrote:

With Hamas, it's personal, what militants did to some of my family over there. It's why I'm dug in against them.

you see the problem here I hope. when Israel goes and kills 1500 Palestinians how many family members do you think they'll be mobilizing against them.