Would you send in a player in to intentionally hurt Tom Brady?

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Strangest Tribe wrote:

Let's stop talking about the Pats, I think the NE fans have clouded judgement.

Since when Is a 30-40 point lead not enough in the 3rd or 4th quarter?

If you think it's enough, most respectable coaches will try to eat up the clock with a running game and ball control offense. IF 4th down comes and they are in range they will still attempt a FG. Most respectable coaches won't go for it on fourth down and continue passing for the entire game.

At least this is how it has been in all my 42 years of being a football fan.

And I believe quite the opposite to be true. In professional sports you don't run the score up, YOU DO run the score up in High School and College for whatever reason...if given the chance.

You are correct about HS/college and amateur league games however you've it wrong when it comes to pro sports unless this is your personal rule.

Do you recall the Patriots-Miami earlier this year? Pats crushing in comes back up, Miami comes within 12 I think and in comes Brady to finish the game. They're lessons to be learned when a team takes OFF the peddle to the meddal attitude like taking a knee or kicking fgs or any of that nonsense.

Peace

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Strangest Tribe wrote:

No you don't stop swinging the bats...but you also don't , steal bases, bunt runners in sacrifice, or try to steal signs from the catcher. That would be rubbing it in.

You don't stop playing when you have a lead, you just don't continue to play like you would if the score is close.

If you steal a base when you're up by 10 runs, you're gonna get a fastball in your face when you come back up to bat.

Deny that

What did you EVER play baseball on a HS or college level? If your referring to a 10 run lead in the 5th inning and then you're supposed to TRY and play like the score is close. Huh, it's baseball you're talking about you can score 10 runs in a inning, there's not going to be one pro baseball team that's not going to steal just because you're up 10 in the 5th.

I played HS/college 1 yr then many years in A League Softball. I one particular game I'll never forget.....We were crushing this team 17-3 in the 4th and team decided to ease up, maybe not consciously but in our play and attitude. We got very sloppy in the 5th and I warned them this is a solid team and they ain't gonna lay down lightly. Well, sure enough they came back....all the way back and took the lead 20-17. We ended up in a bitter 26-26 tie, called due to elongated time limits.

Luckily that was early in the year our 4th game of 24 and as our team captain we never ever eased up after that ugly episode. We were put in our place and learned a very ugly lesson.

I think the Pats are going through something like that whether you agree with it or not but there's a method to the madness.

Peace

Strangest Tribe

g under p wrote:

What did you EVER play baseball on a HS or college level? If your referring to a 10 run lead in the 5th inning and then you're supposed to TRY and play like the score is close. Huh, it's baseball you're talking about you can score 10 runs in a inning, there's not going to be one pro baseball team that's not going to steal just because you're up 10 in the 5th.

I played HS/college 1 yr then many years in A League Softball. I one particular game I'll never forget.....We were crushing this team 17-3 in the 4th and team decided to ease up, maybe not consciously but in our play and attitude. We got very sloppy in the 5th and I warned them this is a solid team and they ain't gonna lay down lightly. Well, sure enough they came back....all the way back and took the lead 20-17. We ended up in a bitter 26-26 tie, called due to elongated time limits.

Luckily that was early in the year our 4th game of 24 and as our team captain we never ever eased up after that ugly episode. We were put in our place and learned a very ugly lesson.

I think the Pats are going through something like that whether you agree with it or not but there's a method to the madness.

Peace

Softball....I was on a softball team that hit 11 HRs in a game by the third inning we had launched all the tournament balls into the woods beyond the outfield they had to delay and then finally call the game because we ran out of official balls.

When we went to state (IL 1993 Class A) we had to change our game because each team was only allowed to hit only 4 HRs (out of the park) MSSSA rules at the time. We had three guys that regularly hit 4 per game and everyone else hit double figures in HRs during the season. A 10 run lead is nothing in softball just don't be down by 10 in the 5th inning.

But it's a rare occasion a MLB team scores 10 runs even in an entire game..so you still shouldn't steal a base with such a lead.

igotid88

I hope the Giants are the ones to stop the winning streak on the last game of the season. Too bad the game is gonna be on the NFL network and most people won't be able to watch it.

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Strangest Tribe wrote:

Softball....I was on a softball team that hit 11 HRs in a game by the third inning we had launched all the tournament balls into the woods beyond the outfield they had to delay and then finally call the game because we ran out of official balls.

When we went to state (IL 1993 Class A) we had to change our game because each team was only allowed to hit only 4 HRs (out of the park) MSSSA rules at the time. We had three guys that regularly hit 4 per game and everyone else hit double figures in HRs during the season. A 10 run lead is nothing in softball just don't be down by 10 in the 5th inning.

But it's a rare occasion a MLB team scores 10 runs even in an entire game..so you still shouldn't steal a base with such a lead.

I think I very well know that scenario in softball I believe when I gave you your instance of a 10 run lead in the the 5th I was referring to baseball. If you believe that statement well then take it any pro team and listen hard as to what they will tell you.

There's no crying in baseball they will continue to play hard that early in the game including stealing based on the scene you've stated.

Peace

nothingman44

igotid88 wrote:

I hope the Giants are the ones to stop the winning streak on the last game of the season. Too bad the game is gonna be on the NFL network and most people won't be able to watch it.

i'll be at that game...

if the pats are 15-0, i guarentee the pats come out firing and the game will be over by the middle of the 3rd quarter. eli will be flustered and wont know what to do with adalius thomas rushing at his grill.

Whizbang

bryn_cmbs wrote:

Going on it on 4th down with a 40+ point lead in the 4th is running up the score.

says who? the media? or the teams that are losing? the teams that are losing aren't saying a thing about the Pats....they're trying to figure out how to stop them. They get 4 chances to stop them from going 10 yards...if they can't do it, shame on them. Put a better team on the field. Tell me something...if you were on the field, up 40 points in the 4th, 4th down, what would you do? kneel on it...because you feel bad??? or better yet? you recover a fumble, 10 yards out...what do you do? "nah, we already have enough points, I'm not going to run it in for a TD". please....you'd play football, you'd go for it. you'd be out there to put points on the board, not to be nice.

pjhawks

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Ummm.....

So what do you do when your team sucks for 20+ years???

Gardening?

I'm a sports fan, and there's always room on the wagon with you and all the other hypocrites that toss this argument around.

well I live in Philly area so my teams mostly suck - but I don't go cheer for someone else. I live and die with them and when one of them finally breaks through and wins us a championship I'm gonna cry like a baby and party like it's New Years.

South of Seattle

Troy Polamalu will hurt Tom Brady, but not on purpose. Watch out for the Safety Blitz Tom!

Danimal

In order to address the complaints and hurt feelings of the rest of the NFL, the commissioner has adopted 11 new “Special Rules” for all New England Patriots games. They take effect immediately, and are as follows:

Special Rules for the Patriots

1) In the course of an NFL game, if the Patriots go up by more than 31 points, they are not allowed to play offense until the opposing team draws to within one score. (Pats will kick-off after an opposing team's touchdown or FG).

a) Once the team is within one score, the Pats offense may play, but Tom Brady may not, unless:

i) the Pats play with 8 players (including Tom), or

ii) the Pats play with 9 players, but 1 player for the Patriots is chosen by the opposing team from the stands.

b) no Patriots linebacker is allowed to play offense, unless that LB is inserted at quarterback. However, Mike Vrabel cannot be quarterback.

2) If an opposing player states "It's like were playing 7-on-5s" (7 offense, 5 defense during practice), such as indicated by Justin Smith, DE, Cincinnati Bengels 10/1/07, the Patriots must take a time out and serve ice cold lemonade or hot tea (weather dependent) to the opposing team. Scones are optional.

3) Once the 31 pt rule is in effect, Patriots may challenge any play, but the opposing team gets veto power over the referee.

4) Once the Pats offense is allowed back onto the field (7 pts), for any forward pass the Pats QB must point to the receiver and call out his number BEFORE passing. If Tom Brady is quarterbacking at the time, he must do that, plus turn the opposing team's water cooler into wine BEFORE passing.

5) Belichick must diagram any Patriots play to the opposing defense and ensure they understand exactly how to disrupt the play. This all must be done within the play clock. If this process is not complete prior to the play clock expiring, the Patriots will be assessed a delay of game and double unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

6) Randy Moss must play with 10lb ankle weights on each ankle. An additional pound will be added for each TD this season.

7) Wes Welker is not allowed to have "that crazy look" in his eyes. 10 yd, "crazy eyes" penalty assessed.

8) Tom Brady must immediately stop dating supermodels as he will not be allowed to date anyone that is more attractive then the least attractive significant other of an opposing team member (including coaches). He also must start doing commercials for every product imaginable, especially ones where he chants "cut that meat!" or refers to himself "as a 6'5" quarterback with a laser-rocket arm"

9) Bill Belichick is not allowed to be within 100 yds of any infant, for fear that his evil supergenius powers would assimilate such a defenseless creature into the Patriots System. We have already seen this effect on an inordinate amount of chipmunks, squirrels, and 'possum that commit suicide while crossing Rte 1 to reach Gillette Stadium.

10) Patriots must respect all opposing players feelings and apologize for every first down. Touchdowns must be followed by a written apology and a fruit basket presented with a hug.



11) Any Patriots defensive player rushing and within 5 yards of the opposing team's quarterback must dance and sing two verses of the hokey pokey before making contact with said quarterback.

JSBE

from today's boston.com:

Belichick also explained why he went for it on fourth down twice in the third quarter. The first time was on the opening drive of the second half and resulted in a Benjamin Watson 3-yard touchdown catch that gave the Patriots a 42-7 lead. The second time was on fourth and 1 from the Bills' 10 late in the third quarter with New England holding a 42-10 advantage.

"Those situations, that point in the game I think I really don't like kicking field goals," said Belichick. "I feel like that's just adding points, so I'd rather go for it on fourth down and give them an opportunity to stop us. Our offense moved the ball well, so give them an opportunity to keep playing."

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Danimal wrote:

In order to address the complaints and hurt feelings of the rest of the NFL, the commissioner has adopted 11 new “Special Rules” for all New England Patriots games. They take effect immediately, and are as follows:

Special Rules for the Patriots

1) In the course of an NFL game, if the Patriots go up by more than 31 points, they are not allowed to play offense until the opposing team draws to within one score. (Pats will kick-off after an opposing team's touchdown or FG).

a) Once the team is within one score, the Pats offense may play, but Tom Brady may not, unless:

i) the Pats play with 8 players (including Tom), or

ii) the Pats play with 9 players, but 1 player for the Patriots is chosen by the opposing team from the stands.

b) no Patriots linebacker is allowed to play offense, unless that LB is inserted at quarterback. However, Mike Vrabel cannot be quarterback.

2) If an opposing player states "It's like were playing 7-on-5s" (7 offense, 5 defense during practice), such as indicated by Justin Smith, DE, Cincinnati Bengels 10/1/07, the Patriots must take a time out and serve ice cold lemonade or hot tea (weather dependent) to the opposing team. Scones are optional.

3) Once the 31 pt rule is in effect, Patriots may challenge any play, but the opposing team gets veto power over the referee.

4) Once the Pats offense is allowed back onto the field (7 pts), for any forward pass the Pats QB must point to the receiver and call out his number BEFORE passing. If Tom Brady is quarterbacking at the time, he must do that, plus turn the opposing team's water cooler into wine BEFORE passing.

5) Belichick must diagram any Patriots play to the opposing defense and ensure they understand exactly how to disrupt the play. This all must be done within the play clock. If this process is not complete prior to the play clock expiring, the Patriots will be assessed a delay of game and double unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

6) Randy Moss must play with 10lb ankle weights on each ankle. An additional pound will be added for each TD this season.

7) Wes Welker is not allowed to have "that crazy look" in his eyes. 10 yd, "crazy eyes" penalty assessed.

8) Tom Brady must immediately stop dating supermodels as he will not be allowed to date anyone that is more attractive then the least attractive significant other of an opposing team member (including coaches). He also must start doing commercials for every product imaginable, especially ones where he chants "cut that meat!" or refers to himself "as a 6'5" quarterback with a laser-rocket arm"

9) Bill Belichick is not allowed to be within 100 yds of any infant, for fear that his evil supergenius powers would assimilate such a defenseless creature into the Patriots System. We have already seen this effect on an inordinate amount of chipmunks, squirrels, and 'possum that commit suicide while crossing Rte 1 to reach Gillette Stadium.

10) Patriots must respect all opposing players feelings and apologize for every first down. Touchdowns must be followed by a written apology and a fruit basket presented with a hug.



11) Any Patriots defensive player rushing and within 5 yards of the opposing team's quarterback must dance and sing two verses of the hokey pokey before making contact with said quarterback.

BRILLIANT! and FUNNY

Peace

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JSBE wrote:

from today's boston.com:

Belichick also explained why he went for it on fourth down twice in the third quarter. The first time was on the opening drive of the second half and resulted in a Benjamin Watson 3-yard touchdown catch that gave the Patriots a 42-7 lead. The second time was on fourth and 1 from the Bills' 10 late in the third quarter with New England holding a 42-10 advantage.

"Those situations, that point in the game I think I really don't like kicking field goals," said Belichick. "I feel like that's just adding points, so I'd rather go for it on fourth down and give them an opportunity to stop us. Our offense moved the ball well, so give them an opportunity to keep playing."

Great answer never thought of it from that aspect. In that sense the football sense that is the TRUE sense of sportmanship.

Also if the Pats were stopped on 4th down that play alone could revive them back into the game, that's sportsmanship!

Get the picture now ST.

Peace

pjhawks

g under p wrote:

Great answer never thought of it from that aspect. In that sense the football sense that is the TRUE sense of sportmanship.

Also if the Pats were stopped on 4th down that play alone could revive them back into the game, that's sportsmanship!

Get the picture now ST.

Peace

so because Belli-cheat gives that as an answers it's gotta be true. remember he is a convicted cheater, why should we believe anything he says?

my2hands

bryn_cmbs wrote:

If you where coaching against the Pats and Belichick had him in the game still throwing the ball trying to run up the score with the Pats already up by 21 or more in the 4th quarter?

I would.

no

stop whining and fucking beat them

JSBE

pjhawks wrote:

so because Belli-cheat gives that as an answers it's gotta be true. remember he is a convicted cheater, why should we believe anything he says?

ha ha. belli-cheat. you're killing me. where do you come up with this stuff? that's so original and funny...and original.

hey, how many super bowls has andy reid won?

Danimal

JSBE wrote:

ha ha. belli-cheat. you're killing me. where do you come up with this stuff? that's so original and funny...and original.

I KNOW that was a riot!!! I just told all my friends and we are crying LAUGHING!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I didn't know Seinfeld was a Pearl Jam Fan. That's awesome!

josevolution

pats favored by at least 17 against the eagles and they are a 500 team,

by how much do you think they will be favored over the 2 -8 jets in there game, time to put some $ and take the points ....

ryan198

jose,
the number in that game has got to be close to +30, but I have a thought that no one has broached yet. There was some serious consideration to force the Patriots to forfeit that opening game win, but it was ruled out most likely because there would have been some gaming issues in Vegas over how to award a winner in the game. So you really think a $500,000 fine and taking about the 32nd pick in the draft (when they are going to end up with a #2/3) is really where their punishment is going to stop? I have a feeling that the Pats will have to play that game with all the rules posted before, or that the Jets will get to have 13 men on the field at all times.

Either that or Goodell is going to take away the 32nd pick for the Pats and award the Jets with the 3rd pick which is what should be done. For if you really want to punish a team for cheating you have to actually punish them not give them a bogus fine (there are no rules saying Kraft can't award Bellytits a $500k bonus at the end of the year), and take away a late draft pick. If they actually had to wait until the end of the 2nd round to draft, PLUS watch helplessly as the new #81 goes in to free agency and signs to play side-by-side with the original #81 the balance of power in the NFL would dramatically shift. Which is what should happen when you get caught cheating.

Poncier

ryan198 wrote:

There was some serious consideration to force the Patriots to forfeit that opening game win, but it was ruled out most likely because there would have been some gaming issues in Vegas over how to award a winner in the game.

Don't make things up.
Goodell never considered forfeiture as the Pats never saw the tape which was confiscated 7 minutes into the game.

And had he considered forfeiture, his decision would have nothing to do with how Vegas would view the game.
The NFL does not acknowledge point spreads and gambling on its games. They know it exists but it does not otherwise get mention in the league office.
Thats an absurd theory.

And if you've ever gambled you know the answer would be that all bets on the game would be cancelled if there was a forfeeit.