It is kind of funny how the penguins can play a crappy game and still win against the rangers.
PITTSBURGH -- The Pittsburgh Penguins say they've reached an impasse in negotiations for a new arena and will aggressively explore relocation.
The team sent a letter to Governor Ed Rendell, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl saying they are faced with mounting uncertainty that an agreement can be reached soon enough for the team.
The Penguins said they will notify the NHL they are looking to relocate.
The team is declaring an impasse even though it has agreed to pay $3.6 million dollars a year in rent, plus another $400,000 a year in capital expenses.
But the Penguins say that's not enough for the state.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
With this gem of a season you guys are having,...its kinda funny that the Penguins will be the Kansas City Penguins very shortly.
well, you guys can always jump on the Flyer bandwagon.
good luck with that.
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With this gem of a season you guys are having,...its kinda funny that the Penguins will be the Kansas City Penguins very shortly.
well, you guys can always jump on the Flyer bandwagon.
good luck with that.
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The flyers will be better than the rangers next year. And who knows what will happen with the penguins. I want them to stay in Pittsburgh. That's where they belong. But I am from B.C.. So if they have to move it will suck, but for me at least it won't make that much of a difference. Enjoy your Jagr, especially when the playoffs come and he completely disapears. If he is even in the playoffs to begin with.
Penguins to aggressively explore relocation
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PITTSBURGH -- The Penguins moved a step closer to leaving Pittsburgh, declaring on Monday an impasse in their new arena negotiations with state and local leaders and saying they will actively pursue relocation.
The breakdown in arena talks came only three days after Gov. Ed Rendell said he felt an agreement was close. It also increases the possibility the Penguins will be playing in Kansas City next season.
"We have made a single-minded effort to bring this new arena to a successful conclusion and keep the team in Pittsburgh," owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle said in a letter to Rendell and local government officials. "... Our good-faith efforts have not produced a deal, however, and have only added more anxiety to what we thought at best was a risky proposition for us moving forward."
In the letter, Lemieux and Burkle put the blame for the impasse on government officials, arguing they agreed to pay $120 million over 30 years to help build a $290 million arena and cover construction cost overruns, yet still have not reached a deal.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman became involved in the talks several weeks ago, but also has been unable to finalize an agreement.
"We can do no more," Lemieux, the longtime Penguins star, and Burkle said in the letter.
The Penguins had an agreement with Isle of Capri Casinos to build the arena at no expense to the team or taxpayers in exchange for a license to build a Pittsburgh slots casino, but a state board in December chose a competing bid.
On Jan. 4, the team, state, city and Allegheny County began negotiating an alternate arena funding plan. At the time, government officials were asking for the team to contribute about $4.1 million per year, but lowered that to $2.8 million during the first round of negotiations.
During subsequent talks, the Penguins agreed to up that annual contribution to $3.6 million, plus $400,000 in operating expenses, after the state said there was a funding shortfall. However, the two sides still could not close a deal.
Kansas City has offered its nearly completed Sprint Center to the Penguins rent-free. The Penguins would also gain revenue from development projects around the arena.
However, the Penguins would be leaving one of the NHL's strongest U.S. markets for a smaller one that lost an NHL team in 1976 after only two seasons because of lack of support. The Penguins' home attendance and local TV ratings are among the strongest of the 24 United States-based franchises.
Though the Pittsburgh-to-Kansas City buzz has kept both towns talking -- and wondering -- all winter, at least a couple of officials from Kansas City's end have been skeptical about it happening.
William Boots" Del Biaggio III, who has offered to put up $200 million to bring an NHL team to Kansas City, recently expressed pessimism the NHL would move hockey out of a "great city" like Pittsburgh. The Penguins, buoyed by the success of young phenom and NHL scoring leader Sidney Crosby, are zooming toward the playoffs and are a hot ticket in town.
Lemieux, frustrated with the politics of replacing the NHL's oldest arena, issued a 30-day deadline of whether to accept Kansas City's offer to move into the Sprint Center. That timeline has now stretched to two months with no resolution.
When Lemieux's group bought the team in federal bankruptcy court in 1999, the Hall of Fame player said he did so to ensure the team's existence in Pittsburgh.
The Penguins' hardball negotiating stance comes with the team contending for a playoff spot for the first time in six years. A youthful team led by Crosby and rookies Evgeni Malkin and Jordan Staal has become one of the league's prime attendance draws.
At home, the Penguins are playing to nearly 96 percent of arena capacity for the season. All of their remaining nine home games are expected to attract standing-room-only crowds.
The Penguins also have begun selling season tickets for the 2007-08 season in Pittsburgh, even though they have not agreed to play there another season.
"They're tough negotiators," Rendell said.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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When your down three goals in the third to the team directly in front of you in the standings on their ice and can come back like that... un-fucking-believable.
Of course the bad news is that Fleury looked awful, but I have lots of faith in Thibault if he has to step in.
And don't get me wrong, I think Malkin is everything and more than he was hyped to be, but I think Staal has been more deserving of Calder Trophy discussions for a while now.
why would i want to jump on a bandwagon that lost 8 STRAIGHT TIMES TO THE GUINS?
becasue there wont be any other team in Pennsylvania anymore, except for the Flyers.
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becasue there wont be any other team in Pennsylvania anymore, except for the Flyers.
I'm pretty sure the phantoms could beat the flyers on any given day.
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I'm pretty sure the phantoms could beat the flyers on any given day.
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Another overtime win. The penguins are really showing they can come back from a deficit. They were losing 2-0 and came back and won 3-2 against the rangers today.
Well, finally the good news us pens fans have been waiting for. They made a deal and are going to stay in Pittsburgh. As if there was ever any doubt. Tonight hopefully we smoke the sabres in celebration.
We probably won't catch them, but to go to their place after nearly blowing it against Buffalo the night before and getting a shutout is huge.
And even though I knew they'd make the playoffs, if you had told me they'd only be six points back of leading the entire conference this late into it I probably wouldn't have believed you.
We probably won't catch them, but to go to their place after nearly blowing it against Buffalo the night before and getting a shutout is huge.
And even though I knew they'd make the playoffs, if you had told me they'd only be six points back of leading the entire conference this late into it I probably wouldn't have believed you.
Go Pens!
my sentiments exactly.
equally impressive to win a high flying game vs buffalo and then a grind it out, defensive battle against the devils. shows that these pens can play any style although they're more suited to the high flying, speed game.
Some people live off ugly "garbage" goals, and that is fine. Some guys get on the highlight reel 5 times a year, and that is impressive. But how is it hat EVERY goal this damn kid scores is a work of art? He beat a damn 1 on 4.
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Some people live off ugly "garbage" goals, and that is fine. Some guys get on the highlight reel 5 times a year, and that is impressive. But how is it hat EVERY goal this damn kid scores is a work of art? He beat a damn 1 on 4.
didnt see this goal but,
Sid The Kid did this very thing to my NYRs earlier this year, at The Garden.
He deeked the high forward in the Neutral Zone, then he split the 4 remaining traffic cones and scored a beauty.
Very impressive.
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the penguins are still very good, five games in seven nights is tiring and that showed last night. by the way, a rangers-penguins series would be exciting.
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couldnt quite pull it off last night. now lets just root for the devils to lose tonight.
stung even more having that poontang jagr score the winning goal with 30 seconds left...just like he scored in OT over thanksgivng break in pittsburgh. jagr used to be awesome...why is he such a tool now?
anyway....its still 26 wins in the past 33 games for the Pens. they are for real. cant wait for the playoffs. if we can pull off the 2 seed in the East...wow. the roof might blow off the civic arena.
couldnt quite pull it off last night. now lets just root for the devils to lose tonight.
stung even more having that poontang jagr score the winning goal with 30 seconds left...just like he scored in OT over thanksgivng break in pittsburgh. jagr used to be awesome...why is he such a tool now?
anyway....its still 26 wins in the past 33 games for the Pens. they are for real. cant wait for the playoffs. if we can pull off the 2 seed in the East...wow. the roof might blow off the civic arena.
Being a huge Pens fan, I still root for Jagr. If someone was going to win the game for the Rangers, I'm glad it was Jagr.
Why do you think he's such a tool? I have the utmost respect for him and he was the reason the Rangers had such a great season last year. Remember how far they got in the playoffs without him? Even if he can barely walk or hold his stick he'll be on the ice trying to win.
Pittsburgh couldn't afford to keep him and he was worth what he was asking based on other salaries around the league and the numbers he was putting up.
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Fleury was great but the rest of the team seemed tired. Hopefully we win tomorrow.
It is kind of funny how the penguins can play a crappy game and still win against the rangers.
With this gem of a season you guys are having,...its kinda funny that the Penguins will be the Kansas City Penguins very shortly.
well, you guys can always jump on the Flyer bandwagon.
good luck with that.
:rolleyes:
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The flyers will be better than the rangers next year. And who knows what will happen with the penguins. I want them to stay in Pittsburgh. That's where they belong. But I am from B.C.. So if they have to move it will suck, but for me at least it won't make that much of a difference. Enjoy your Jagr, especially when the playoffs come and he completely disapears. If he is even in the playoffs to begin with.
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Penguins to aggressively explore relocation
ESPN.com news services
PITTSBURGH -- The Penguins moved a step closer to leaving Pittsburgh, declaring on Monday an impasse in their new arena negotiations with state and local leaders and saying they will actively pursue relocation.
The breakdown in arena talks came only three days after Gov. Ed Rendell said he felt an agreement was close. It also increases the possibility the Penguins will be playing in Kansas City next season.
"We have made a single-minded effort to bring this new arena to a successful conclusion and keep the team in Pittsburgh," owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle said in a letter to Rendell and local government officials. "... Our good-faith efforts have not produced a deal, however, and have only added more anxiety to what we thought at best was a risky proposition for us moving forward."
In the letter, Lemieux and Burkle put the blame for the impasse on government officials, arguing they agreed to pay $120 million over 30 years to help build a $290 million arena and cover construction cost overruns, yet still have not reached a deal.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman became involved in the talks several weeks ago, but also has been unable to finalize an agreement.
"We can do no more," Lemieux, the longtime Penguins star, and Burkle said in the letter.
The Penguins had an agreement with Isle of Capri Casinos to build the arena at no expense to the team or taxpayers in exchange for a license to build a Pittsburgh slots casino, but a state board in December chose a competing bid.
On Jan. 4, the team, state, city and Allegheny County began negotiating an alternate arena funding plan. At the time, government officials were asking for the team to contribute about $4.1 million per year, but lowered that to $2.8 million during the first round of negotiations.
During subsequent talks, the Penguins agreed to up that annual contribution to $3.6 million, plus $400,000 in operating expenses, after the state said there was a funding shortfall. However, the two sides still could not close a deal.
Kansas City has offered its nearly completed Sprint Center to the Penguins rent-free. The Penguins would also gain revenue from development projects around the arena.
However, the Penguins would be leaving one of the NHL's strongest U.S. markets for a smaller one that lost an NHL team in 1976 after only two seasons because of lack of support. The Penguins' home attendance and local TV ratings are among the strongest of the 24 United States-based franchises.
Though the Pittsburgh-to-Kansas City buzz has kept both towns talking -- and wondering -- all winter, at least a couple of officials from Kansas City's end have been skeptical about it happening.
William Boots" Del Biaggio III, who has offered to put up $200 million to bring an NHL team to Kansas City, recently expressed pessimism the NHL would move hockey out of a "great city" like Pittsburgh. The Penguins, buoyed by the success of young phenom and NHL scoring leader Sidney Crosby, are zooming toward the playoffs and are a hot ticket in town.
Lemieux, frustrated with the politics of replacing the NHL's oldest arena, issued a 30-day deadline of whether to accept Kansas City's offer to move into the Sprint Center. That timeline has now stretched to two months with no resolution.
When Lemieux's group bought the team in federal bankruptcy court in 1999, the Hall of Fame player said he did so to ensure the team's existence in Pittsburgh.
The Penguins' hardball negotiating stance comes with the team contending for a playoff spot for the first time in six years. A youthful team led by Crosby and rookies Evgeni Malkin and Jordan Staal has become one of the league's prime attendance draws.
At home, the Penguins are playing to nearly 96 percent of arena capacity for the season. All of their remaining nine home games are expected to attract standing-room-only crowds.
The Penguins also have begun selling season tickets for the 2007-08 season in Pittsburgh, even though they have not agreed to play there another season.
"They're tough negotiators," Rendell said.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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I think it's safe to say the Pens are for real.
When your down three goals in the third to the team directly in front of you in the standings on their ice and can come back like that... un-fucking-believable.
Of course the bad news is that Fleury looked awful, but I have lots of faith in Thibault if he has to step in.
And don't get me wrong, I think Malkin is everything and more than he was hyped to be, but I think Staal has been more deserving of Calder Trophy discussions for a while now.
why would i want to jump on a bandwagon that lost 8 STRAIGHT TIMES TO THE GUINS?
becasue there wont be any other team in Pennsylvania anymore, except for the Flyers.
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I'm pretty sure the phantoms could beat the flyers on any given day.
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We probably won't catch them, but to go to their place after nearly blowing it against Buffalo the night before and getting a shutout is huge.
And even though I knew they'd make the playoffs, if you had told me they'd only be six points back of leading the entire conference this late into it I probably wouldn't have believed you.
Go Pens!
my sentiments exactly.
equally impressive to win a high flying game vs buffalo and then a grind it out, defensive battle against the devils. shows that these pens can play any style although they're more suited to the high flying, speed game.
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Shouldn't be too hard, with half the team shitting through a straw, half arguing about who sucks more than who, etc, etc :P
Ah my poor Habs.
edit: 2 all in the 2nd, my fingers are still crossed.
editedit: fack.
Some people live off ugly "garbage" goals, and that is fine. Some guys get on the highlight reel 5 times a year, and that is impressive. But how is it hat EVERY goal this damn kid scores is a work of art? He beat a damn 1 on 4.
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didnt see this goal but,
Sid The Kid did this very thing to my NYRs earlier this year, at The Garden.
He deeked the high forward in the Neutral Zone, then he split the 4 remaining traffic cones and scored a beauty.
Very impressive.
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The FSN Penguins-Habs broadcast showed that goal to compare it to the one tonight
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Dooby-dooby-doo...
Lets catch those little devils.
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doooby-doooby-dooo,.......
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stung even more having that poontang jagr score the winning goal with 30 seconds left...just like he scored in OT over thanksgivng break in pittsburgh. jagr used to be awesome...why is he such a tool now?
anyway....its still 26 wins in the past 33 games for the Pens. they are for real. cant wait for the playoffs. if we can pull off the 2 seed in the East...wow. the roof might blow off the civic arena.
Being a huge Pens fan, I still root for Jagr. If someone was going to win the game for the Rangers, I'm glad it was Jagr.
Why do you think he's such a tool? I have the utmost respect for him and he was the reason the Rangers had such a great season last year. Remember how far they got in the playoffs without him? Even if he can barely walk or hold his stick he'll be on the ice trying to win.
Pittsburgh couldn't afford to keep him and he was worth what he was asking based on other salaries around the league and the numbers he was putting up.