I much prefer Ohio State in the Capital One Bowl, likely against Alabama or Georgia (I'm sure Florida will beat Alabama, they are so dominant right now it is unbelievable). OSU gains nothing from beating Oregon St. in the Rose Bowl, and nobody needs a chance to regain credibility like Ohio State does right now. Plus, it'd be a chance to break their SEC-bowl game curse.
Perhaps, perhaps not, but even playing them well gets them more respect than anything they could do to Oregon St. Nobody thought Michigan could beat Florida in the Capital One bowl last year either.
Perhaps, perhaps not, but even playing them well gets them more respect than anything they could do to Oregon St. Nobody thought Michigan could beat Florida in the Capital One bowl last year either.
Ohio State can't get any respect in that regard unless they defeat an SEC team. Even if they played them close, and lost, the media would still harp on their inability to defeat an SEC team. I don't think they'd get embarrassed by either Bama or UGA in the fashion they did against the Gators or LSU, however.
Otherwise, how can you really say they don't get respect? They are media darlings much like So. Cal. They were pre-season #2, based on what? They are currently the highest ranked 2-loss team. All they have to do every year is win out in the Big 10. Let's be honest, with their talent level it shouldn't be that difficult. There are good teams in the Big 10 (MSU, Northwestern, Iowa) but no one outstanding. You can argue Penn State, and they are having a great season, but they aren't consistently dominant.
They'll probably meet UGA though, considering I think the loser of the SEC title game will receive an at-large berth in a BCS game.
Ohio State can't get any respect in that regard unless they defeat an SEC team. Even if they played them close, and lost, the media would still harp on their inability to defeat an SEC team. I don't think they'd get embarrassed by either Bama or UGA in the fashion they did against the Gators or LSU, however.
Otherwise, how can you really say they don't get respect? They are media darlings much like So. Cal. They were pre-season #2, based on what? They are currently the highest ranked 2-loss team. All they have to do every year is win out in the Big 10. Let's be honest, with their talent level it shouldn't be that difficult. There are good teams in the Big 10 (MSU, Northwestern, Iowa) but no one outstanding. You can argue Penn State, and they are having a great season, but they aren't consistently dominant.
They'll probably meet UGA though, considering I think the loser of the SEC title game will receive an at-large berth in a BCS game.
They were the pre-season #2 because they went to the title game last year with a very young/rookie team... they returned a lot of people from that team. That said, they only got to that game last year because the Big Ten was weak, and their team this year is good, but not great. I say they don't get respect because people love to hate them. There is no team as reviled as Ohio State that I can think of. They brought part of it on themselves... they choked against Florida, big time. It wasn't even a game. That hurt them. Then they slipped in last year and people were outraged due to the bad taste in their mouth from the prior season. It wasn't their fault, but god knows you didn't hear about how Oklahoma and WVU choked and blew their shot at the title game, only about how OSU snuck in unfairly and got beat by a team nobody thought they could beat. It's a weird case of being overrated and disrespected. The polls give them too much credit, the fans not enough. Though they should be the highest ranked 2-loss team... both of those losses were to top-10 teams ahead of them in the polls.
I think a strong showing against an SEC team is good for Ohio State. Not as good as a win. But they could lose by a field goal to Georgia and it will be better for them than going to the Rose Bowl and beating Oregon St by 30. I'm not saying that would happen, I'm just saying it's how it is.
They were the pre-season #2 because they went to the title game last year with a very young/rookie team... they returned a lot of people from that team. That said, they only got to that game last year because the Big Ten was weak, and their team this year is good, but not great. I say they don't get respect because people love to hate them. There is no team as reviled as Ohio State that I can think of. They brought part of it on themselves... they choked against Florida, big time. It wasn't even a game. That hurt them. Then they slipped in last year and people were outraged due to the bad taste in their mouth from the prior season. It wasn't their fault, but god knows you didn't hear about how Oklahoma and WVU choked and blew their shot at the title game, only about how OSU snuck in unfairly and got beat by a team nobody thought they could beat. It's a weird case of being overrated and disrespected. The polls give them too much credit, the fans not enough. Though they should be the highest ranked 2-loss team... both of those losses were to top-10 teams ahead of them in the polls.
I think a strong showing against an SEC team is good for Ohio State. Not as good as a win. But they could lose by a field goal to Georgia and it will be better for them than going to the Rose Bowl and beating Oregon St by 30. I'm not saying that would happen, I'm just saying it's how it is.
One could argue that Oklahoma State should be ranked ahead of Ohio State. Their two losses were to the #1 and 2 teams at the time (Texas and Texas Tech, respectively) and they play in a much tougher conference.
I have to admit I was very surprised when my Gators dismantled Ohio St. in the title game two years ago. That Florida team was good, but I didn't think they were a championship team going in. A lot of people thought Michigan should have gotten the nod, and of course the Gators only made it because UCLA defeated So. Cal.
I think the hostility from fans definitely comes from seeing them as overrated. Many college football fans, especially from this part of the country, don't respect the Big 10. We have a tendency to see the SEC as the be all, end all of college football. Hell, even my alma mater, THE USC Gamecocks jumped all over Ohio State in the Outback Bowl in the 2001/2002 season and then were able to survive a late comeback. Then the Buckeyes went on their title run the following season. It goes back a bit. The Gamecocks beat them 2 years in a row, plus with what Florida and LSU did against them in the biggest game of the year, shows the country whether fairly or unfairly that they are the best team in a 2nd tier conference. If they somehow manage to defeat a well-respected SEC program like Georgia in the postseason, I agree some of that might let up a bit.
One could argue that Oklahoma State should be ranked ahead of Ohio State. Their two losses were to the #1 and 2 teams at the time (Texas and Texas Tech, respectively) and they play in a much tougher conference.
I have to admit I was very surprised when my Gators dismantled Ohio St. in the title game two years ago. That Florida team was good, but I didn't think they were a championship team going in. A lot of people thought Michigan should have gotten the nod, and of course the Gators only made it because UCLA defeated So. Cal.
I think the hostility from fans definitely comes from seeing them as overrated. Many college football fans, especially from this part of the country, don't respect the Big 10. We have a tendency to see the SEC as the be all, end all of college football. Hell, even my alma mater, THE USC Gamecocks jumped all over Ohio State in the Outback Bowl in the 2001/2002 season and then were able to survive a late comeback. Then the Buckeyes went on their title run the following season. It goes back a bit. The Gamecocks beat them 2 years in a row, plus with what Florida and LSU did against them in the biggest game of the year, shows the country whether fairly or unfairly that they are the best team in a 2nd tier conference. If they somehow manage to defeat a well-respected SEC program like Georgia in the postseason, I agree some of that might let up a bit.
Good point, I'd forgotten Ok St.
I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder I suppose. The Ohio State team that showed up to play Florida 2 seasons ago is not the team that had played all season and anyone who saw them that year knows it. But they went into the championship and it was clear from about play 2 that they had been listening to and believing their own hype and acted like Florida should have just surrendered. Losing their biggest speed threat (Ginn) on the first play didn't help. But the bottom line was Ohio State looked like shit, and Florida tore them apart. They beat OSU in every aspect of that game. It was a humiliation for the program, given how much hype had led up to that point. Michigan got dismantled by USC that year as well, I think. So it was a piss poor showing for the country's 1-2 Big Ten teams.
I'm not a huge partisan though. The Big Ten is weak these days, no doubt. And OSU's bowl record against the SEC speaks for itself. My problem is that against any other conference, OSU does just fine, and generally against the SEC the Big Ten does fine. Plus, Oklahoma's bowl game record is pathetic and they also walked into a title game or two only to get smoked... but nobody talks shit about them or says they don't belong playing with the big guys. If they hadn't choked in the Big 12 championship, they'd have been getting their asses handed to them by LSU last season.
When it comes down to it though, the only way to change it is on the field, and so far OSU hasn't done that. Maybe they'll have better luck against Georgia. I hope so. The good news is that Pryor seems to be giving the team some swagger for the first time since that game against Florida. He's currently their best asset and biggest liability.
I pity Alabama and whoever wins the Big 12. Florida looks pretty unstoppable these days.
I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder I suppose. The Ohio State team that showed up to play Florida 2 seasons ago is not the team that had played all season and anyone who saw them that year knows it. But they went into the championship and it was clear from about play 2 that they had been listening to and believing their own hype and acted like Florida should have just surrendered. Losing their biggest speed threat (Ginn) on the first play didn't help. But the bottom line was Ohio State looked like shit, and Florida tore them apart. They beat OSU in every aspect of that game. It was a humiliation for the program, given how much hype had led up to that point. Michigan got dismantled by USC that year as well, I think. So it was a piss poor showing for the country's 1-2 Big Ten teams.
I'm not a huge partisan though. The Big Ten is weak these days, no doubt. And OSU's bowl record against the SEC speaks for itself. My problem is that against any other conference, OSU does just fine, and generally against the SEC the Big Ten does fine. Plus, Oklahoma's bowl game record is pathetic and they also walked into a title game or two only to get smoked... but nobody talks shit about them or says they don't belong playing with the big guys. If they hadn't choked in the Big 12 championship, they'd have been getting their asses handed to them by LSU last season.
When it comes down to it though, the only way to change it is on the field, and so far OSU hasn't done that. Maybe they'll have better luck against Georgia. I hope so. The good news is that Pryor seems to be giving the team some swagger for the first time since that game against Florida. He's currently their best asset and biggest liability.
I pity Alabama and whoever wins the Big 12. Florida looks pretty unstoppable these days.
Agree with everything but the Pryor statement. Beanie Wells is their greatest asset. He can make our weak line look good.Thats one aspect of the team thats lacking. Glad Brewster got the shot to jell with Pryor though.Long time believer of too much media attention place on the Bucks
at any point in the season.
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I'm not a huge partisan though. The Big Ten is weak these days, no doubt. And OSU's bowl record against the SEC speaks for itself. My problem is that against any other conference, OSU does just fine, and generally against the SEC the Big Ten does fine. Plus, Oklahoma's bowl game record is pathetic and they also walked into a title game or two only to get smoked... but nobody talks shit about them or says they don't belong playing with the big guys. If they hadn't choked in the Big 12 championship, they'd have been getting their asses handed to them by LSU last season.
When it comes down to it though, the only way to change it is on the field, and so far OSU hasn't done that. Maybe they'll have better luck against Georgia. I hope so. The good news is that Pryor seems to be giving the team some swagger for the first time since that game against Florida. He's currently their best asset and biggest liability.
I pity Alabama and whoever wins the Big 12. Florida looks pretty unstoppable these days.
I actually think Oklahoma matches up better against the Gators than anybody else. Both offenses are efficient as hell. The knock on the Big 12 has been the defensive play of its top teams, and that might make the difference in a UF/OU matchup. But if Florida had a tough time getting pressure on Bradford then it could get interesting. In the end I think Texas will get the nod in the Big 12 south. Then of course if Mizzou somehow beats them things will get really crazy.
I agree that Pryor has great potential. Things should get interesting in the Big 10 in the coming years, as Rodriguez gets his recruits in at Michigan.
As far as a OSU/UGA matchup, pressuring Stafford is the key. Create turnovers and UGA has one helluva time playing catch up. Alabama and Florida showed that. Plus they have struggled against middle-of-the-road SEC teams Kentucky and Auburn the last couple of weeks.
Agree with everything but the Pryor statement. Beanie Wells is their greatest asset. He can make our weak line look good.Thats one aspect of the team thats lacking. Glad Brewster got the shot to jell with Pryor though.Long time believer of too much media attention place on the Bucks
at any point in the season.
Beanie's their best player, aside from maybe Jenkins. But I'm talking about spirit. Pryor has a lot of heart and fire. He was taunting people after the Illinois game. OSU needs that... that spirit and swagger the SEC does so well. Even last season, the team seemed to lack that. Beanie carried the team, but they never seems to have as much focus and spirit as they have the last few games and even the PSU game, despite losing that one. I'm just afraid their layoff is so long (as always) that the team will be ice cold by the time bowl games roll around.
Speaking of ice cold, I'd love to see an SEC team play in the Horseshoe in November. Big Ten teams train for that kind of weather. Big Ten players match up just fine in the NFL. They've got plenty of talent, but they have to prepare to play football that isn't as flashy as the kind of football you can play when the temperature never drops below 60. See how fast those SEC teams look when they're trying to run through the snow and can't feel their hands and feet.
I actually think Oklahoma matches up better against the Gators than anybody else. Both offenses are efficient as hell. The knock on the Big 12 has been the defensive play of its top teams, and that might make the difference in a UF/OU matchup. But if Florida had a tough time getting pressure on Bradford then it could get interesting. In the end I think Texas will get the nod in the Big 12 south. Then of course if Mizzou somehow beats them things will get really crazy.
I agree that Pryor has great potential. Things should get interesting in the Big 10 in the coming years, as Rodriguez gets his recruits in at Michigan.
As far as a OSU/UGA matchup, pressuring Stafford is the key. Create turnovers and UGA has one helluva time playing catch up. Alabama and Florida showed that. Plus they have struggled against middle-of-the-road SEC teams Kentucky and Auburn the last couple of weeks.
I don't have much worry about Florida getting pressure on Bradford. Texas did ok at that and I don't think their defense compares to Florida's. But we'll see. If Mizzou knocks off the south winner, it's going to be a nightmare of confusion.
Big Ten play could get interesting. Tressel has been so conservative this season with his rookie QB, but I suspect he's up all night thinking of crazy stuff he can throw at other teams next season. And Michigan had a tough season this year, but they didn't hire Rodriguez for nothing and he's going to be shaking things up in no time. Unless he goes the way of Joe Tiller. Penn State's spin on the thread has been lethal too. They'll be catching up in no time.
Georgia's definitely vulnerable and OSU can definitely cause turnovers. It's all about what offense decides to show up for the Buckeyes whenever they play.
Beanie's their best player, aside from maybe Jenkins. But I'm talking about spirit. Pryor has a lot of heart and fire. He was taunting people after the Illinois game. OSU needs that... that spirit and swagger the SEC does so well. Even last season, the team seemed to lack that. Beanie carried the team, but they never seems to have as much focus and spirit as they have the last few games and even the PSU game, despite losing that one. I'm just afraid their layoff is so long (as always) that the team will be ice cold by the time bowl games roll around.
Speaking of ice cold, I'd love to see an SEC team play in the Horseshoe in November. Big Ten teams train for that kind of weather. Big Ten players match up just fine in the NFL. They've got plenty of talent, but they have to prepare to play football that isn't as flashy as the kind of football you can play when the temperature never drops below 60. See how fast those SEC teams look when they're trying to run through the snow and can't feel their hands and feet.
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Everything in scollege footbal is cyclical, the Big 10 is down right now, so is the pac 10. The Big East is not very good, and neither is the ACC with Miami, Virgina Tech, and Florida State all rebuilding. And outside of Florida and Alabama, so is the SEC. That being said, Ohio State would get smashed by Oklahoma, Texas, or Florida. Probably by Alabama and Texas Tech as well. And in a rematch with USC, I don't see the score being any better. Same with Penn State. They are both very good programs that play in a bad conference right now. Maybe tOSU plays decently against a beat up Georgia team in a bowl. Or Penn State goes to the rose bowl and unfortunatly plays oregon state again instead of USC. Big 10 does not deserve two top 10 teams. There is a huge drop off between the top 5 teams in the country and everyone else.
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Everything in scollege footbal is cyclical, the Big 10 is down right now, so is the pac 10. The Big East is not very good, and neither is the ACC with Miami, Virgina Tech, and Florida State all rebuilding. And outside of Florida and Alabama, so is the SEC. That being said, Ohio State would get smashed by Oklahoma, Texas, or Florida. Probably by Alabama and Texas Tech as well. And in a rematch with USC, I don't see the score being any better. Same with Penn State. They are both very good programs that play in a bad conference right now. Maybe tOSU plays decently against a beat up Georgia team in a bowl. Or Penn State goes to the rose bowl and unfortunatly plays oregon state again instead of USC. Big 10 does not deserve two top 10 teams. There is a huge drop off between the top 5 teams in the country and everyone else.
I'll forgive you this statement since you're a steelers fan.
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yeah, I was not a fan of the richrod hiring, to say watching them is frustrating is an understatement. I think the next 2-3 years are not going to be pretty.
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Look on the bright side everyone...you're not Notre Dame yes....thats right...they lost to Syracuse...0-2 against the Big East...no wonder why they didnt want to join the conference a few years back
Man got us playing Virginia Tech in the Meineke Car Care Bowl...hmmm..2 games in conference for West Virginia against Pitt and South Florida could be 2 losses and Rutgers has Louisville..we beat Louisville and WV loses both games we are #2 in the Big East which could put us in the Sun Bowl or the Gator Bowl...Gator Bowl would be awesome!
Everything in scollege footbal is cyclical, the Big 10 is down right now, so is the pac 10. The Big East is not very good, and neither is the ACC with Miami, Virgina Tech, and Florida State all rebuilding. And outside of Florida and Alabama, so is the SEC. That being said, Ohio State would get smashed by Oklahoma, Texas, or Florida. Probably by Alabama and Texas Tech as well. And in a rematch with USC, I don't see the score being any better. Same with Penn State. They are both very good programs that play in a bad conference right now. Maybe tOSU plays decently against a beat up Georgia team in a bowl. Or Penn State goes to the rose bowl and unfortunatly plays oregon state again instead of USC. Big 10 does not deserve two top 10 teams. There is a huge drop off between the top 5 teams in the country and everyone else.
I don't know about any of this. Georgia will have a month to get healthy, stop making excuses for them already. No way would an OSU-USC game played right now look anything like the first one did. OSU drove strong on their first 2 possessions and came up with only one field goal. You throw Pryor and Beanie into those drives, and that game is 14-14 in the first quarter. I can't say OSU would win, but it would not look like it did that day.
It's a shame that Oregon St will get the Rose Bowl bid... USC-PSU would be a much better game. This one is going to be as lame as USC-Illinois was last season. Unfortunately, if USC got the Rose Bowl bid, they'd probably pair Oh St (I'm annoyed by how many OSU acronyms there are!) with some joke team. I badly want a piece of Georgia or Alabama this season, see how the Buckeyes do against one of these "elite" SEC teams when they're hungry.
Just got back from the Holy War up in Salt Lake City. BYU vs. Utah. Mormon bitches went home bawling! Utah is 12-0.
If I had known then what I know now...
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I don't know about any of this. Georgia will have a month to get healthy, stop making excuses for them already. No way would an OSU-USC game played right now look anything like the first one did. OSU drove strong on their first 2 possessions and came up with only one field goal. You throw Pryor and Beanie into those drives, and that game is 14-14 in the first quarter. I can't say OSU would win, but it would not look like it did that day.
It's a shame that Oregon St will get the Rose Bowl bid... USC-PSU would be a much better game. This one is going to be as lame as USC-Illinois was last season. Unfortunately, if USC got the Rose Bowl bid, they'd probably pair Oh St (I'm annoyed by how many OSU acronyms there are!) with some joke team. I badly want a piece of Georgia or Alabama this season, see how the Buckeyes do against one of these "elite" SEC teams when they're hungry.
It does suck about oregon state, it should be USC/PSU. I am not making excuses for UGA though, they were overhyped just like tOSU was. I am tired of hearing how tOSU is so much better with Wells and Pryor. Those too still did not stop USC from scoring. I wish that tOSU or Penn State would play Texas, Oklahoma, or Florida. The game would be like 56-24. or worse. Alabama might be a better game since they don't have an offence as good as those teams. tOSU will get a shot at USC next year in Columbus.
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It does suck about oregon state, it should be USC/PSU. I am not making excuses for UGA though, they were overhyped just like tOSU was. I am tired of hearing how tOSU is so much better with Wells and Pryor. Those too still did not stop USC from scoring. I wish that tOSU or Penn State would play Texas, Oklahoma, or Florida. The game would be like 56-24. or worse. Alabama might be a better game since they don't have an offence as good as those teams. tOSU will get a shot at USC next year in Columbus.
Yeah beanie couldn't handle USC defense from the sideline.
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they are number 1....tied with osu
OSU is #1, they have the tie-breaker.
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Perhaps, perhaps not, but even playing them well gets them more respect than anything they could do to Oregon St. Nobody thought Michigan could beat Florida in the Capital One bowl last year either.
Otherwise, how can you really say they don't get respect? They are media darlings much like So. Cal. They were pre-season #2, based on what? They are currently the highest ranked 2-loss team. All they have to do every year is win out in the Big 10. Let's be honest, with their talent level it shouldn't be that difficult. There are good teams in the Big 10 (MSU, Northwestern, Iowa) but no one outstanding. You can argue Penn State, and they are having a great season, but they aren't consistently dominant.
They'll probably meet UGA though, considering I think the loser of the SEC title game will receive an at-large berth in a BCS game.
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They were the pre-season #2 because they went to the title game last year with a very young/rookie team... they returned a lot of people from that team. That said, they only got to that game last year because the Big Ten was weak, and their team this year is good, but not great. I say they don't get respect because people love to hate them. There is no team as reviled as Ohio State that I can think of. They brought part of it on themselves... they choked against Florida, big time. It wasn't even a game. That hurt them. Then they slipped in last year and people were outraged due to the bad taste in their mouth from the prior season. It wasn't their fault, but god knows you didn't hear about how Oklahoma and WVU choked and blew their shot at the title game, only about how OSU snuck in unfairly and got beat by a team nobody thought they could beat. It's a weird case of being overrated and disrespected. The polls give them too much credit, the fans not enough. Though they should be the highest ranked 2-loss team... both of those losses were to top-10 teams ahead of them in the polls.
I think a strong showing against an SEC team is good for Ohio State. Not as good as a win. But they could lose by a field goal to Georgia and it will be better for them than going to the Rose Bowl and beating Oregon St by 30. I'm not saying that would happen, I'm just saying it's how it is.
One could argue that Oklahoma State should be ranked ahead of Ohio State. Their two losses were to the #1 and 2 teams at the time (Texas and Texas Tech, respectively) and they play in a much tougher conference.
I have to admit I was very surprised when my Gators dismantled Ohio St. in the title game two years ago. That Florida team was good, but I didn't think they were a championship team going in. A lot of people thought Michigan should have gotten the nod, and of course the Gators only made it because UCLA defeated So. Cal.
I think the hostility from fans definitely comes from seeing them as overrated. Many college football fans, especially from this part of the country, don't respect the Big 10. We have a tendency to see the SEC as the be all, end all of college football. Hell, even my alma mater, THE USC Gamecocks jumped all over Ohio State in the Outback Bowl in the 2001/2002 season and then were able to survive a late comeback. Then the Buckeyes went on their title run the following season. It goes back a bit. The Gamecocks beat them 2 years in a row, plus with what Florida and LSU did against them in the biggest game of the year, shows the country whether fairly or unfairly that they are the best team in a 2nd tier conference. If they somehow manage to defeat a well-respected SEC program like Georgia in the postseason, I agree some of that might let up a bit.
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Good point, I'd forgotten Ok St.
I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder I suppose. The Ohio State team that showed up to play Florida 2 seasons ago is not the team that had played all season and anyone who saw them that year knows it. But they went into the championship and it was clear from about play 2 that they had been listening to and believing their own hype and acted like Florida should have just surrendered. Losing their biggest speed threat (Ginn) on the first play didn't help. But the bottom line was Ohio State looked like shit, and Florida tore them apart. They beat OSU in every aspect of that game. It was a humiliation for the program, given how much hype had led up to that point. Michigan got dismantled by USC that year as well, I think. So it was a piss poor showing for the country's 1-2 Big Ten teams.
I'm not a huge partisan though. The Big Ten is weak these days, no doubt. And OSU's bowl record against the SEC speaks for itself. My problem is that against any other conference, OSU does just fine, and generally against the SEC the Big Ten does fine. Plus, Oklahoma's bowl game record is pathetic and they also walked into a title game or two only to get smoked... but nobody talks shit about them or says they don't belong playing with the big guys. If they hadn't choked in the Big 12 championship, they'd have been getting their asses handed to them by LSU last season.
When it comes down to it though, the only way to change it is on the field, and so far OSU hasn't done that. Maybe they'll have better luck against Georgia. I hope so. The good news is that Pryor seems to be giving the team some swagger for the first time since that game against Florida. He's currently their best asset and biggest liability.
I pity Alabama and whoever wins the Big 12. Florida looks pretty unstoppable these days.
at any point in the season.
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I agree that Pryor has great potential. Things should get interesting in the Big 10 in the coming years, as Rodriguez gets his recruits in at Michigan.
As far as a OSU/UGA matchup, pressuring Stafford is the key. Create turnovers and UGA has one helluva time playing catch up. Alabama and Florida showed that. Plus they have struggled against middle-of-the-road SEC teams Kentucky and Auburn the last couple of weeks.
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I was close
1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
Beanie's their best player, aside from maybe Jenkins. But I'm talking about spirit. Pryor has a lot of heart and fire. He was taunting people after the Illinois game. OSU needs that... that spirit and swagger the SEC does so well. Even last season, the team seemed to lack that. Beanie carried the team, but they never seems to have as much focus and spirit as they have the last few games and even the PSU game, despite losing that one. I'm just afraid their layoff is so long (as always) that the team will be ice cold by the time bowl games roll around.
Speaking of ice cold, I'd love to see an SEC team play in the Horseshoe in November. Big Ten teams train for that kind of weather. Big Ten players match up just fine in the NFL. They've got plenty of talent, but they have to prepare to play football that isn't as flashy as the kind of football you can play when the temperature never drops below 60. See how fast those SEC teams look when they're trying to run through the snow and can't feel their hands and feet.
I don't have much worry about Florida getting pressure on Bradford. Texas did ok at that and I don't think their defense compares to Florida's. But we'll see. If Mizzou knocks off the south winner, it's going to be a nightmare of confusion.
Big Ten play could get interesting. Tressel has been so conservative this season with his rookie QB, but I suspect he's up all night thinking of crazy stuff he can throw at other teams next season. And Michigan had a tough season this year, but they didn't hire Rodriguez for nothing and he's going to be shaking things up in no time. Unless he goes the way of Joe Tiller. Penn State's spin on the thread has been lethal too. They'll be catching up in no time.
Georgia's definitely vulnerable and OSU can definitely cause turnovers. It's all about what offense decides to show up for the Buckeyes whenever they play.
WORD!!!!!! TAKE THAT HATERS!!!!!!
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
its ok, I am a Michigan fan too. I usually defend the big 10, but the conferernce is down right now.
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
yeah, I was not a fan of the richrod hiring, to say watching them is frustrating is an understatement. I think the next 2-3 years are not going to be pretty.
Rutgers might give the Eagles a good game right now.
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
Notre Dame losing makes me happy
I think the Knights would BEAT the Eagles right now
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
Man got us playing Virginia Tech in the Meineke Car Care Bowl...hmmm..2 games in conference for West Virginia against Pitt and South Florida could be 2 losses and Rutgers has Louisville..we beat Louisville and WV loses both games we are #2 in the Big East which could put us in the Sun Bowl or the Gator Bowl...Gator Bowl would be awesome!
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
I don't know about any of this. Georgia will have a month to get healthy, stop making excuses for them already. No way would an OSU-USC game played right now look anything like the first one did. OSU drove strong on their first 2 possessions and came up with only one field goal. You throw Pryor and Beanie into those drives, and that game is 14-14 in the first quarter. I can't say OSU would win, but it would not look like it did that day.
It's a shame that Oregon St will get the Rose Bowl bid... USC-PSU would be a much better game. This one is going to be as lame as USC-Illinois was last season. Unfortunately, if USC got the Rose Bowl bid, they'd probably pair Oh St (I'm annoyed by how many OSU acronyms there are!) with some joke team. I badly want a piece of Georgia or Alabama this season, see how the Buckeyes do against one of these "elite" SEC teams when they're hungry.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
It does suck about oregon state, it should be USC/PSU. I am not making excuses for UGA though, they were overhyped just like tOSU was. I am tired of hearing how tOSU is so much better with Wells and Pryor. Those too still did not stop USC from scoring. I wish that tOSU or Penn State would play Texas, Oklahoma, or Florida. The game would be like 56-24. or worse. Alabama might be a better game since they don't have an offence as good as those teams. tOSU will get a shot at USC next year in Columbus.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14