I'm sorry but the original post came off as sounding really stupid. You're right, I didn't get it and I'm not too worried about germs myself but some people are really sensitive about these things!
As long as the food was good, thats all that matters!
Look...I'm all for equal treatment of everyone and I despise mistreatment or judgement of those who can't control their actions whether mentally of physically. But, what the OP posted is just far and away from anything that should be accepted in public. You can't just let people run amok in public, throwing food, standing and eating in front of a buffet, handling others' food, etc etc. Where do you go, as someone said, shitting on the floor, groping others, jumping on the bar, etc etc. Sorry, it's not a discrimination, it's just proper public behavior. There's a reason people who have issues controlling themselves are supervised. Obviously whoever was doing that here wasn't doing their job.
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nowadays hits you when you're young
Those kids have just as much right to eat at the restaurant as I have. I never said they didn't. Some supervision from their teachers would have been nice for everyone involved. Kids would get their food and go to their tables to eat it. Other diners would get their food and do the same. You know, the way a buffet is supposed to operate.
Did any of the staff have a problem with what was happening? They are the ones who decide how their buffet is 'supposed to operate'... so I'm interested.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
This is a great post. It's all about cultural expectations... and no I don't mean Asian/Chinese/US/UK... I mean subculture... those with 'impairments', and those without. I could take it further... what the fuck is 'impairment' anyway? It's a word the able-bodied use to categorise others who are different to them, because it makes them more comfortable and able to live with difference. What is difference? And so on... and so on... and so on...
Agreed. What is the difference? It doesn't matter in this instance. If they are different, if they choose to eat different at their table, in their 'space', fine. When the choose (or are unable to choose) to disrupt others' space and food, then there is a problem.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
Did any of the staff have a problem with what was happening? They are the ones who decide how their buffet is 'supposed to operate'... so I'm interested.
Exactly. The OP didn't intervene, but it's certainly understandable to come away with a 'grossed out' feeling, right?
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
Those kids have just as much right to eat at the restaurant as I have. I never said they didn't. Some supervision from their teachers would have been nice for everyone involved. Kids would get their food and go to their tables to eat it. Other diners would get their food and do the same. You know, the way a buffet is supposed to operate.
yet your initial reaction was to put the blame on the kids.....
Did any of the staff have a problem with what was happening? They are the ones who decide how their buffet is 'supposed to operate'... so I'm interested.
They were too busy burning to the ground. They didn't expect a group of more than 30 teens and weren't adequately staffed to handle it. It was pretty funny. Dudes manning the pizza bar were sweating. The chick at the cash register was working her second day at the place. She looked like she didn't know whether to shit her pants or break down crying. The folks making pizzas were cranking them out as fast as they could. It was fucking chaos.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
I think there were a couple teachers there. There was a hot chick sitting with two teens who were with the group. I guess she was either a teacher or the best looking bus driver ever. I saw one other adult at that table, but no more. Of course when I got to my table I ate like I was sitting in the prison cafeteria -- head down, no eye contact.
i think i would have told her to get off her lazy ass and do her job.
yet your initial reaction was to put the blame on the kids.....
Don't give him the third degree....jesus. He was just illustrating an experience he had, probably trying a little bit to make it descriptively funnier...give the dude a break. Chill out.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
yet your initial reaction was to put the blame on the kids.....
A chick with a mustache slugging down pizza slices at the buffet was kind of eye-catching. Shit everywhere. Pure mayhem. It looked like the aftermath of a pizza orgy. My point was, it was gross. I stand by that. I didn't think about the supervision until a little later. Either way, I'm skipping the next Brehm Academy field trip to Godfather's Pizza.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
Don't give him the third degree....jesus. He was just illustrating an experience he had, probably trying a little bit to make it descriptively funnier...give the dude a break. Chill out.
And in doing so, he chose to mock a group of kids and even describe what "one girl with a mustache" was doing. So he shouldn't be surprised that he came off as arrogant and insensitive.
They were too busy burning to the ground. They didn't expect a group of more than 30 teens and weren't adequately staffed to handle it. It was pretty funny. Dudes manning the pizza bar were sweating. The chick at the cash register was working her second day at the place. She looked like she didn't know whether to shit her pants or break down crying. The folks making pizzas were cranking them out as fast as they could. It was fucking chaos.
Well the good news is, whatever's been said before, this post is the first thing I've laughed at all day.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
No, the reality of the situation is that whoever was monitoring the people bused in should have made sure their behavior wasn't disruptive to the other diners. In fact, the establishment should have asked them to leave, and that would have been fully within their right. No offense, but I don't care who Isaiah Berlin is, nor what his opinions are. In no way would I look down on a 'special needs' person for the way they eat or what their 'perceived disability' is. But, when their behavior, whether controllable or not, is such that it creates a health hazard for the other diners, then it is rightly judged as inappropriate behavior. If they cannot control that behavior, then whoever is in control of their situation is responsible. In no way would I condone a confrontation or verbal assault on those patrons, but to simply say it was gross is no personal fault of the OP. Is it such a horrible thought?
But the person in charge of the group isn't guilty of malice of forethought, bringing hungry customers who aren't deliberately meaning to upset others, into a food place. As for pulling out the health and safety issue, what should food halls do? Write a nondiscrim with caveats? "Sorry, no gibbering spazmoes please, they might cross-contaminate the undercooked wormburgers we pulled out of the microwave."
It wasn't just a 'black', she was a prostitute, and the guests had put up with enough up until then. That point is moot.
It's not that they are a taboo group, it's that they are messing with other peoples' food and making a health hazard by touching the food and throwing it on the floor. You people are making their 'specialness' an issue. No matter who they are, it is inappropriate behavior. Regardless of their mental faculties. If they can control it, they should. If they can't, whoever is in charge should be held accountable. End of story.
It's not even the beginning of any "story", as this is a matter for debate and interrogation with no single, authoritative narrative. It's a question of ethics. The matter of inappropriateness is certainly questionable here: is it appropriate for dining halls to refuse people food if they can't help their behavior according to environment, any more than it was appropriate for dining halls to refuse black people because their blackness offended the "sensibilities" of white people. When we really start looking at issues of perceived threats to health and safety, we might find they're often based on ignorant prejudice rather than scientific data. And that's actually the worst kind of bureaucratic political correctness.
I've played gigs where there have been groups of young people with special needs, enjoying music therapy. I once got a tambourine in the face from a happy, boisterous and excited kid, which nearly knocked out a front tooth. I lived with it. Didn't moan at the staff. Didn't label it "inappropriate behaviour". Didn't bang on about health and safety. If it was an everyday member of the public who did that, I would have jumped down and beaten the shit out of him, even if it was an accident. That's because an everyday member of the public can control how much they lose control.
And in doing so, he chose to mock a group of kids and even describe what "one girl with a mustache" was doing. So he shouldn't be surprised that he came off as arrogant and insensitive.
Shit, I thought it was a fucked up story and gross as hell. Last time I checked, women with mustaches tend to stick out in a crowd, especially when they're finger fucking the sausage and pepperoni deep dish at a buffet.
[Edit] I've definitely been called "insensitive" and "arrogant" before. I'm way too awesome for it to hurt my feelings.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
It's not even the beginning of any "story", as this is a matter for debate and interrogation with no single, authoritative narrative. It's a question of ethics. The matter of inappropriateness is certainly questionable here: is it appropriate for dining halls to refuse people food if they can't help their behavior according to environment, any more than it was appropriate for dining halls to refuse black people because their blackness offended the "sensibilities" of white people. When we really start looking at issues of perceived threats to health and safety, we might find they're often based on ignorant prejudice rather than scientific data. And that's actually the worst kind of bureaucratic political correctness.
Dude I'm not trying to kiss your arse, really (I bet it's hairy) but this is fucking genius.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
And in doing so, he chose to mock a group of kids and even describe what "one girl with a mustache" was doing. So he shouldn't be surprised that he came off as arrogant and insensitive.
Jesus christ...maybe there WAS 'one girl with a mustache'. Pretty damn funny if you ask me. Are you a Puritan or something? It's not like he said 'the stupid retards shouldn't have been there'. Give me a break. It sounded like a gross, funny, out of control scene and he described it perfectly. Give him a break for crying out loud. Some of you people are just unreal.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
It's not even the beginning of any "story", as this is a matter for debate and interrogation with no single, authoritative narrative. It's a question of ethics. The matter of inappropriateness is certainly questionable here: is it appropriate for dining halls to refuse people food if they can't help their behavior according to environment, any more than it was appropriate for dining halls to refuse black people because their blackness offended the "sensibilities" of white people.
OMG Give me a break. That is not even close to being a reasonable comparison. Again, YOU are putting the emphasis on their 'condition'. If black people were throwing food about and acting disorderly, then it was definitely in the right of the dining hall to refuse them. But because they are black? Of course not. Same applies here. NOBODY, read carefully now, NOBODY said these people should be allowed to eat there, or for that matter make a mess at their OWN TABLE. But when you infringe on other people, then they are responsible, or their 'caretaker' is.
Once again, I repeat for those who continue to act as this has been said: Nobody said they should leave, the OP didn't approach them or yell at them, etc etc. He simply said the 'scene was gross'.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
Agreed. What is the difference? It doesn't matter in this instance. If they are different, if they choose to eat different at their table, in their 'space', fine. When the choose (or are unable to choose) to disrupt others' space and food, then there is a problem.
OMG Give me a break. That is not even close to being a reasonable comparison. Again, YOU are putting the emphasis on their 'condition'. If black people were throwing food about and acting disorderly, then it was definitely in the right of the dining hall to refuse them. But because they are black? Of course not. Same applies here. NOBODY, read carefully now, NOBODY said these people should be allowed to eat there, or for that matter make a mess at their OWN TABLE. But when you infringe on other people, then they are responsible, or their 'caretaker' is.
Once again, I repeat for those who continue to act as this has been said: Nobody said they should leave, the OP didn't approach them or yell at them, etc etc. He simply said the 'scene was gross'.
...As for pulling out the health and safety issue, what should food halls do? Write a nondiscrim with caveats? "Sorry, no gibbering spazmoes please, they might cross-contaminate the undercooked wormburgers we pulled out of the microwave."
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The matter of inappropriateness is certainly questionable here: is it appropriate for dining halls to refuse people food if they can't help their behavior according to environment, any more than it was appropriate for dining halls to refuse black people because their blackness offended the "sensibilities" of white people. When we really start looking at issues of perceived threats to health and safety, we might find they're often based on ignorant prejudice rather than scientific data. And that's actually the worst kind of bureaucratic political correctness.
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Yeah, there's no health risks involved in communal food. That's why health departments don't tell employees to wash their hands and wear gloves. Oh wait, they do, and it's a pretty good idea for the customers to wash their hands, too. Maybe these were the cleanest teens in the history of buffet orgies, but I sure as hell don't know that. There is no scientific evidence to prove those teens washed their hands, but there is scientific evidence that points to the spread of food-borne diseases being spread by contaminated hands slapping five with other people's food.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
Too hairy. That's my horrendous disability. Maybe I should put it up against the window of McDonalds.
You should come to my McDonalds... it's 'culturally acceptable' in my part of London.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
This is the same person who started a thread on how arc sucks and another provocatory one I can't remember, so forgive me for doubting his good faith.
What is "arc"?
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
It's not even the beginning of any "story", as this is a matter for debate and interrogation with no single, authoritative narrative. It's a question of ethics.
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When we really start looking at issues of perceived threats to health and safety, we might find they're often based on ignorant prejudice rather than scientific data. And that's actually the worst kind of bureaucratic political correctness.
I usually enjoy your self indulgent rhetoric, but right now it's getting annoying.
Tell me, what part of my 'prejudices' (perceived by you) have led me to believe that a strangers hands all over my food is unsafe? That having the floor, which I and other customers traverse, covered with food and mess. What's prejudiced about thinking it gross that people eat OVER the buffet? Sorry, your literary prowess and over indulgence may impress some of the simple minds here, but I can call bullshit when I read (translate) it.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
Not at all. If you choose to take a shit at the bar, and they kick you out or others yell 'gross'!!! Is that simply their logical reaction or are they bigoted against show off erudite Brits?
I'd say they're just having a human reaction. But you can damn the man all you want.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
I usually enjoy your self indulgent rhetoric, but right now it's getting annoying.
Tell me, what part of my 'prejudices' (perceived by you) have led me to believe that a strangers hands all over my food is unsafe? That having the floor, which I and other customers traverse, covered with food and mess. What's prejudiced about thinking it gross that people eat OVER the buffet? Sorry, your literary prowess and over indulgence may impress some of the simple minds here, but I can call bullshit when I read (translate) it.
It's thanks to the 'literary prowess' you speak of, that cultural norms are established.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
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Look...I'm all for equal treatment of everyone and I despise mistreatment or judgement of those who can't control their actions whether mentally of physically. But, what the OP posted is just far and away from anything that should be accepted in public. You can't just let people run amok in public, throwing food, standing and eating in front of a buffet, handling others' food, etc etc. Where do you go, as someone said, shitting on the floor, groping others, jumping on the bar, etc etc. Sorry, it's not a discrimination, it's just proper public behavior. There's a reason people who have issues controlling themselves are supervised. Obviously whoever was doing that here wasn't doing their job.
nowadays hits you when you're young
Did any of the staff have a problem with what was happening? They are the ones who decide how their buffet is 'supposed to operate'... so I'm interested.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Agreed. What is the difference? It doesn't matter in this instance. If they are different, if they choose to eat different at their table, in their 'space', fine. When the choose (or are unable to choose) to disrupt others' space and food, then there is a problem.
nowadays hits you when you're young
Exactly. The OP didn't intervene, but it's certainly understandable to come away with a 'grossed out' feeling, right?
nowadays hits you when you're young
yet your initial reaction was to put the blame on the kids.....
They were too busy burning to the ground. They didn't expect a group of more than 30 teens and weren't adequately staffed to handle it. It was pretty funny. Dudes manning the pizza bar were sweating. The chick at the cash register was working her second day at the place. She looked like she didn't know whether to shit her pants or break down crying. The folks making pizzas were cranking them out as fast as they could. It was fucking chaos.
i think i would have told her to get off her lazy ass and do her job.
Don't give him the third degree....jesus. He was just illustrating an experience he had, probably trying a little bit to make it descriptively funnier...give the dude a break. Chill out.
nowadays hits you when you're young
A chick with a mustache slugging down pizza slices at the buffet was kind of eye-catching. Shit everywhere. Pure mayhem. It looked like the aftermath of a pizza orgy. My point was, it was gross. I stand by that. I didn't think about the supervision until a little later. Either way, I'm skipping the next Brehm Academy field trip to Godfather's Pizza.
And in doing so, he chose to mock a group of kids and even describe what "one girl with a mustache" was doing. So he shouldn't be surprised that he came off as arrogant and insensitive.
Well the good news is, whatever's been said before, this post is the first thing I've laughed at all day.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
But the person in charge of the group isn't guilty of malice of forethought, bringing hungry customers who aren't deliberately meaning to upset others, into a food place. As for pulling out the health and safety issue, what should food halls do? Write a nondiscrim with caveats? "Sorry, no gibbering spazmoes please, they might cross-contaminate the undercooked wormburgers we pulled out of the microwave."
It's not even the beginning of any "story", as this is a matter for debate and interrogation with no single, authoritative narrative. It's a question of ethics. The matter of inappropriateness is certainly questionable here: is it appropriate for dining halls to refuse people food if they can't help their behavior according to environment, any more than it was appropriate for dining halls to refuse black people because their blackness offended the "sensibilities" of white people. When we really start looking at issues of perceived threats to health and safety, we might find they're often based on ignorant prejudice rather than scientific data. And that's actually the worst kind of bureaucratic political correctness.
I've played gigs where there have been groups of young people with special needs, enjoying music therapy. I once got a tambourine in the face from a happy, boisterous and excited kid, which nearly knocked out a front tooth. I lived with it. Didn't moan at the staff. Didn't label it "inappropriate behaviour". Didn't bang on about health and safety. If it was an everyday member of the public who did that, I would have jumped down and beaten the shit out of him, even if it was an accident. That's because an everyday member of the public can control how much they lose control.
Shit, I thought it was a fucked up story and gross as hell. Last time I checked, women with mustaches tend to stick out in a crowd, especially when they're finger fucking the sausage and pepperoni deep dish at a buffet.
[Edit] I've definitely been called "insensitive" and "arrogant" before. I'm way too awesome for it to hurt my feelings.
Dude I'm not trying to kiss your arse, really (I bet it's hairy) but this is fucking genius.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Jesus christ...maybe there WAS 'one girl with a mustache'. Pretty damn funny if you ask me. Are you a Puritan or something? It's not like he said 'the stupid retards shouldn't have been there'. Give me a break. It sounded like a gross, funny, out of control scene and he described it perfectly. Give him a break for crying out loud. Some of you people are just unreal.
nowadays hits you when you're young
I couldn't agree more. :rolleyes:
Too hairy. That's my horrendous disability. Maybe I should put it up against the window of McDonalds.
OMG Give me a break. That is not even close to being a reasonable comparison. Again, YOU are putting the emphasis on their 'condition'. If black people were throwing food about and acting disorderly, then it was definitely in the right of the dining hall to refuse them. But because they are black? Of course not. Same applies here. NOBODY, read carefully now, NOBODY said these people should be allowed to eat there, or for that matter make a mess at their OWN TABLE. But when you infringe on other people, then they are responsible, or their 'caretaker' is.
Once again, I repeat for those who continue to act as this has been said: Nobody said they should leave, the OP didn't approach them or yell at them, etc etc. He simply said the 'scene was gross'.
nowadays hits you when you're young
This is the same person who started a thread on how arc sucks and another provocatory one I can't remember, so forgive me for doubting his good faith.
Get to the back of the bus!
Reads like backtracking, here.
Yeah, there's no health risks involved in communal food. That's why health departments don't tell employees to wash their hands and wear gloves. Oh wait, they do, and it's a pretty good idea for the customers to wash their hands, too. Maybe these were the cleanest teens in the history of buffet orgies, but I sure as hell don't know that. There is no scientific evidence to prove those teens washed their hands, but there is scientific evidence that points to the spread of food-borne diseases being spread by contaminated hands slapping five with other people's food.
You should come to my McDonalds... it's 'culturally acceptable' in my part of London.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
What is "arc"?
Hahahahaha fucking ha!
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I usually enjoy your self indulgent rhetoric, but right now it's getting annoying.
Tell me, what part of my 'prejudices' (perceived by you) have led me to believe that a strangers hands all over my food is unsafe? That having the floor, which I and other customers traverse, covered with food and mess. What's prejudiced about thinking it gross that people eat OVER the buffet? Sorry, your literary prowess and over indulgence may impress some of the simple minds here, but I can call bullshit when I read (translate) it.
nowadays hits you when you're young
heheheheheheheehehehe
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Not at all. If you choose to take a shit at the bar, and they kick you out or others yell 'gross'!!! Is that simply their logical reaction or are they bigoted against show off erudite Brits?
I'd say they're just having a human reaction. But you can damn the man all you want.
nowadays hits you when you're young
It's thanks to the 'literary prowess' you speak of, that cultural norms are established.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Reads like ignoring all my points again.
nowadays hits you when you're young