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Cliffy6745

pjhawks wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.

Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games

AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).

journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....

It's 25 extra baserunners a year. Point is, he has had the most runners on base of any player over the past 5 years. Not really sure how you can dispute that.

did you even read what i posted? the point is that the difference in the number of baserunners is not a significantly statistical difference over 886 games AND even when ADJUSTSED to match number of games and output TEX does not match the numbers Ryan has put up. and the only reason tex is used is because that is the only player the author chose to compare. thank you come again....

I did read it and repeated what you said in a more logical manner. The reason Tex is used is because he is second in the number of runners he has had on base, not because the author arbitrarily decided to compare the two.

And I am not really sure how that is not stastically significant. Maybe his claim of having a lot more than the second place batter is a bit of a stretch but the fact remains that over a 5 year period he has had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I did read it and repeated what you said in a more logical manner. The reason Tex is used is because he is second in the number of runners he has had on base, not because the author arbitrarily decided to compare the two.

And I am not really sure how that is not stastically significant. Maybe his claim of having a lot more than the second place batter is a bit of a stretch but the fact remains that over a 5 year period he has had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.

one baserunner over 8 games is not a big difference. statistically it's just not. and ryan has driven in 3% more of those runners than the given comparison player (27% vs. 24%). those numbers just prove Ryan has been more productive for those base runners than Tex. and hey i understand some of the arguments used against ryan (even if i don't agree) but i'm just pointing out the how bogus this article is when using just the wholesale numbers of 2815 vs. 2689 runners over 886/882 games.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I did read it and repeated what you said in a more logical manner. The reason Tex is used is because he is second in the number of runners he has had on base, not because the author arbitrarily decided to compare the two.

And I am not really sure how that is not stastically significant. Maybe his claim of having a lot more than the second place batter is a bit of a stretch but the fact remains that over a 5 year period he has had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.

one baserunner over 8 games is not a big difference. statistically it's just not. and ryan has driven in 3% more of those runners than the given comparison player (27% vs. 24%). those numbers just prove Ryan has been more productive for those base runners than Tex. and hey i understand some of the arguments used against ryan (even if i don't agree) but i'm just pointing out the how bogus this article is when using just the wholesale numbers of 2815 vs. 2689 runners over 886/882 games.

How is it bogus? Whether you think it's a big number or not, Ryan Howard has had more baserunners on base when he is batting than any player in baseball over a 5 year period, that's the point. He has had more chances to drive runners in than any player in baseball. Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.

Edit: And this is really the last stat in the article you should be bashing. WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.

Really done this time.

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.

I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better).

Cliffy6745 wrote:

WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.

So? This is a team with Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Chase Utley and Shane Victorino (who is having a career year). Don't know who the 6th guy is - just guessing here. The 3 pitchers, obviously are very high in WAR in all of baseball. That's how you play to a .655 winning pct. :roll: Utley & Victorino play positions that are more challenged for offense; that's how WAR works.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.

I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better).

Cliffy6745 wrote:

WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.

So? This is a team with Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Chase Utley and Shane Victorino (who is having a career year). Don't know who the 6th guy is - just guessing here. The 3 pitchers, obviously are very high in WAR in all of baseball. That's how you play to a .655 winning pct. :roll: Utley & Victorino play positions that are more challenged for offense; that's how WAR works.

Either do I. As I always say, they have similar offensive numbers. I would personally take Tex over Howard because he brings more to the game, his defense is awesome, regardless of what UZR says and he is a switch hitter. I also think he is a much tougher out, although perhaps not this year.

Yeah, I don't know about that, using WAR to compare pitchers to hitters is strange to me. Fangraphs has Victorino, Rollins, Utley, Polanco and Ruiz ahead of him in WAR.

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.

I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better).

Cliffy6745 wrote:

WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.

So? This is a team with Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Chase Utley and Shane Victorino (who is having a career year). Don't know who the 6th guy is - just guessing here. The 3 pitchers, obviously are very high in WAR in all of baseball. That's how you play to a .655 winning pct. :roll: Utley & Victorino play positions that are more challenged for offense; that's how WAR works.

i'm not arguing at all just disputing the validity of the article given the statistics used to compare the 2 players. saying player A has had more baserunners but not comparing the actual percentage of what is done with those baserunners is flawed logic.

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

As for Brown, yeah I may be jumping the gun on him when I said "he didn't pan out" cause it's a little early to tell. But let's just say that he didn't do much to discourage a trade for Pence over the past few months. Either way, he'll play some sort of role in this march toward the World Series. He'll get a key sac-fly or something when I least expect it.

I don't know if he will be on the playoff roster. He's gonna be the starting LF next year though

One of my friends just texted me that eskin is out at 610. That is great news. I don't EVER listen to that station, but that kind of news is something that would convince me to give that station another shot

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better)

This is the understatement of the year. Better and good are two very different things. He's still horrible in the field.

I don't want to get sucked into this again...my issues with howard are his contract (which he can't control) and his decrease in productivity (especially in the playoffs). Main issue is the return on the phils investment, which I don't think comes close to justifying his outrageous contract (which hasn't even fucking started yet...christ that is awful)

These debates always seem to come up during off days.

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

These debates always seem to come up during off days.

They shouldn't get days off.

pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

As for Brown, yeah I may be jumping the gun on him when I said "he didn't pan out" cause it's a little early to tell. But let's just say that he didn't do much to discourage a trade for Pence over the past few months. Either way, he'll play some sort of role in this march toward the World Series. He'll get a key sac-fly or something when I least expect it.

I don't know if he will be on the playoff roster. He's gonna be the starting LF next year though

One of my friends just texted me that eskin is out at 610. That is great news. I don't EVER listen to that station, but that kind of news is something that would convince me to give that station another shot

word is too that WIP is going to take over WYSPs FM slot on the dial to try and compete with 97.5 as well.

The Juggler

---if this means jodi macdonald will be teamed with macnow again, this station just got a bit more listenable again. now they need to get rid of that utter nonsense in the mornings....
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Eskin out as afternoon anchor at WIP
Published: Monday, August 15, 2011

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Whether by choice or by shove, it appears legendary WIP sports talker Howard Eskin will soon be gone from the all-important 3-7 p.m. time slot.

Eskin, 57, revered by his fans as "King," will reportedly continue working with the station as a sideline reporter and consultant.

Multiple sources confirmed that Anthony Gargano, currently paired with Havertown’s Glen Macnow from 10-3, is expected to slide into Eskin’s spot. It was unclear Monday afternoon whether Macnow would be a part of the show or what would become of Eskin’s co-host, former Eagles linebacker Ike Reese.

Eskin was on air at the time of this report and Gargano could not be reached for comment. “I’ve got an announcement coming up which is important to me,” Eskin told his listeners at 4:40 p.m.

“It was time,” Eskin told listeners minutes ago. “I approached our program director Andy Bloom and we agreed on a new contract that would give me the freedom to pursue some of the national opportunities that I have been able to dabble in over the last couple years while still having a role here at WIP. So after Sept. 2nd I will be giving up the 3-7 p.m. shift but will still continue as part of WIP, as part of the Eagles broadcast, along with the pregame shows and other shows and projects.”

Eskin got choked up at the end of what sounded like a prepared statement.

“You have often heard me say, ‘I’ve never had a bad day in my life,’ and I mean it,” he said as his voice started to crack. “This really another great day in a terrific streak and I’m just starting a new chapter.”

Known for his fur coats, natty attire, enduring relationship with Sixers legend Charles Bakley and penchant for telling disagreeable callers to “beat it,” Eskin is one of WIP’s highest-paid and controversial employees.

Once the king of the afternoon drive, Eskin now plays second fiddle to Mike Missanelli at 97.5 The Fanatic, Philadelphia’s ESPN affiliate. Missaneli was fired from WIP in 2003.

Sources said ratings are the main reason for the Eskin move. His chummy relationship with the Eagles has also been a point of contention with some at the station.

Eskin’s contract runs through 2011.

It appears there will be no changes to the WIP Morning Show, which features Angelo Cataldi, Rhea Hughes, Al Morganti and Keith Jones. WIP’s highest-paid jock, Cataldi has three years remaining on his contract with an option for a fourth.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

None of us think he's a perfect player, and everyone agrees he's overpaid. (but not nearly as overpaid as AJ Burnett, Joe Blanton, Brad Lidge, Danys Baez, Alex Rodriguez...) But I just don't think it's the same team without him. And he is hitting over .300 with RISP. He's doing his job. What's his job? Get RBI's. That's just how it is dude, don't know what to tell ya.

Ugh. Here we go. :roll: I say the same thing every time this argument comes up, every 3 days or whatever it is.

I'm not getting into it again. I don't completely disagree.

:roll:

no you're clearly not getting into it again. :thumbdown:

Johnny Abruzzo

Couple days late, but I think the Werth booing is a little ridiculous.

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Couple days late, but I think the Werth booing is a little ridiculous.

so do I. i was down there friday. come on people we are 79-40 who cares about werth at this point. and he did help us win a title.

Hamels had a precautionary MRI on his shoulder. hopefully everything is ok. skip a start if need be charlie.

Cliffy6745

Maybe you guys are right about him signing before he becomes a FA, shoulders are scary. Even if it's nothing, I'm sure this will make him think twice about waiting it out

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Couple days late, but I think the Werth booing is a little ridiculous.

so do I. i was down there friday. come on people we are 79-40 who cares about werth at this point. and he did help us win a title.

Hamels had a precautionary MRI on his shoulder. hopefully everything is ok. skip a start if need be charlie.

I was there friday as well. there were a lot of cheesedick anti-werth signs too. morons.

also, glen macknow is a tool too. supposed to be sports radio, not food and movie radio.

jody mac is the man though. I used to listen to him all the time when 950 went on air (I remember him when he was on 660 up in NYC -- that is a real sports station).

The Fixer

Just saw Halladay at Bonefish Grill in Newtown Square. We were sitting at a high top table in the bar area. The guys sitting at the end of our table work there and said he's there all the time.

I had a plan to kidnap one of his sons, but the wife wouldn't let it happen. damn her

Johnny Abruzzo

Wish we could trade for Thome. Could use a DH.

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Couple days late, but I think the Werth booing is a little ridiculous.

so do I. i was down there friday. come on people we are 79-40 who cares about werth at this point. and he did help us win a title.

Hamels had a precautionary MRI on his shoulder. hopefully everything is ok. skip a start if need be charlie.

I was there friday as well. there were a lot of cheesedick anti-werth signs too. morons.

also, glen macknow is a tool too. supposed to be sports radio, not food and movie radio.

jody mac is the man though. I used to listen to him all the time when 950 went on air (I remember him when he was on 660 up in NYC -- that is a real sports station).

i like macnow though. the other stuff he talks about interests me. i don't mind that stuff sprinkled in from time to time. he had a craft brew contest this summer which was kidn of cool.

but jodi knows his shit more than anyone else on radio. him and macnow were great together back in the day.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Wish we could trade for Thome. Could use a DH.

will the twins try to move him now after these 2 bombs tonight?