That's a pretty cool story. Irrelevent to this discussion, but still pretty cool!
I love that story And the cubs are so cute. And that's just the point really...we can look at animals nursing and it's cute and broadcast on tv...but when a woman does it everyone gets uncomfortable - simply because women's breasts have been sexualized so much.
simply because women's breasts have been sexualized so much.
You say that as though it's a bad thing. It was an evolutionary process by human beings. And there is no turning back now. Men and woman alike view boobs as sexual objects. For it is only nursing mothers and their newborns who view them as what mother-nature intended.
You say that as though it's a bad thing. It was an evolutionary process by human beings. And there is no turning back now. Men and woman alike view boobs as sexual objects.
I don't think it's a bad thing. Just making the point as to way it's even raised as an issue when a woman does it.
I love that story And the cubs are so cute. And that's just the point really...we can look at animals nursing and it's cute and broadcast on tv...but when a woman does it everyone gets uncomfortable - simply because women's breasts have been sexualized so much.
There's a huge different between the animal kingdom and our crappy human system. Drawing parallels seems a bit weird to me.
The fact that some people get uncomfortable has very little to do with breasts having been sexualized. Nudity in general is not accepted. We've been taught to hide our bodies, especially all the funs parts (the private parts, it's even in the name).
Animals rarely wear clothes and if they do it's totally weird and sick. Yet when people wear clothes it's normal. What's that all about?
I don't get it. If you are okay with showing your breasts in public to feed your child, why then have any objections to women who don't have babies walking around topless? It's just as natural. I can tell you this, if you all expose your children to breasts on a regular basis, they probably won't have a problem with a woman breastfeeding.
hmmmmm...never in my life have i seen a woman breastfeed in ANY manner besides discreetly. you either live in an area with a high # of exhibitionist women ...or simply some were publicly out to make a point? out at any mall, wherever...discretion is always the norm. the average woman does NOT want to draw attention to herself, she just wants to feed her baby. for the rare people you might encoutner, odd to say the least...but again, i far rather allow that than disallow the right to breastfeed publicly.
Every single one of my friends BF.....I have never seen one of their nipples!
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There's a huge different between the animal kingdom and our crappy human system. Drawing parallels seems a bit weird to me.
The fact that some people get uncomfortable has very little to do with breasts having been sexualized. Nudity in general is not accepted. We've been taught to hide our bodies, especially all the funs parts (the private parts, it's even in the name).
Animals rarely wear clothes and if they do it's totally weird and sick. Yet when people wear clothes it's normal. What's that all about?
I don't get it. If you are okay with showing your breasts in public to feed your child, why then have any objections to women who don't have babies walking around topless? It's just as natural. I can tell you this, if you all expose your children to breasts on a regular basis, they probably won't have a problem with a woman breastfeeding.
Well it's the same process - a mammal feeding their young. Like I said - it's the meaning we apply to it. And your points back that up.
Well it's the same process - a mammal feeding their young. Like I said - it's the meaning we apply to it. And your points back that up.
It's the same process, yes. But animals are not humans. If your argument is that breastfeeding should be 'accepted' because it happens in the animal world as well and because it's natural... I cannot agree.
It's the same process, yes. But animals are not humans. If your argument is that breastfeeding should be 'accepted' because it happens in the animal world as well and because it's natural... I cannot agree.
It's not just a coincidence that we feed our young the same way that some animals do. We are animals too.
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The fact that some people get uncomfortable has very little to do with breasts having been sexualized. Nudity in general is not accepted. We've been taught to hide our bodies, especially all the funs parts (the private parts, it's even in the name).
So-called "private parts" are considered private because of their assocation with sexuality.
It's the same process, yes. But animals are not humans. If your argument is that breastfeeding should be 'accepted' because it happens in the animal world as well and because it's natural... I cannot agree.
fair enough Just not understanding why people get so disturbed by it. It baffles me.
It's not just a coincidence that we feed our young the same way that some animals do. We are animals too.
So walk around naked all the time then. Until you do that, this argument is stupid. You are a human being with opposable thumbs and a brain to match. We live in a society, not a jungle. We are civilized, not wild animals.
So-called "private parts" are considered private because of their assocation with sexuality.
That the human race in the part of the world we live in has made it that way. There is no turning back and pretending like they are not sexual objects now.
So walk around naked all the time then. Until you do that, this argument is stupid. You are a human being with opposable thumbs and a brain to match. We live in a society, not a jungle. We are civilized, not wild animals.
So-called "private parts" are considered private because of their assocation with sexuality.
Anyone who assocates the private parts of children with sex is seriously disturbed. Children cannot have sex, it's nature. So I hope all the mothers here who use "it's natural" as an argument will let their children roam freely and in the nude. It's natural.
That the human race in the part of the world we live in has made it that way. There is no turning back and pretending like they are not sexual objects now.
Outside the U.S. (aside from, apparently Canada...which is basically America Jr.), breastfeeding is accepted as the norm and encouraged wholeheartedly. Therefore decision to make breasts private has nothing to do with "evolution" and it has everything to do with culture.
I never said that breasts must be exclusively sexual or exclusively functional. However, there is nothing remotely sexual about breasts being used to feed a child.
Stop twisting this argument J Lo! No one has ever taken the position that breast milk is bad for infants.
I didn't twist the argument. Collin seemed to be trying to make a point that saying breastfeeding is natural isn't a good enough reason to do it. I didn't understand why he was trying to make that point and wanted him to clarify.
Anyone who assocates the private parts of children with sex is seriously disturbed. Children cannot have sex, it's nature. So I hope all the mothers here who use "it's natural" as an argument will let their children roam freely and in the nude. It's natural.
you lost me. We're talking about the woman's breast used to feed the child, right? Being used to feed...not for a sexual purposed. I don't think she mentioned anything about children's sexual organs
It's babies feeding...the way they are designed to feed. I don't understand what is offensive about that.
I don't think it's offensive. I don't want to see it so I turn my head. It's fairly simple.
However, it's natural is not a good argument because many things are natural. Walking around naked is natural, animals do it. Taking a shit when you feel like it is natural (hey, we could even have our own human waste baggies, like we have for dog poo). Sex is natural, we should all screw whenever we're horny.
That's the "it's nature" argument. All these things are perfectly natural. Every human has to take a crap. It's normal. But we are human and we use discretion. That's all we ask for breastfeeding too. And I think most women are pretty discrete when they breastfeed.
Outside the U.S. (aside from, apparently Canada...which is basically America Jr.), breastfeeding is accepted as the norm and encouraged wholeheartedly. Therefore decision to make breasts private has nothing to do with "evolution" and it has everything to do with culture.
I never said that breasts must be exclusively sexual or exclusively functional. However, there is nothing remotely sexual about breasts being used to feed a child.
Yeah, culture - evolution; our culture has evolved in North America. That is the way it is. My point remains the same.
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There's a huge different between the animal kingdom and our crappy human system. Drawing parallels seems a bit weird to me.
The fact that some people get uncomfortable has very little to do with breasts having been sexualized. Nudity in general is not accepted. We've been taught to hide our bodies, especially all the funs parts (the private parts, it's even in the name).
Animals rarely wear clothes and if they do it's totally weird and sick. Yet when people wear clothes it's normal. What's that all about?
I don't get it. If you are okay with showing your breasts in public to feed your child, why then have any objections to women who don't have babies walking around topless? It's just as natural. I can tell you this, if you all expose your children to breasts on a regular basis, they probably won't have a problem with a woman breastfeeding.
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Every single one of my friends BF.....I have never seen one of their nipples!
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It's the same process, yes. But animals are not humans. If your argument is that breastfeeding should be 'accepted' because it happens in the animal world as well and because it's natural... I cannot agree.
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It's not just a coincidence that we feed our young the same way that some animals do. We are animals too.
So-called "private parts" are considered private because of their assocation with sexuality.
So?
This 'animal/natural' argument is the worst argument I ever heard for breastfeeding. Seriously. It's insane.
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Exactly. Thanks aNiMaL
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I was simply responding to your apparent refusal to accept that humans are animals who are meant to feed their children with human milk.
Do you think they aren't?
Anyone who assocates the private parts of children with sex is seriously disturbed. Children cannot have sex, it's nature. So I hope all the mothers here who use "it's natural" as an argument will let their children roam freely and in the nude. It's natural.
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Outside the U.S. (aside from, apparently Canada...which is basically America Jr.), breastfeeding is accepted as the norm and encouraged wholeheartedly. Therefore decision to make breasts private has nothing to do with "evolution" and it has everything to do with culture.
I never said that breasts must be exclusively sexual or exclusively functional. However, there is nothing remotely sexual about breasts being used to feed a child.
I didn't twist the argument. Collin seemed to be trying to make a point that saying breastfeeding is natural isn't a good enough reason to do it. I didn't understand why he was trying to make that point and wanted him to clarify.
I don't think it's offensive. I don't want to see it so I turn my head. It's fairly simple.
However, it's natural is not a good argument because many things are natural. Walking around naked is natural, animals do it. Taking a shit when you feel like it is natural (hey, we could even have our own human waste baggies, like we have for dog poo). Sex is natural, we should all screw whenever we're horny.
That's the "it's nature" argument. All these things are perfectly natural. Every human has to take a crap. It's normal. But we are human and we use discretion. That's all we ask for breastfeeding too. And I think most women are pretty discrete when they breastfeed.
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