***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Ibanez had a seriously lame RBI. Howard's were high quality. All 3 of em.

RBI are like mustaches. Cool and useful in the 80s, but outdated in today's world.

Whatever you say cult boy.

don't even know what that means

not that anyone in this thead cares, but signing day is midnight tomorrow. should be a lot of phils-related news coming in the next 36 hours

The Fixer

Phils signed dave bush. NOt sure why since he blows.

Rainout today, off tomorrow. Withdrawl setting in already.

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

Phils signed dave bush. NOt sure why since he blows.

Rainout today, off tomorrow. Withdrawl setting in already.

connestoga's own...


i played legion ball with this kid back in the mid 90's. he was a catcher back then.


these 2 days off come at a great time for this team.

The Fixer

word. keep em comin

The Phillies have signed their top draft pick, agreeing to terms with supplemental first-rounder Larry Greene, the 39th overall selection in the draft. According to an industry source, Greene received a $1 million bonus, the first reported seven-figure bonus outside the first round. The commissioner’s recommended slot for the 39th pick was $844,200.

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

word. keep em comin

The Phillies have signed their top draft pick, agreeing to terms with supplemental first-rounder Larry Greene, the 39th overall selection in the draft. According to an industry source, Greene received a $1 million bonus, the first reported seven-figure bonus outside the first round. The commissioner’s recommended slot for the 39th pick was $844,200.

Awesome! Keep the news coming.

Fuck the slots.

Wobbie

I will be rooting hard for your boys this week.

Go. Phils.

The Fixer

Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).


9. Domingo Santana, of Born: Aug. 5, 1992 • B-T: R-R • Ht: 6-5 • Wt: 200
Signed: Dominican Republic, 2008 • Signed by:
Background: The Phillies don't often give six-figure bonuses to international prospects, but they signed Santana for $330,000 in 2008. Born in the Bahamas and signed out of the Dominican Republic, he wasn't ready to handle low Class A pitching last year as a 17-year-old. His numbers picked up when he went to Williamsport in June, though his inexperience still showed.

Scouting Report: All the pieces are there for Santana to be the player Philadelphia hopes he can be—a power-hitter who plays above-average defense on an outfield corner. He's athletic and physically imposing. Fundamentally sound at the plate, he has a natural load and incredible raw power. He works the center of the field well and doesn't get pull-happy. He'll have to do a better job of recognizing pitches, as he struggles with hard stuff inside and breaking balls away. He has the plus speed and arm strength to be a quality right fielder, though he needs more game repetition to improve defensively.

The Future: When scouts fall in love with his upside and tools, Santana summons Vladimir Guerrero comparisons, but he's still very raw and a lot has to go right for him to reach his ceiling.

Ledbetterman10

The Fixer wrote:

Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).

Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.

Cliffy6745

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).

Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.

How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).

Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.

How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?

seriously. I'm not convinced the dude will hit in the majors, but he deserves a fair shot.

Also, isnt developing guys for your team and having guys to trade kinda the same thing?

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?

seriously. I'm not convinced the dude will hit in the majors, but he deserves a fair shot.

Also, isnt developing guys for your team and having guys to trade kinda the same thing?

WAY too early to call Brown a "bust".

Cliffy6745

Article in the Times yesterday, written by the guy that runs Baseball Reference about everyones favorite topic around here.

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Article in the Times yesterday, written by the guy that runs Baseball Reference about everyones favorite topic around here.

Link? I'm guessing the article says he sucks.

Ledbetterman10

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.

How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?

seriously. I'm not convinced the dude will hit in the majors, but he deserves a fair shot.

Also, isnt developing guys for your team and having guys to trade kinda the same thing?

Yeah it is but I'd imagine there are some GMs out there who may consider some prospects as their own pet project and would be hesitant to trade even if it was the right move. Like "Our scout found the guy, we've paid him and developed him, and he's gonna help OUR mlb team." But I guess those are the bad GMs.

As for Brown, yeah I may be jumping the gun on him when I said "he didn't pan out" cause it's a little early to tell. But let's just say that he didn't do much to discourage a trade for Pence over the past few months. Either way, he'll play some sort of role in this march toward the World Series. He'll get a key sac-fly or something when I least expect it.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Article in the Times yesterday, written by the guy that runs Baseball Reference about everyones favorite topic around here.

Link? I'm guessing the article says he sucks.

I was going to refrain but since you asked. Yeah, it pretty much says he sucks. Nothing ground breaking and I actually think there is a nugget in there for you that gives a pretty good argument against WAR.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/sport ... .html?_r=1

I did enjoy this stat though.

This is not just a recent phenomenon. Since 2006, Howard had 2,815 runners on base, well ahead of the runner-up, Mark Teixeira, with 2,689.

Johnny Abruzzo

None of us think he's a perfect player, and everyone agrees he's overpaid. (but not nearly as overpaid as AJ Burnett, Joe Blanton, Brad Lidge, Danys Baez, Alex Rodriguez...) But I just don't think it's the same team without him. And he is hitting over .300 with RISP. He's doing his job. What's his job? Get RBI's. That's just how it is dude, don't know what to tell ya.

Ugh. Here we go. :roll: I say the same thing every time this argument comes up, every 3 days or whatever it is.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

None of us think he's a perfect player, and everyone agrees he's overpaid. (but not nearly as overpaid as AJ Burnett, Joe Blanton, Brad Lidge, Danys Baez, Alex Rodriguez...) But I just don't think it's the same team without him. And he is hitting over .300 with RISP. He's doing his job. What's his job? Get RBI's. That's just how it is dude, don't know what to tell ya.

Ugh. Here we go. :roll: I say the same thing every time this argument comes up, every 3 days or whatever it is.

I'm not getting into it again. I don't completely disagree.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Article in the Times yesterday, written by the guy that runs Baseball Reference about everyones favorite topic around here.

Link? I'm guessing the article says he sucks.

I was going to refrain but since you asked. Yeah, it pretty much says he sucks. Nothing ground breaking and I actually think there is a nugget in there for you that gives a pretty good argument against WAR.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/sport ... .html?_r=1

I did enjoy this stat though.

This is not just a recent phenomenon. Since 2006, Howard had 2,815 runners on base, well ahead of the runner-up, Mark Teixeira, with 2,689.

actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.

Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games

AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).

journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....

Cliffy6745

pjhawks wrote:

actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.

Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games

AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).

journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....

It's 25 extra baserunners a year. Point is, he has had the most runners on base of any player over the past 5 years. Not really sure how you can dispute that.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.

Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games

AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).

journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....

It's 25 extra baserunners a year. Point is, he has had the most runners on base of any player over the past 5 years. Not really sure how you can dispute that.

did you even read what i posted? the point is that the difference in the number of baserunners is not a significantly statistical difference over 886 games AND even when ADJUSTSED to match number of games and output TEX does not match the numbers Ryan has put up. ryan 27% of runners vs. 24% of runners for Tex. and the only reason tex is used is because that is the only player the author chose to compare. thank you come again....