***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Juggler

so are we going to have petrocs change this to the 2011 phils thread? dude hasn't posted in the thread since last year

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Oh no doubt dude. I just like thinking about what it would take to get a player like that. Would you do Felix straight up? I would, not many others though. Never going to happen, just like talking these scenarios.

honestly. Assuming for 2011 I wouldn't. Unless there was some guarantee that the phils were somehow going to find another way to be competent offensively. the phils would have to get some kind of a bat in return.

been trying to think of a scenario where I would trade utley. how about cano for utley?

I hear you on the offense thing. I was more thinking player for player and not how it fits into the team.

Honestly, as a Yankees fan I wouldn't do Cano for Utley. Cano is yonger, cheaper and has more years ahead of him. You know Utley is one of my favorite players in baseball but I think Cano has better years ahead of him.

If I were the yanks I wouldn't make that trade either. especially after the years each of those players had in 2010.

utley always has an enormous chip on his shoulder. I fully expect him to return to form next year.

Wobbie

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Alive, I'm assuming you hit the parade?

thought about it but no. I live in salt lake. glad I didn't go....talked to some friends who were there....they said it was a clusterfuck of the highest order :? . gonna head over to the giants thread...see if someone, anyone is still interested :roll: .

Jearlpam0925

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Alive, I'm assuming you hit the parade?

thought about it but no. I live in salt lake. glad I didn't go....talked to some friends who were there....they said it was a clusterfuck of the highest order :? . gonna head over to the giants thread...see if someone, anyone is still interested :roll: .

Cooooome on, man. Your squad wins its first title in their history(that's how I look at it - two separate teams when you play in two separate cities) and you don't make it there? No matter the clusterfuck, I gotta say you have to be there, especially with the supposed heartache this team has caused you in the past. Gotta make it happen. I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Then again I think I could go without cheering Huff pulling a thong out of his pants.

Jearlpam0925

Sooooo Moises Alou is Moyer's manager in the DR. Now that is a testament to longevity.

pjhawks

Moyer done with elbow injury in Dominican Republic. Call it quits old man - you and Paterno need to learn to stop hanging on. Can't believe he actually went down there to begin with.

Johnny Abruzzo

pjhawks wrote:

Moyer done with elbow injury in Dominican Republic. Call it quits old man - you and Paterno need to learn to stop hanging on. Can't believe he actually went down there to begin with.

I guess he'd do anything to get away from his 7 kids or however many it is now.

Maybe he's trying to get 300 W's? That would be a serious challenge to the surefire HOF credential.

FenwayFaithful

Looks like the Red Sox are gonna make the push for your boy Werth.

Jearlpam0925

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Looks like the Red Sox are gonna make the push for your boy Werth.

If the contract of 5 yr/90 mil is what it's going to be, I could see the Phils matching that. Even so, if he does leave, it's really no sweat off my scrote. All the pink hats will be in full-force for sure. Your new Damon, if you will.

The Juggler

juan samuel as 3rd base coach next year?

if we can't get bowa, i'm down with this...

Jearlpam0925

The Jeagler wrote:

juan samuel as 3rd base coach next year?

if we can't get bowa, i'm down with this...

Where are you hearing this? I thought he was going to stay in Baltimore. Also, I guess they'd move Perlozzo to first? I think Samuel would be better at first since he could help with the base-running - maybe, I guess.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

juan samuel as 3rd base coach next year?

if we can't get bowa, i'm down with this...

Where are you hearing this? I thought he was going to stay in Baltimore. Also, I guess they'd move Perlozzo to first? I think Samuel would be better at first since he could help with the base-running - maybe, I guess.

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/11/we ... amuel.html

edit-1st base coach

Jearlpam0925

Also, and I'm just thinking out loud here, but Seattle declined Jose Lopez's option. I think he'd be a swell fit here. Phils might not resign Valdez since he sucks offensively. And with injuries to Utley, Rollins, and Polanco they want to bring a guy on the bench that not only fills in defensively but also fills the void with the bat. Probably could get this guy to roam the corner outfield positions as well. Just a thought, but I think that'd be a reasonable buy(and with two years left on Polanco's contract, and Lopez being relatively young, you could give him a moderate contract in length to maybe fill in for Polly once he's gone as well), especially since apparently he has connections within the organization and was in trade rumors back in July.

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

juan samuel as 3rd base coach next year?

if we can't get bowa, i'm down with this...

Where are you hearing this? I thought he was going to stay in Baltimore. Also, I guess they'd move Perlozzo to first? I think Samuel would be better at first since he could help with the base-running - maybe, I guess.

I saw samuel is going back to baltimore too. phils are expected to sign a minority to fill the position. gotta fill those quotas. what a fucking joke

The Fixer

ryne sandberg expected to be announced as LHV manager. that's pretty cool. wish they'd announce him as the phillies manager

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Also, and I'm just thinking out loud here, but Seattle declined Jose Lopez's option. I think he'd be a swell fit here. Phils might not resign Valdez since he sucks offensively. And with injuries to Utley, Rollins, and Polanco they want to bring a guy on the bench that not only fills in defensively but also fills the void with the bat. Probably could get this guy to roam the corner outfield positions as well. Just a thought, but I think that'd be a reasonable buy(and with two years left on Polanco's contract, and Lopez being relatively young, you could give him a moderate contract in length to maybe fill in for Polly once he's gone as well), especially since apparently he has connections within the organization and was in trade rumors back in July.

I'd take him. I know he can play 3B and 2B, not sure about SS though. If he can't play SS I don't know that he's a good fit.

I'm all for valdez being shown the door. Had a good year, but he's not that good. He hit into something like 22 double plays last year. that is absurd for a guy that only played half of the year. I guess that's what happens when you can't hit the ball out of the infield

Jearlpam0925

The Fixer wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Also, and I'm just thinking out loud here, but Seattle declined Jose Lopez's option. I think he'd be a swell fit here. Phils might not resign Valdez since he sucks offensively. And with injuries to Utley, Rollins, and Polanco they want to bring a guy on the bench that not only fills in defensively but also fills the void with the bat. Probably could get this guy to roam the corner outfield positions as well. Just a thought, but I think that'd be a reasonable buy(and with two years left on Polanco's contract, and Lopez being relatively young, you could give him a moderate contract in length to maybe fill in for Polly once he's gone as well), especially since apparently he has connections within the organization and was in trade rumors back in July.

I'd take him. I know he can play 3B and 2B, not sure about SS though. If he can't play SS I don't know that he's a good fit.

I'm all for valdez being shown the door. Had a good year, but he's not that good. He hit into something like 22 double plays last year. that is absurd for a guy that only played half of the year. I guess that's what happens when you can't hit the ball out of the infield

Yeah, apparently he played all three positions in the minors. Go with like a 3 yr/9-12 mil could work.

Like the Sandberg signing. If only they kept him as a player. Between Ryne and Dom going to be there, I might have to hit up that park.

I'm seeing the Samuel reports now. Looks like it could be happening.

Wonder if Chan Ho would come back as well. He's probably looking at a pay of 1 yr/1 mil anyway. Pen of Baez(sad but true, he's here, so ya gotta deal with it), Park, Bastardo, resign Contreras, Lefty arm - Maybe Downs? Ohman?, Madson, Lidge seems decent.

The Fixer

no way I would give lopez 3 years. 2 max, preferrably 1.

I wouldn't rush to bring park back either. plenty of better options out there. Contreras on another 1 year deal would be cool.

I don't think baez was that bad down the stretch. He should be have been on the playoff roster over kendrick. hopefully he can contribute this year.

Jearlpam0925

The Fixer wrote:

no way I would give lopez 3 years. 2 max, preferrably 1.

I wouldn't rush to bring park back either. plenty of better options out there. Contreras on another 1 year deal would be cool.

I don't think baez was that bad down the stretch. He should be have been on the playoff roster over kendrick. hopefully he can contribute this year.

Yeah, I really have no problem with Baez, he just had a bad year. He has good stuff when he's got it together.

More like option years or something on Lopez. I'm just saying there's no way they resign Polanco when his deal's up, and I think it would be an economical/effective way of suring up the position past 2012.

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

no way I would give lopez 3 years. 2 max, preferrably 1.

I wouldn't rush to bring park back either. plenty of better options out there. Contreras on another 1 year deal would be cool.

I don't think baez was that bad down the stretch. He should be have been on the playoff roster over kendrick. hopefully he can contribute this year.

Yeah, I really have no problem with Baez, he just had a bad year. He has good stuff when he's got it together.

More like option years or something on Lopez. I'm just saying there's no way they resign Polanco when his deal's up, and I think it would be an economical/effective way of suring up the position past 2012.

polanco has 2 more years on his deal. another amaro overpay special

nothing usually happens in the free agent market until after thanksgiving. pretty sure the deadline to offer arbitration to free agents is right around then. that's when the whores come out