***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    Looks like Joseph, Schierholtz, and a pitching prospect.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,971
    Yep, it's done. I just hope we got more than one prospect that's a little less than a Valle-type guy.

    Fly ball relief pitcher. Yay.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,971
    Looks like Joseph, Schierholtz, and a pitching prospect.

    Anybody have the scouting reports? It said Giants "#2 prospect - catcher Tommy Joseph." #2 prospect sounds good...
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    Yep, it's done. I just hope we got more than one prospect that's a little less than a Valle-type guy.

    Fly ball relief pitcher. Yay.

    Yeah, Lindblom. Nah, I was talking about Joseph - the catching prospect - being a Sebastian Valle-type player. I was wondering why they are getting two of the same players. I guess it's better to have more than one to see who pans out and is starting come 2014. Kid's got a lot of pop for his age though.

    Figure the outfield will be something like Brown/Mayeberry/Schierholtz with another addition via free agency. I hope it's not Hamilton. Maybe going after Bourn?

    And then I figure they look to flip some of these prospects in the winter for Headley.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    And now I see relief prospect Seth Rosin. I don't know, they should have gotten more in the prospect area. I guess getting major league player to put on the roster isn't bad. I don't mind Schierholtz against righty's.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Really like both trades. Thank god pence is gone
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,971
    The Fixer wrote:
    Really like both trades. Thank god pence is gone

    Uh huh. I really was sick of watching him. He is a butcher in RF.
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    Really like both trades. Thank god pence is gone

    Uh huh. I really was sick of watching him. He is a butcher in RF.

    Phils cut their losses on him. The Pence for Singleton/Cosart/Santana deal could go down as one of worst in franchise history. Singleton could be a superstar. Singleton was available because of a certain albatross of a contract. That contract extension really was the start of this domino effect.

    I'm trying to be positive today. I do like both trades quite a bit. Hopefully dbag is stockpiling young arms to make a run at headley this offseason. Brown needs to play well over the next two months to regain his value...whether it be in a trade or as a contributing member of this team.

    I have always liked schierholtz. Solid role player...great defender
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    It is going to be hilarious watching pence track fly balls in SF...huge OF, lot of wind. that's pretty awesome.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    keith law analysis...


    The Philadelphia Phillies made two notable trades early Tuesday afternoon, sending Shane Victorino to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Ethan Martin and Josh Lindblom, and Hunter Pence to the San Francisco Giants for Tommy Joseph, Nate Schierholtz and Seth Rosin.



    Victorino helps the Dodgers primarily because of who he's replacing, as LA's left fielders have hit a whopping .259/.329/.348 this season, while the replacements for Andre Ethier when he was on the DL were even worse. But Victorino isn't the player he was a year or two ago, as his bat speed has started to slow and his range in center has begun to slip. He could be worth an extra win to the Dodgers given how little they've gotten from left field this year.

    The return for the Phillies is surprisingly good, given his down year and impending free agency. Martin is an upside play, a 2008 first-round pick who has bounced back from two disappointing years where his command and velocity weren't where they were expected to be. The right-hander is 93-97 again and flashes a plus curveball, which could be a very strong combo in a relief role; to start, he'll need to improve his fringy changeup and throw a lot more strikes, although his 12 percent walk rate this year is actually the best of his career and the 23-year-old is striking out almost a man per inning at Double-A Chattanooga. He's a good athlete who had some potential as a third baseman with power in high school.



    Lindblom has an above-average fastball but no out pitch; his best weapon is an 82-85 mph slider that isn't really sharp enough to consistently get under hitters' bats, and he should probably junk his slow curveball entirely. He could end up a capable middle reliever but his value is primarily in his low cost.



    Pence is a marginal upgrade for the Giants over Gregor Blanco, adding more offense but at some cost on defense; AT&T Park also isn't the ideal spot for a hitter like Pence, whose power is above-average but not the kind of huge power that will play even in a large stadium. He'll earn somewhere around $13-14 million in 2013 through arbitration. What boggles the mind is why the Giants allowed Carlos Beltran, a better if more injury-prone player who they gave up a top prospect for a year ago, to walk away last offseason only to have to trade for a replacement midyear. Did they not realize how lacking their offense would be?



    Joseph is an offensive catcher with arm strength whose receiving, while improved from his high school days, still needs work and could still lead to him moving off the position or ending up a backup. Joseph has above-average raw power right now with average bat speed but good rotation to with his strong upper body; his plate discipline is adequate, and his performance this year partly reflects his youth relative to his competition. (He has a .705 OPS for Double-A Richmond and turned 21 a few weeks ago.) If his receiving continues to improve, he could end up a valuable everyday catcher because of his bat, but right now it's probably worse than even money that he can do so.



    Schierholtz is a platoon outfielder who's capable in either corner and can hit right-handers well enough to be part of a solution with the proper platoon partner. Rosin is a big, right-handed strike-thrower who has seen his velocity spike this summer after he returned to the rotation for high Class A San Jose. His fastball is bumping 95 mph and could end up a back-end starter if that holds. It's a very good return for Pence, not close to what the Phillies gave up last summer, but excellent considering Pence's potential cost next year.



    Trading two outfielders, even with one coming back, has to open a spot in Philly for the team to give Domonic Brown another chance in the big leagues, although his performance in Triple-A this year has been disappointing. He still has the physical ability to be at least an above-average regular, but frequent mechanical issues with his swing -- along with the team's tinkering -- and poor instincts in the field have held him back. The Phils are in a rare situation for them where they can guarantee him at-bats through the end of the season without having to worry about the standings, which is the right thing to do for him and for the team.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,971
    Blanton could easily be traded in August - he'd definitely clear waivers. Not worried about him being traded today. Except that he's been pitching well so it'd be better to unload him before he starts sucking again.
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  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The CSN Pence interview is up now. You can see it in his face he was shocked.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Blanton could easily be traded in August - he'd definitely clear waivers. Not worried about him being traded today. Except that he's been pitching well so it'd be better to unload him before he starts sucking again.

    I don't know about that. Someone like texas could need another arm (esp since they were dumb enough to count on oswalt's washed up scrub ass). Then you have to factor in other teams putting in claims to block their competition from improving...could be more of this stuff with the 2 WCs.

    I think pierre and polanco would easily clear waivers, but I'm hoping they move blanton today
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,971
    The Fixer wrote:
    (esp since they were dumb enough to count on oswalt's washed up scrub ass)

    :lol::lol::lol:
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    so, labor day was announced?

    sounds like PJ on Sunday and Springsteen on Monday for this guy
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    The Fixer wrote:
    so, labor day was announced?

    sounds like PJ on Sunday and Springsteen on Monday for this guy

    Same here. And Cornell's playing Sunday too. Hopefully the Temple reunion lasts only one song...
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    so, labor day was announced?

    sounds like PJ on Sunday and Springsteen on Monday for this guy

    Same here. And Cornell's playing Sunday too. Hopefully the Temple reunion lasts only one song...

    oh christ, ya gotta be kidding me

    just checked stubhub for sunday tix...only $55 :thumbup:

    This is shaping up to one of those low expectation concerts where I get blackout drunk because I don't really care about the show. Especially since I'm not expecting to be able to see the stage.

    are those vip seats still out there anywhere?
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    so, labor day was announced?

    sounds like PJ on Sunday and Springsteen on Monday for this guy

    Same here. And Cornell's playing Sunday too. Hopefully the Temple reunion lasts only one song...

    oh christ, ya gotta be kidding me

    just checked stubhub for sunday tix...only $55 :thumbup:

    This is shaping up to one of those low expectation concerts where I get blackout drunk because I don't really care about the show. Especially since I'm not expecting to be able to see the stage.

    are those vip seats still out there anywhere?

    Yeah, they're still there. But you should be able to see the stage. I plan on making this the only show - other than Lolla - where I go early, drink overpriced beers and park my ass as close to the stage as possible. I'll sit through Drake if I have to. Well, that actually might be crazy talk. As long as I'm fringe of the grass close to the railing to the seats in Camden-close then I'm good.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,971
    I see the talk moved on from the trades already. :lol:

    I found some quotes from the "acquiring Pence" trade last year. We are all idiots. I threw in the last one just for fun. ;)
    I can live with this. Not bad.
    I can live with this. Not bad.
    That's what I was thinking.
    Amazing deal,keeping Brown and Worley and only giving up 2 top prospects. :clap::clap::clap:
    The Fixer wrote:
    even I can't complain about this :D
    is it being greedy and unreasonable if I still want them to trade for a couple of bullpen arms?
    what a fucking day. time for a beer. wish I had a cigar
    The Fixer wrote:
    My head is about to explode. I go shopping for baby furniture and shit explodes. My phone was going crazy while we were looking at cribs. I couldn't stop texting. My wife took my phone from me like I was 10 years old :D
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  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    I see the talk moved on from the trades already. :lol:

    I found some quotes from the "acquiring Pence" trade last year. We are all idiots. I threw in the last one just for fun. ;)
    I can live with this. Not bad.
    I can live with this. Not bad.
    That's what I was thinking.
    Amazing deal,keeping Brown and Worley and only giving up 2 top prospects. :clap::clap::clap:
    The Fixer wrote:
    even I can't complain about this :D
    is it being greedy and unreasonable if I still want them to trade for a couple of bullpen arms?
    what a fucking day. time for a beer. wish I had a cigar
    The Fixer wrote:
    My head is about to explode. I go shopping for baby furniture and shit explodes. My phone was going crazy while we were looking at cribs. I couldn't stop texting. My wife took my phone from me like I was 10 years old :D
    What a difference a year makes.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    :corn:
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 42,450
    Medical records for Blanton sent to Baltimore. So it looks like that's happening...

    :|

    Who else is moving? Shane? Hunter? We all know Cliff is staying

    8-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCQ7VLoY7bQ :P
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    We're not out of this yet....
  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    We're not out of this yet....
    World Series or bust!!!! :corn:
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    ....jokes. These are jokes.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    only one AB, but brown's swing looked a lot shorter and more compact tonight than it was last year. hopefully it stays that way

    I was happy with the pence trade because they didn't have to give up brown, may, or colvin...all prospects whose respective stocks have nosedived. And the fact that they had him under team control for 2.5 years after acquiring him. I also had no idea that pence was so overrated.

    Hopefully they can still move pierre, blanton, and polanco.

    Also, am I the only one hoping the nats take a complete shit during these last two months? I don't like that team. Harper and Davey Johnson both really bother me with all their talking. Rizzo too. I hope atlanta passes them and they miss playoffs
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 42,450
    The Fixer wrote:
    only one AB, but brown's swing looked a lot shorter and more compact tonight than it was last year. hopefully it stays that way

    Anyone see his catch from an Iron Pigs game a few days ago? It was pretty awesome! I think it was like #2 on ESPN's top 10 plays of the day

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gicDqZlGYfw
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,288
    The Fixer wrote:
    only one AB, but brown's swing looked a lot shorter and more compact tonight than it was last year. hopefully it stays that way

    I was happy with the pence trade because they didn't have to give up brown, may, or colvin...all prospects whose respective stocks have nosedived. And the fact that they had him under team control for 2.5 years after acquiring him. I also had no idea that pence was so overrated.

    Hopefully they can still move pierre, blanton, and polanco.

    Also, am I the only one hoping the nats take a complete shit during these last two months? I don't like that team. Harper and Davey Johnson both really bother me with all their talking. Rizzo too. I hope atlanta passes them and they miss playoffs

    Agree on everything. Definitely like the way Brown comes to the plate. I just hope that's by his own choice and not someone else's, and that he's comfotable with it. He doesn't have the bat all the way above his head. Now he'll be able to get to inside pitches. And looks like he's got plenty of bat speed as he just tipped that inside-97 mph fastball that I'm sure would have went upper deck if he got a nice hold of it.

    "•At one point the Phillies considered trading Hunter Pence, obtaining a center fielder, and re-signing Shane Victorino for right field, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter). Instead, the Dodgers acquired Victorino, and the Giants traded for Pence."

    Yeah, seems like they'll definitely make a move for Bourn in the winter.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,971
    The Fixer wrote:
    only one AB, but brown's swing looked a lot shorter and more compact tonight than it was last year. hopefully it stays that way

    Anyone see his catch from an Iron Pigs game a few days ago? It was pretty awesome! I think it was like #2 on ESPN's top 10 plays of the day

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gicDqZlGYfw

    Nice. Is he gonna play LF? He looked so awkward in RF last year.

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