Flat out if the Phils don't end up getting Halladay it will be the worst move in Philly sports history in my opinion. He would instantly be the 2nd greatest starting pitcher in franchise history behind Steve Carlton.
I disagree with this. First off, you know there have been worst moves in Philly sports history. Second, signing him wouldn't automatically make him the second best starting pitcher in franchise history behind Carlton. He would have to actually do something for the Phllies first. I'm not taking away from how great he's been over the past 10 years, but he'd have to repeat all that greatness as well as help win the World Series to jump that high on the Phillies all-time roster in my view.
That being said, I totally see where you're coming from and I also hope they get Halladay because he's awesome. But I really think they can repeat as World Champions without him. Sure it will be tough...but it's always tough. Even with the injuries, I think the pitching staff is formidable for the National League and the Phillies offense is good enough to pick up the slack when it has to. My buddy is a big follower of this Halladay situation and he said to me the other day, "How are we gonna beat the Dodgers in the playoffs without Halladay?" To which I replied, "The same way we beat 'em last year."
That being said, I totally see where you're coming from and I also hope they get Halladay because he's awesome. But I really think they can repeat as World Champions without him. Sure it will be tough...but it's always tough. Even with the injuries, I think the pitching staff is formidable for the National League and the Phillies offense is good enough to pick up the slack when it has to. My buddy is a big follower of this Halladay situation and he said to me the other day, "How are we gonna beat the Dodgers in the playoffs without Halladay?" To which I replied, "The same way we beat 'em last year."[/quote]
but to win the world series we will probably have to beat the Red Sox or Yankees and not just the Dodgers. Getting Halladay instantly makes this team the favorite by far in the NL and probably the overall favorite to win it again. I don't see the Dodgers having any shot against the Phils with Halladay and Hamels at the top fo the rotation. The only downside is if Halladay comes here and sucks or gets hurt. very little chance he is going to suck. Also it would be shocking if Drabek or Happ comes close to matching Halladay's career. Getting Halladay gives the Phils a chance to be a dynasty of the mid-90s Yankees variety. without him they can still win but their chances are greatly greatly increased with him.
also think about this - if another team, like the Mets, had a chance to give up one good major league pitcher and 2 prospects for the best pitcher in baseball wouldn't you feel they got him for nothing? Because they are our prospects doesn't make them any more valuable. This is not Joe Blanton we are trading for (not disrespect to Joe Blanton who has been great), this guy is widely acclaimed as the best pitcher in baseball.
and please tell me what moves you think have been worse in Philly sports than not trading for the best pitcher in baseball for only one good but not great major leaguer and 2 minor leaguers?
and please tell me what moves you think have been worse in Philly sports than not trading for the best pitcher in baseball for only one good but not great major leaguer and 2 minor leaguers?
Here are two moves on the same day 6/16/86 that destroyed the 76ers franchise:
Sixers trade C Moses Malone, F Terry Catledge and two 1st-round picks to Washington for G Cliff Robinson and C Jeff Ruland
Sixers trade 1st-round pick and 1st pick overall (C Brad Daugherty) to Cleveland for F Roy Hinson
and please tell me what moves you think have been worse in Philly sports than not trading for the best pitcher in baseball for only one good but not great major leaguer and 2 minor leaguers?
Here are two moves on the same day 6/16/86 that destroyed the 76ers franchise:
Sixers trade C Moses Malone, F Terry Catledge and two 1st-round picks to Washington for G Cliff Robinson and C Jeff Ruland
Sixers trade 1st-round pick and 1st pick overall (C Brad Daugherty) to Cleveland for F Roy Hinson
yes horrible trade for sure but Moses was never again close to be a dominant force and Brad Daughterty was a very good player but not a hall of famer or anything. Not getting Halladay will outweigh these.
and please tell me what moves you think have been worse in Philly sports than not trading for the best pitcher in baseball for only one good but not great major leaguer and 2 minor leaguers?
Here are two moves on the same day 6/16/86 that destroyed the 76ers franchise:
Sixers trade C Moses Malone, F Terry Catledge and two 1st-round picks to Washington for G Cliff Robinson and C Jeff Ruland
Sixers trade 1st-round pick and 1st pick overall (C Brad Daugherty) to Cleveland for F Roy Hinson
yes horrible trade for sure but Moses was never again close to be a dominant force and Brad Daughterty was a very good player but not a hall of famer or anything. Not getting Halladay will outweigh these.
Moses and Daugherty made 8 All Star games after the trade. Halladay will not make 8 All Star games with the Phils if he gets traded.
Not getting Halladay will not doom the Phils as they will make the playoffs this year. Trading away a perennial all star and future hall of famer, the number 1 pick in the draft who would become a perennial all star, and 2 additional first round picks decimated the franchise.
and the guy beaten to death outsdie the park in the other story quoted?
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It was a fucking bar fight. I would guess people have died because of bar fights before. But because it happen near the ball park it's a Philly thing. I'm so sick of people jumping on philly fans, it's funny how something happens some where else but it isn't a big story but if it happens in philly omg them horrible fans. There's people on this board that buy shit just to make a profit later does that make ALL PJ fans assholes??? I think not!!!
I think a move for Halladay is a no-brainer if your the phillies....Sure these young guys they are giving up are definate talents , but noone knows how " good" they really are until they pitch against big leaguers.....Jimmy Gobble was 11-1 in AA , and where is he now? buried somewhere in the bullpen? ALWAYS GO FOR THE PROVEN GUY !!!!!!
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and the guy beaten to death outsdie the park in the other story quoted?
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It was a fucking bar fight. I would guess people have died because of bar fights before. But because it happen near the ball park it's a Philly thing. I'm so sick of people jumping on philly fans, it's funny how something happens some where else but it isn't a big story but if it happens in philly omg them horrible fans. There's people on this board that buy shit just to make a profit later does that make ALL PJ fans assholes??? I think not!!!
I've bumped into plenty of ASSHOLES at PJ shows and i don't lump them all together
Although...the more I read this board and all the whining on the other section my mind may change
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I think a move for Halladay is a no-brainer if your the phillies....Sure these young guys they are giving up are definate talents , but noone knows how " good" they really are until they pitch against big leaguers.....Jimmy Gobble was 11-1 in AA , and where is he now? buried somewhere in the bullpen? ALWAYS GO FOR THE PROVEN GUY !!!!!!
JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION :?
On Sunday Night I watched Sports Final and they showed all the "Cant Miss Pitching Prospects" over the years the Phillies have had..What a pile of Garbage
I don't think one of them for their career had an ERA under 5.00
My drinking team has a hockey problem
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
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I think a move for Halladay is a no-brainer if your the phillies....Sure these young guys they are giving up are definate talents , but noone knows how " good" they really are until they pitch against big leaguers.....Jimmy Gobble was 11-1 in AA , and where is he now? buried somewhere in the bullpen? ALWAYS GO FOR THE PROVEN GUY !!!!!!
JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION :?
On Sunday Night I watched Sports Final and they showed all the "Cant Miss Pitching Prospects" over the years the Phillies have had..What a pile of Garbage
I don't think one of them for their career had an ERA under 5.00
remember ommar daal ? marlon byrd ? travis lee ? All " good " young talent? i rest my case
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don't forget Pat Combs, Tonly Longmire, Wes Chamberlin - heck even Gavin Floyd who is good with the White sox but he isn't anywhere close to Roy Halladay's level. Make the darn trade Ruben!
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reat article today by Gonzo (wow never thought I'd say that ) about what the real focus of the incident outside the ballpark should be: (not trying to start a discussion, just thought some might enjoy the article) http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/hom ... _fans.html
saw this article this morning - good read. Not a big fan of Gonzo either but this was pretty good.
Lee is a very solid pick up if it's true who will gladly welcome the Phils run support. He's gotten next to nothing in Cleveland this year.
Exactly. I LOVE it if it happens, but I just don't like 4 lefty's in my rotation. And if Roy Halladay is a Red Sock, not only am I calling Shenanigan's but there is no God. Ricciardi is getting fired at the end of the year, and he's a Mass. native. Trade within your division to improve your team without holding a king's ransom? Now THAT is fucking wrong.
Lee is a very solid pick up if it's true who will gladly welcome the Phils run support. He's gotten next to nothing in Cleveland this year.
Exactly. I LOVE it if it happens, but I just don't like 4 lefty's in my rotation. And if Roy Halladay is a Red Sock, not only am I calling Shenanigan's but there is no God. Ricciardi is getting fired at the end of the year, and he's a Mass. native. Trade within your division to improve your team without holding a king's ransom? Now THAT is fucking wrong.
I have a feeling Happ will be involved in any deal, because the Phils didn't just sign Pedro to go to middle relief and you're not moving Hamels, Blanton, or Moyer to the bullpen either.
Lee is a very solid pick up if it's true who will gladly welcome the Phils run support. He's gotten next to nothing in Cleveland this year.
Exactly. I LOVE it if it happens, but I just don't like 4 lefty's in my rotation. And if Roy Halladay is a Red Sock, not only am I calling Shenanigan's but there is no God. Ricciardi is getting fired at the end of the year, and he's a Mass. native. Trade within your division to improve your team without holding a king's ransom? Now THAT is fucking wrong.
I have a feeling Happ will be involved in any deal, because the Phils didn't just sign Pedro to go to middle relief and you're not moving Hamels, Blanton, or Moyer to the bullpen either.
That's a good way to look at it. Hopefully. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Lee, but I would cum in my pants if we got Doc.
Exactly. I LOVE it if it happens, but I just don't like 4 lefty's in my rotation. And if Roy Halladay is a Red Sock, not only am I calling Shenanigan's but there is no God. Ricciardi is getting fired at the end of the year, and he's a Mass. native. Trade within your division to improve your team without holding a king's ransom? Now THAT is fucking wrong.
I have a feeling Happ will be involved in any deal, because the Phils didn't just sign Pedro to go to middle relief and you're not moving Hamels, Blanton, or Moyer to the bullpen either.
That's a good way to look at it. Hopefully. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Lee, but I would cum in my pants if we got Doc.
I don't think Doc is going anywhere. But if he does go to Boston, Boston is giving up their top pitching prospect whereupon the Phils wouldn't. But as far as I know Boston hasn't made any official offers to get Halladay - they're just having discussions. And if the Phils pull out for Halladay and get Lee, Boston may be the only team left in the room to talk to Toronto because the Rangers can't afford any more payroll, the Dodgers and Yanks don't have enough, and the other teams who were pursuing Halladay have pulled out.
I have a feeling Happ will be involved in any deal, because the Phils didn't just sign Pedro to go to middle relief and you're not moving Hamels, Blanton, or Moyer to the bullpen either.
That's a good way to look at it. Hopefully. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Lee, but I would cum in my pants if we got Doc.
I don't think Doc is going anywhere. But if he does go to Boston, Boston is giving up their top pitching prospect whereupon the Phils wouldn't. But as far as I know Boston hasn't made any official offers to get Halladay - they're just having discussions. And if the Phils pull out for Halladay and get Lee, Boston may be the only team left in the room to talk to Toronto because the Rangers can't afford any more payroll, the Dodgers and Yanks don't have enough, and the other teams who were pursuing Halladay have pulled out.
That's why I don't know why they don't try and see if they can squeeze TO up until the deadline since his max value is at 3:59 pm. If Doc doesn't go anywhere, then I'm even happier about the Lee move.
That's why I don't know why they don't try and see if they can squeeze TO up until the deadline since his max value is at 3:59 pm. If Doc doesn't go anywhere, then I'm even happier about the Lee move.
I don't think Amaro wanted to come back empty handed because Toronto wasn't going to make the deal without Drabek. It will be interesting if Happ gets scratched from his start tonight.
I just read a report from Boston and the actual offer to Toronto by Boston is:
Buchholz (24 ML SP)
choice of Bowden (22 AAA SP), Masterson (24 ML SP/RP) or Lars Andersen (21 AA 1B/LF)
and two to three lesser products
The only reason I think that Sox offer is as competitive in Toronto's eyes is that Happ is already 26 with 2 years of service time in the majors after this season meaning they would control him for only 4 more years. Whereupon every other prospect in the trade would still be under team control for 6 years except for Masterson who would be under team control for 5 years before becoming a free agent. And that even if Drabek was in the deal he is probably still a year away from the majors whereupon the starters Boston are offering are either in the majors or have pitched in the majors already.
i just flat out don't understand not trading a minor league pitcher with one elbow surgery already for the best pitcher in baseball. just makes absolutely no sense to me (ghost of Ed Wade). If it is Cliff Lee then Amaro damn well better hope he pitches great for this team.
i just flat out don't understand not trading a minor league pitcher with one elbow surgery already for the best pitcher in baseball. just makes absolutely no sense to me (ghost of Ed Wade). If it is Cliff Lee then Amaro damn well better hope he pitches great for this team.
Lee has had two good seasons and is a lot cheaper salary wise than Halladay.
The negatives for me is he's another lefty and is a fly ball pitcher for his career, but has done better at that the last two years.
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I disagree with this. First off, you know there have been worst moves in Philly sports history. Second, signing him wouldn't automatically make him the second best starting pitcher in franchise history behind Carlton. He would have to actually do something for the Phllies first. I'm not taking away from how great he's been over the past 10 years, but he'd have to repeat all that greatness as well as help win the World Series to jump that high on the Phillies all-time roster in my view.
That being said, I totally see where you're coming from and I also hope they get Halladay because he's awesome. But I really think they can repeat as World Champions without him. Sure it will be tough...but it's always tough. Even with the injuries, I think the pitching staff is formidable for the National League and the Phillies offense is good enough to pick up the slack when it has to. My buddy is a big follower of this Halladay situation and he said to me the other day, "How are we gonna beat the Dodgers in the playoffs without Halladay?" To which I replied, "The same way we beat 'em last year."
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but to win the world series we will probably have to beat the Red Sox or Yankees and not just the Dodgers. Getting Halladay instantly makes this team the favorite by far in the NL and probably the overall favorite to win it again. I don't see the Dodgers having any shot against the Phils with Halladay and Hamels at the top fo the rotation. The only downside is if Halladay comes here and sucks or gets hurt. very little chance he is going to suck. Also it would be shocking if Drabek or Happ comes close to matching Halladay's career. Getting Halladay gives the Phils a chance to be a dynasty of the mid-90s Yankees variety. without him they can still win but their chances are greatly greatly increased with him.
also think about this - if another team, like the Mets, had a chance to give up one good major league pitcher and 2 prospects for the best pitcher in baseball wouldn't you feel they got him for nothing? Because they are our prospects doesn't make them any more valuable. This is not Joe Blanton we are trading for (not disrespect to Joe Blanton who has been great), this guy is widely acclaimed as the best pitcher in baseball.
and please tell me what moves you think have been worse in Philly sports than not trading for the best pitcher in baseball for only one good but not great major leaguer and 2 minor leaguers?
Here are two moves on the same day 6/16/86 that destroyed the 76ers franchise:
Sixers trade C Moses Malone, F Terry Catledge and two 1st-round picks to Washington for G Cliff Robinson and C Jeff Ruland
Sixers trade 1st-round pick and 1st pick overall (C Brad Daugherty) to Cleveland for F Roy Hinson
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
yes horrible trade for sure but Moses was never again close to be a dominant force and Brad Daughterty was a very good player but not a hall of famer or anything. Not getting Halladay will outweigh these.
Moses and Daugherty made 8 All Star games after the trade. Halladay will not make 8 All Star games with the Phils if he gets traded.
Not getting Halladay will not doom the Phils as they will make the playoffs this year. Trading away a perennial all star and future hall of famer, the number 1 pick in the draft who would become a perennial all star, and 2 additional first round picks decimated the franchise.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
stay classy philadelphia!
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and the guy beaten to death outsdie the park in the other story quoted?
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Come on dude
This stuff doesnt happen in every major fuckin city ?!?!?!?
I've seen laser pointers at other games in other cities ever since they became popular
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I've bumped into plenty of ASSHOLES at PJ shows and i don't lump them all together
Although...the more I read this board and all the whining on the other section my mind may change
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On Sunday Night I watched Sports Final and they showed all the "Cant Miss Pitching Prospects" over the years the Phillies have had..What a pile of Garbage
I don't think one of them for their career had an ERA under 5.00
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
The Phils have the sickest lineup in baseball! A pitcher can win 15gms with a 4.50 era
but nah, it would be huge if they landed either of these aces... almost certain the Phightin's would play in another World Series
remember ommar daal ? marlon byrd ? travis lee ? All " good " young talent? i rest my case
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Lee is a very solid pick up if it's true who will gladly welcome the Phils run support. He's gotten next to nothing in Cleveland this year.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Exactly. I LOVE it if it happens, but I just don't like 4 lefty's in my rotation. And if Roy Halladay is a Red Sock, not only am I calling Shenanigan's but there is no God. Ricciardi is getting fired at the end of the year, and he's a Mass. native. Trade within your division to improve your team without holding a king's ransom? Now THAT is fucking wrong.
I have a feeling Happ will be involved in any deal, because the Phils didn't just sign Pedro to go to middle relief and you're not moving Hamels, Blanton, or Moyer to the bullpen either.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
That's a good way to look at it. Hopefully. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Lee, but I would cum in my pants if we got Doc.
I don't think Doc is going anywhere. But if he does go to Boston, Boston is giving up their top pitching prospect whereupon the Phils wouldn't. But as far as I know Boston hasn't made any official offers to get Halladay - they're just having discussions. And if the Phils pull out for Halladay and get Lee, Boston may be the only team left in the room to talk to Toronto because the Rangers can't afford any more payroll, the Dodgers and Yanks don't have enough, and the other teams who were pursuing Halladay have pulled out.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Here's a little confirmation from the AP:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball ... 7564_x.htm
AP source: Phillies make offer for Indians' Lee
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
That's why I don't know why they don't try and see if they can squeeze TO up until the deadline since his max value is at 3:59 pm. If Doc doesn't go anywhere, then I'm even happier about the Lee move.
I don't think Amaro wanted to come back empty handed because Toronto wasn't going to make the deal without Drabek. It will be interesting if Happ gets scratched from his start tonight.
I just read a report from Boston and the actual offer to Toronto by Boston is:
Buchholz (24 ML SP)
choice of Bowden (22 AAA SP), Masterson (24 ML SP/RP) or Lars Andersen (21 AA 1B/LF)
and two to three lesser products
The only reason I think that Sox offer is as competitive in Toronto's eyes is that Happ is already 26 with 2 years of service time in the majors after this season meaning they would control him for only 4 more years. Whereupon every other prospect in the trade would still be under team control for 6 years except for Masterson who would be under team control for 5 years before becoming a free agent. And that even if Drabek was in the deal he is probably still a year away from the majors whereupon the starters Boston are offering are either in the majors or have pitched in the majors already.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Lee has had two good seasons and is a lot cheaper salary wise than Halladay.
The negatives for me is he's another lefty and is a fly ball pitcher for his career, but has done better at that the last two years.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13