What I am saying is there is nothing wrong with reinforcing and reminding people of laws, and shaming those who are not with the program. If the protest caused just a handful of people to become aware that it is against the law and against their employer policies to show breastfeeding moms to the changing room, then that was worth it.
Well that is definitely true. It's never a bad thing to spread information! If the laws regarding breastfeeding, as well as the importance of breastfeeding, were more well-known in the first place, we wouldn't have to have this discussion! And we wouldn't need to carry information about state laws in our diaper bags!
of course it makes sense. but sometimes you just got to hit them over the head with it as well, you know.
That is true. You know, I'm not really a "hit them over the head with it" kind of person in my daily life, so that's probably why I personally favor what I described. (Yes, I know that's hard to believe, since I have made like a million posts in this thread..lol! I'm just really chatty today for some reason, and I feel strongly about this. )
Originally Posted by Vedderfan10
And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...
I have to agree with Vedderfan10- a little modesty shows that you have some respect for the people around you. I respect that you need to feed your child.
H&M was not stopping her from feeding her child, they just asked that she be a bit more modest about it and go into the changing room. I know that some rooms are small, other's are not. At the H&M where I live the room is big enough to hold a stroller- and there is a seat to get comfortable.
Again- her right to feed the baby was not stopped by the store.
i mean honestly what the hell are those women doing wasting that gorgeous breast full of life sustaining milk on some screaming baby while there are men who could be totally amusing themselves with it.
father i want to kill you... mother i want to ....
Look, I think the problem is, that as a whole in western society, women think that they own their breasts and the fact remains that clearly they do not. :rolleyes: Sure they're attached to us but we are not in charge of them, they don't really belong to us. What we do with them is not up to us, clearly society as a whole dictates what women can and cannot do when it comes to their own breasts.
It's part of that whole thing that a woman loses her sexuality once she becomes a Mummy and therefore she's got to keep the ta-tas locked up. :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I'm surprised that more people aren't advocating the burkhas.
ooh side note, now that I think of it, after 30 odd years of men talking to my breasts I'm kinda glad that I've not had to breastfeed in public I can quite imagine the hoo ha if my technique wasn't suitably restrained and discreet and frankly I shudder to think what a balancing act trying to wrestle one of my already ample bossoms, swollen with breast milk from a brassiere (my natural enemy) would end like. Bound to drop the baby and cause all kinds of scenes. Wouldn't folk get an eyeful then?
Look, I think the problem is, that as a whole in western society, women think that they own their breasts and the fact remains that clearly they do not. :rolleyes: Sure they're attached to us but we are not in charge of them, they don't really belong to us. What we do with them is not up to us, clearly society as a whole dictates what women can and cannot do when it comes to their own breasts.
It's part of that whole thing that a woman loses her sexuality once she becomes a Mummy and therefore she's got to keep the ta-tas locked up. :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I'm surprised that more people aren't advocating the burkhas. : D
ooh side note, now that I think of it, after 30 odd years of men talking to my breasts I'm kinda glad that I've not had to breastfeed in public I can quite imagine the hoo ha if my technique wasn't suitably restrained and discreet and frankly I shudder to think what a balancing act trying to wrestle one of my already ample bossoms, swollen with breast milk from a braziere (my natural enemy) would end like. Bound to drop the baby and cause all kinds of scenes. Wouldn't folk get an eyeful then? ; )
not to mention taking your baby away from you cause clearly you are an incompetant mother for dropping the little tike. probably on drugs too.
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Originally Posted by Vedderfan10
And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...
I have to agree with Vedderfan10- a little modesty shows that you have some respect for the people around you. I respect that you need to feed your child.
H&M was not stopping her from feeding her child, they just asked that she be a bit more modest about it and go into the changing room. I know that some rooms are small, other's are not. At the H&M where I live the room is big enough to hold a stroller- and there is a seat to get comfortable.
Again- her right to feed the baby was not stopped by the store.
Will you be covering up the Hooters girls too then? Or advocating burkhas for all women?
I don't know about you but you can barely swing a cat in a change room and the bench seats are generally too hard to sit on and uncomfortably narrow anyway, EVEN supposing they have a seat. (breast feeding on the change room floor anyone?) BEFORE you add the stroller, the cape, (coz lets face it there's probably a security guy on camera somewhere getting his jollies) there's nowhere to do much of anything really. But it's cool, in the name of "selective discretion" lets bundle the women off somewhere to jump through hoops for the benefit of those with some severely fucked up attitudes to the female of the species. As long as people's highly questionable morals and sensibilities aren't infringed all is well in the world.
not to mention taking your baby away from you cause clearly you are an incompetant mother for dropping the little tike. probably on drugs too.
Well you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they did, supposing I had for some strange reason not committed murderous intent on my offspring and had an abortion to begin with, supposing I'd actually given birth and was even attempting to leave the house and breastfeed, well there's a really good chance I'd be one of those lepers of society, the single mother :eek: anyway on account clearly my judgement would be severely lacking no matter what option I took and given my "luck" with the fellas I can't imagine there'd actually be a baby daddy in the picture, so I'd already be facing a huge outcry from the moral majority. So sure why not question my sexual activity, my mental prowess, and my compentancy as well? I'm bound to be a drug addict and a whore to boot! Hell, I'm a woman, I've learned to expect this shit my whole life. You know, I'll say it again, sometimes I really wish I'd been born with a dick. Life is easier with a dick.
Will you be covering up the Hooters girls too then? Or advocating burkhas for all women?
I don't know about you but you can barely swing a cat in a change room and the bench seats are generally too hard to sit on and uncomfortably narrow anyway, EVEN supposing they have a seat. (breast feeding on the change room floor anyone?) BEFORE you add the stroller, the cape, (coz lets face it there's probably a security guy on camera somewhere getting his jollies) there's nowhere to do much of anything really. But it's cool, in the name of "selective discretion" lets bundle the women off somewhere to jump through hoops for the benefit of those with some severely fucked up attitudes to the female of the species. As long as people's highly questionable morals and sensibilities aren't infringed all is well in the world.
no burkhas, only if you want to - and the Hooters can cover up if they want to. Its their right to be skimpy or covered up. As it is your right to breastfeed.
But what about the right of the others around you. I don't go to Hooters because I don't want to see the scanty clad women. I have a choice on that. Where is my right to be comfortable when I'm out and about? Yes, I can turn away when someone is breastfeeding- but now my right to not see it is gone, when that choice is taken way from me.
Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.
And I would think any chair would be comfortable than standing in the middle of the store.
no burkhas, only if you want to - and the Hooters can cover up if they want to. Its their right to be skimpy or covered up. As it is your right to breastfeed.
But what about the right of the others around you. I don't go to Hooters because I don't want to see the scanty clad women. I have a choice on that. Where is my right to be comfortable when I'm out and about? Yes, I can turn away when someone is breastfeeding- but now my right to not see it is gone, when that choice is taken way from me.
Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.
And I would think any chair would be comfortable than standing in the middle of the store.
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no burkhas, only if you want to - and the Hooters can cover up if they want to. Its their right to be skimpy or covered up. As it is your right to breastfeed.
But what about the right of the others around you. I don't go to Hooters because I don't want to see the scanty clad women. I have a choice on that. Where is my right to be comfortable when I'm out and about? Yes, I can turn away when someone is breastfeeding- but now my right to not see it is gone, when that choice is taken way from me.
Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.
And I would think any chair would be comfortable than standing in the middle of the store.
So let me get this straight? Burkhas only if I want to but a baby burkha for feeding my (mythical at this stage) baby is mandatory? That if I'm breast feeding I have to be pure and chaste and use discretion so as not to offend others whose choice is taken away and are scarred for life by the terrible image of my breast feeding my child because that's so much more offensive than turning on the tele or walking past a billboard or strolling along the beach looking at all kinds of boobies in varying states of exposure?
Who is looking out for my interests when I've inadvertantly been going about my day and seen topless men on Calvin Kline billboards scorching my eyes? WHO has been concerned with my choice not to view on the NUMEROUS occassions I've had the misfortune to see a male penis whilst going about my day? What about those drooling disabled people that insist on eating in public with their families that have the potential to turn my stomach? What about the drunken idiots who stagger out of the pub and throw up on the pavement in front of me, who's policing their behaviour? What about those charming individuals that spit in public? Who is insisting that they dress a certain way, use discretion, develop techniques not to offend others?
Seriously if people going about their business offends you and you're frightened of what you'll see, hmmm....maybe don't leave the house? There are people out there with all kinds of heinous behaviour flaws that you are gonna come across in a life. Breastfeeding mothers really aren't even in the same ball park.
Oh and if a woman wants to breastfeed, who the fuck am I to tell her what technique to use? If standing to feed is what makes her and her baby comfortable and it's easier for them both then so be it. I couldn't care less if someone lay on their back in the middle of the street to do it if that was the best technique for them.
...Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.
Sorry, missed this.
So if my intent is to breast feed when I whip it out then I need to be conscientous about it but if it's purely for titivation purposes I'm not required to be conscientous?
So let me get this straight? Burkhas only if I want to but a baby burkha for feeding my (mythical at this stage) baby is mandatory? That if I'm breast feeding I have to be pure and chaste and use discretion so as not to offend others whose choice is taken away and are scarred for life by the terrible image of my breast feeding my child because that's so much more offensive than turning on the tele or walking past a billboard or strolling along the beach looking at all kinds of boobies in varying states of exposure?
Who is looking out for my interests when I've inadvertantly been going about my day and seen topless men on Calvin Kline billboards scorching my eyes? WHO has been concerned with my choice not to view on the NUMEROUS occassions I've had the misfortune to see a male penis whilst going about my day? What about those drooling disabled people that insist on eating in public with their families that have the potential to turn my stomach? What about the drunken idiots who stagger out of the pub and throw up on the pavement in front of me, who's policing their behaviour? What about those charming individuals that spit in public? Who is insisting that they dress a certain way, use discretion, develop techniques not to offend others?
Seriously if people going about their business offends you and you're frightened of what you'll see, hmmm....maybe don't leave the house? There are people out there with all kinds of heinous behaviour flaws that you are gonna come across in a life. Breastfeeding mothers really aren't even in the same ball park.
Oh and if a woman wants to breastfeed, who the fuck am I to tell her what technique to use? If standing to feed is what makes her and her baby comfortable and it's easier for them both then so be it. I couldn't care less if someone lay on their back in the middle of the street to do it if that was the best technique for them.
Yes the world is cruel and unjust to women- I am a woman and I know about it- Yes there are double standards-
Again, breastfeed your baby when you want to- but what is the problem with being discrete? Is modesty a bad thing?
There are things that I don't look at and are offended by. As I said, I turn way-sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. If I don't like something I don't go there or support the store, etc...
But what about my rights? They don't count- only women who are breastfeeding should have rights?
Yes the world is cruel and unjust to women- I am a woman and I know about it- Yes there are double standards-
Again, breastfeed your baby when you want to- but what is the problem with being discrete? Is modesty a bad thing?
There are things that I don't look at and are offended by. As I said, I turn way-sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. If I don't like something I don't go there or support the store, etc...
But what about my rights? They don't count- only women who are breastfeeding should have rights?
and what exactly offends you that you cant turn away from?
your rights? sure you have the right to move freely about. you certainly dont have to stand there and be subjected to some mother feeding her child, whose right it is to be fed.
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and what exactly offends you that you cant turn away from?
your rights? sure you have the right to move freely about. you certainly dont have to stand there and be subjected to some mother feeding her child, whose right it is to be fed.
It's not about being offended, but whats the problem with being discrete? From what I've seen, some (not all) just whip it out without consideration. I don't want to see your breast- it has nothing to do with sexuality or nurturing your child. Just be considerate of other's around you.
It's not about being offended, but whats the problem with being discrete? From what I've seen, some (not all) just whip it out without consideration. I don't want to see your breast- it has nothing to do with sexuality or nurturing your child. Just be considerate of other's around you.
if its not about being offended then whats the problem?
my only consideration is for my hungry child. sure i will be as discreet as i can. but if for some reason i am unable to secrete myself away from the delicate eyes of the public whilst feeding my child then im sorry but you are not my concern.
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Yes the world is cruel and unjust to women- I am a woman and I know about it- Yes there are double standards-
Again, breastfeed your baby when you want to- but what is the problem with being discrete? Is modesty a bad thing?
There are things that I don't look at and are offended by. As I said, I turn way-sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. If I don't like something I don't go there or support the store, etc...
But what about my rights? They don't count- only women who are breastfeeding should have rights?
Well it seems to me that the rights of breastfeeding mothers have been sorely overlooked if a society that has no problem with topless women serving them and their children food is acceptable but using your breast to nourish your child has a whole bunch of rules and regulations attached to it. Bottom line you leave the house you're gonna come across people and sure they're gonna do things that you don't like or don't want to see. I really don't see why it's necessary to have to take into consideration the thoughts and feelings of every single person around you and make sure that you are appeasing everybody while your baby screams to be fed. It's just not practical, so ultimately the baby needs to be fed and it should be, if other people then want to judge your technique or actions well I guess they don't have enough to think about in a day.
As a woman surely you are sick and tired of all the rules and regulations, the standards and opinions that people place on your very existence?
Personally I think if you see something you don't like you have the right to look away or take action, I guess I'd save my action and protest for things like people perpetrating violence against each other, something that American society as a whole seems to have a general blaseness about. I don't understand the puritanical, judgemental attitude (not saying you here) to the naked form WHATEVER people happen to be doing while they're naked.
if its not about being offended then whats the problem?
my only consideration is for my hungry child. sure i will be as discreet as i can. but if for some reason i am unable to secrete myself away from the delicate eyes of the public whilst feeding my child then im sorry but you are not my concern.
my thing is this:
No one said your child should not be fed when it is hungry. But is taking a few moments to go somewhere less public than the middle of the store so wrong?
I don't think we are talking about the same types of people, I'm referring (as someone else so delicately put it!) to the "pigs" who will merrily flop their boob out anywhere they like becasue they just don't give a damn about anybody else's feeling or whether it is an appropriate place.
Just reading through this thread again, and as stated by many, most women BF discretely when in public. The "pigs" you refer to are the one's that highlighted the intolerance of society only until a few years ago, and through their protest and raising of awareness in many countries, made it illegal to ask a BF mother to move on. These were the days of women being told to take their babies to the public toilet to feed them. Would you eat your lunch in a toilet? When it appears that attitudes are going backwards, the "pigs" will keep the issue in the limelight. More power to em!
I totally agree with you, I just don't buy the argument that this particular woman couldn't have found a more suitable and practical place to feed her child. Like someone else said, most women in this situation would go and find a bench or a cafe or the food court in a shopping centre - that's just plain logic to me.
Again, sometimes, with a screaming baby on your hands, the only thing to do is put them to the breast. I might add that breastfeeding is not just about nourishment, it's also a comfort to a distressed baby.
I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. There is much scientific evidence to show that a human female's breasts are primarily there for sexual attraction. Only a small percentage of a breast is made up of mammary glands which produce milk, the rest is made up of fat and conjunctive tissue. Many primates have a flat chest with a long nipple, which is far more conducive to breast feeding as it allows the baby to breath properly. Essentially what all this means, is that if breasts were only there for feeding purposes they wouldn't need to be anywhere near the size they are. There's a longer explanation as to why they have evolved to be bigger over time, which I will happily find you a link for.
Actually, it is. My statement was OVERLY sexualized. There was a time through westernized history where breastfeeding was utterly frowned upon, and babies were fed milk from other animals via a plastic bottle. This was the norm. As a result of this, the PRIMARY purpose of the breast was forgotten, society evolved into one of intolerance and breasts became PRIMARILY sexual objects.
And, sorry, you're wrong about the constitution of the breast. The mammary glands themselves make up a portion of the breast, you then have primary, secondary and tertiary milk ducts, which are held together by a network of connective tissue. In a woman of average weight, there actually isn't a lot of fat within the breast. All of the tissue involved in the breast and nipple are there to facilitate breastfeeding, right down to the sensitivity of the nipple. If a baby is attached incorrectly, the mother will feel it because the nipple is so sensitive. And if he's attached incorrectly, he will not empty the breast properly and will not be nourished properly.
When humans became bipeds and began walking upright, it was necessary for the breast tissue to evolve to accommodate feeding in an upright position. With a completely flat chest, as well as an infant who has evolved and lost the ability to hold onto its mother, BF would prove very difficult.
Not saying breasts don't serve a sexual purpose or play a role in attracting a mate, but the have been OVERLY sexualized in western societies.
How you would have any way of quantifying your beliefs I do not know. And once again I think we are talking about different types of people. I'm referring to people who allow their toddlers to sleep in bed with them, who breast feed til 4 years + (or eight years as was posted in that video! :eek: ), and who generally do everything they can to prevent their child developing a sense of independence (albeit unknowingly).
These aren't beliefs, they are facts. The vast majority of the world population raise their babies in arms. They co-sleep and have family beds. It's definitely not the norm in western culture, but from Asia to Zimbabwe, from Africa to the Middle East, this is the normal and expected way to parent. Babies are strapped to their mothers bodies day and night, they are fed when they demand to be fed, they sleep with their parents, then their siblings, and on average are weaned at around 4 years of age. Allowing an infant unlimited and unobstructed access to its mother and her breasts, for food, comfort, security actually helps to develop a very secure, independent child because they have made the separation from their mother when they were ready to. Contrary to what people might believe, and yes it's a belief, attachment parents encourages independence rather than prevents it. The research and studies are available if you want to find it. From personal experience, I used attachment parenting with my youngest child, I wish I had with all of them. He slept in our bed until he was five, when he decided himself that he wanted a big boy bed. I breastfed him for two and a half years, at which point he weaned himself. There was no trauma involved, no having to deny him, he simply wasn't interested anymore. He's 12 years old now, and probably my most independent and resilient child. He's confident, compassionate, loving, funny, extremely sensitive to other peoples feelings and moods. Quite the contrast to the view that children who are parented like this are insecure, introverted, dependent and somehow damaged by the process.
I'm sorry but just because someone has a baby, doesn't give them a god-given right to completely disregard the feelings or thoughts of others. Reading though the cross-section of opinions on this thread ought to give you some idea of people's differing opinions in society.
You're right about this, it doesn't give them to right to disregard peoples feelings. Circling back, most mothers BF discretely. I can't say the same for bottle feeding mothers, but oddly, NO ONE has a problem with that.
Dammit, apparently I don't know how to do the whole quote feedback thingy!
my thing is this:
No one said your child should not be fed when it is hungry. But is taking a few moments to go somewhere less public than the middle of the store so wrong?
if it is convenient and comfortable for the mother to do so, sure i agree with you. i cant see me plopping myself down in one of IKEA'S faux room settings to feed my child, but i wouldnt be disgusted if another mother chose to do so.
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no burkhas, only if you want to - and the Hooters can cover up if they want to. Its their right to be skimpy or covered up. As it is your right to breastfeed. But what about the right of the others around you. I don't go to Hooters because I don't want to see the scanty clad women. I have a choice on that. Where is my right to be comfortable when I'm out and about? Yes, I can turn away when someone is breastfeeding- but now my right to not see it is gone, when that choice is taken way from me.
Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.
And I would think any chair would be comfortable than standing in the middle of the store.
if it is convenient and comforatable for the mother to do, sure i agree with you. i cant see me plopping myself down in one of IKEA'S faux room settings to feed my child, but i wouldnt be disgusted if another mother chose to do so.
its not about being disgusted if they breastfed their child, but more on the lines of is there a better place to do it than amongst the clothes in the store. Will taking a moment cause irreparable damage to the child if they don't get fed that second?
its not about being disgusted if they breastfed their child, but more on the lines of is there a better place to do it than amongst the clothes in the store. Will taking a moment cause irreparable damage to the child if they don't get fed that second?
did you not read my post? i said if it is convenient and comfortable for the mother. no mention of damage to a waiting baby. or even an acknowledgement that that is an issue.
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did you not read my post? i said if it is convenient and comfortable for the mother. no mention of damage to a waiting baby. or even an acknowledgement that that is an issue.
When you say "convenient and comfortable for the mother"- what does that mean?
Isn't that what this whole thread is about? The convenience of breastfeeding when you want regardless of the place, and the people around you.
I'm just saying that you don't have the right to never see anything you don't want to see. No right here has ever been established on your part. The rights of breastfeeding women have been established.
There are plenty of things people may not want to see. Some people don't ever want to see men with long hair, or ugly people, or tattoos, or people with disabilities. Do they have a right to not see these things? Nope. And you don't have a right to not see a woman breastfeed.
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Well that is definitely true. It's never a bad thing to spread information! If the laws regarding breastfeeding, as well as the importance of breastfeeding, were more well-known in the first place, we wouldn't have to have this discussion! And we wouldn't need to carry information about state laws in our diaper bags!
That is true. You know, I'm not really a "hit them over the head with it" kind of person in my daily life, so that's probably why I personally favor what I described. (Yes, I know that's hard to believe, since I have made like a million posts in this thread..lol! I'm just really chatty today for some reason, and I feel strongly about this.
And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...
I have to agree with Vedderfan10- a little modesty shows that you have some respect for the people around you. I respect that you need to feed your child.
H&M was not stopping her from feeding her child, they just asked that she be a bit more modest about it and go into the changing room. I know that some rooms are small, other's are not. At the H&M where I live the room is big enough to hold a stroller- and there is a seat to get comfortable.
Again- her right to feed the baby was not stopped by the store.
Look, I think the problem is, that as a whole in western society, women think that they own their breasts and the fact remains that clearly they do not. :rolleyes: Sure they're attached to us but we are not in charge of them, they don't really belong to us. What we do with them is not up to us, clearly society as a whole dictates what women can and cannot do when it comes to their own breasts.
It's part of that whole thing that a woman loses her sexuality once she becomes a Mummy and therefore she's got to keep the ta-tas locked up. :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I'm surprised that more people aren't advocating the burkhas.
ooh side note, now that I think of it, after 30 odd years of men talking to my breasts I'm kinda glad that I've not had to breastfeed in public I can quite imagine the hoo ha if my technique wasn't suitably restrained and discreet and frankly I shudder to think what a balancing act trying to wrestle one of my already ample bossoms, swollen with breast milk from a brassiere (my natural enemy) would end like. Bound to drop the baby and cause all kinds of scenes.
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not to mention taking your baby away from you cause clearly you are an incompetant mother for dropping the little tike. probably on drugs too.
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Will you be covering up the Hooters girls too then? Or advocating burkhas for all women?
I don't know about you but you can barely swing a cat in a change room and the bench seats are generally too hard to sit on and uncomfortably narrow anyway, EVEN supposing they have a seat. (breast feeding on the change room floor anyone?) BEFORE you add the stroller, the cape, (coz lets face it there's probably a security guy on camera somewhere getting his jollies) there's nowhere to do much of anything really. But it's cool, in the name of "selective discretion" lets bundle the women off somewhere to jump through hoops for the benefit of those with some severely fucked up attitudes to the female of the species. As long as people's highly questionable morals and sensibilities aren't infringed all is well in the world.
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now what made you do THAT?!
Well you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they did, supposing I had for some strange reason not committed murderous intent on my offspring and had an abortion to begin with, supposing I'd actually given birth and was even attempting to leave the house and breastfeed, well there's a really good chance I'd be one of those lepers of society, the single mother :eek: anyway on account clearly my judgement would be severely lacking no matter what option I took and given my "luck" with the fellas I can't imagine there'd actually be a baby daddy in the picture, so I'd already be facing a huge outcry from the moral majority. So sure why not question my sexual activity, my mental prowess, and my compentancy as well? I'm bound to be a drug addict and a whore to boot! Hell, I'm a woman, I've learned to expect this shit my whole life. You know, I'll say it again, sometimes I really wish I'd been born with a dick. Life is easier with a dick.
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no burkhas, only if you want to - and the Hooters can cover up if they want to. Its their right to be skimpy or covered up. As it is your right to breastfeed.
But what about the right of the others around you. I don't go to Hooters because I don't want to see the scanty clad women. I have a choice on that. Where is my right to be comfortable when I'm out and about? Yes, I can turn away when someone is breastfeeding- but now my right to not see it is gone, when that choice is taken way from me.
Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.
And I would think any chair would be comfortable than standing in the middle of the store.
Ever tried to wrestle a bra onto your personage cb?
I liken it to swinging cats.
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sustaining good posture whilst breastfeeding is important.
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So let me get this straight?
Who is looking out for my interests when I've inadvertantly been going about my day and seen topless men on Calvin Kline billboards scorching my eyes? WHO has been concerned with my choice not to view on the NUMEROUS occassions I've had the misfortune to see a male penis whilst going about my day? What about those drooling disabled people that insist on eating in public with their families that have the potential to turn my stomach? What about the drunken idiots who stagger out of the pub and throw up on the pavement in front of me, who's policing their behaviour? What about those charming individuals that spit in public? Who is insisting that they dress a certain way, use discretion, develop techniques not to offend others?
Seriously if people going about their business offends you and you're frightened of what you'll see, hmmm....maybe don't leave the house? There are people out there with all kinds of heinous behaviour flaws that you are gonna come across in a life. Breastfeeding mothers really aren't even in the same ball park.
Oh and if a woman wants to breastfeed, who the fuck am I to tell her what technique to use? If standing to feed is what makes her and her baby comfortable and it's easier for them both then so be it. I couldn't care less if someone lay on their back in the middle of the street to do it if that was the best technique for them.
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THEY'RE JUST BREASTS. original purpose = feeding.
GET THE FUCK OVER IT lol
Sorry, missed this.
So if my intent is to breast feed when I whip it out then I need to be conscientous about it but if it's purely for titivation purposes I'm not required to be conscientous?
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i know, right!?!?!? damn!
Yes the world is cruel and unjust to women- I am a woman and I know about it- Yes there are double standards-
Again, breastfeed your baby when you want to- but what is the problem with being discrete? Is modesty a bad thing?
There are things that I don't look at and are offended by. As I said, I turn way-sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. If I don't like something I don't go there or support the store, etc...
But what about my rights? They don't count- only women who are breastfeeding should have rights?
and what exactly offends you that you cant turn away from?
your rights? sure you have the right to move freely about. you certainly dont have to stand there and be subjected to some mother feeding her child, whose right it is to be fed.
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It's not about being offended, but whats the problem with being discrete? From what I've seen, some (not all) just whip it out without consideration. I don't want to see your breast- it has nothing to do with sexuality or nurturing your child. Just be considerate of other's around you.
if its not about being offended then whats the problem?
my only consideration is for my hungry child. sure i will be as discreet as i can. but if for some reason i am unable to secrete myself away from the delicate eyes of the public whilst feeding my child then im sorry but you are not my concern.
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Well it seems to me that the rights of breastfeeding mothers have been sorely overlooked if a society that has no problem with topless women serving them and their children food is acceptable but using your breast to nourish your child has a whole bunch of rules and regulations attached to it. Bottom line you leave the house you're gonna come across people and sure they're gonna do things that you don't like or don't want to see. I really don't see why it's necessary to have to take into consideration the thoughts and feelings of every single person around you and make sure that you are appeasing everybody while your baby screams to be fed. It's just not practical, so ultimately the baby needs to be fed and it should be, if other people then want to judge your technique or actions well I guess they don't have enough to think about in a day.
As a woman surely you are sick and tired of all the rules and regulations, the standards and opinions that people place on your very existence?
Personally I think if you see something you don't like you have the right to look away or take action, I guess I'd save my action and protest for things like people perpetrating violence against each other, something that American society as a whole seems to have a general blaseness about. I don't understand the puritanical, judgemental attitude (not saying you here) to the naked form WHATEVER people happen to be doing while they're naked.
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my thing is this:
No one said your child should not be fed when it is hungry. But is taking a few moments to go somewhere less public than the middle of the store so wrong?
You're right about this, it doesn't give them to right to disregard peoples feelings. Circling back, most mothers BF discretely. I can't say the same for bottle feeding mothers, but oddly, NO ONE has a problem with that.
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if it is convenient and comfortable for the mother to do so, sure i agree with you. i cant see me plopping myself down in one of IKEA'S faux room settings to feed my child, but i wouldnt be disgusted if another mother chose to do so.
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What makes you think you have these rights?
its not about being disgusted if they breastfed their child, but more on the lines of is there a better place to do it than amongst the clothes in the store. Will taking a moment cause irreparable damage to the child if they don't get fed that second?
did you not read my post? i said if it is convenient and comfortable for the mother. no mention of damage to a waiting baby. or even an acknowledgement that that is an issue.
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When you say "convenient and comfortable for the mother"- what does that mean?
Isn't that what this whole thread is about? The convenience of breastfeeding when you want regardless of the place, and the people around you.
I'm just saying that you don't have the right to never see anything you don't want to see. No right here has ever been established on your part. The rights of breastfeeding women have been established.
There are plenty of things people may not want to see. Some people don't ever want to see men with long hair, or ugly people, or tattoos, or people with disabilities. Do they have a right to not see these things? Nope. And you don't have a right to not see a woman breastfeed.