UFC 84: Sean Sherk Vs. BJ Penn / Tito Ortiz Vs. Lyoto Machida / Silva Vs. Jardine

mookie blaylock 10

civ_eng_girl wrote:

i see your :eek: and raise you an :eek:

a couple have changed, but still, :eek: it's already a great card and it's not close to being finished.

mookie blaylock 10

civ_eng_girl wrote:

ha! that freeze-frame at the end is priceless!

WINNER!

leafs4ever

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

looks like the EliteXC show for next weekend is complete...

EliteXC, May 31, 2008 - Prudential Center, Newark, New Jersey - CBS

Main Card:

Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson Vs. James Thompson
Robbie Lawler Vs. Scott Smith - EliteXC MW Championship
Gina Carano Vs. Kaitlin Young
Phil Baroni Vs. Joey Villasenor (Murilo Rua out due to injury)
Brett Rogers Vs. John Murphy

Pre-lims:

Nick Serra Vs. Matt Makowski
Wilson Reis Vs. Justin Robbins
Zach Makovsky Vs. Andre Soares
Mike Groves Vs. Joe Sampieri
Chris Liguori Vs. Jim Bova
James Jones Vs. Calvin Kattar
Carlton Haselrig Vs. Carlos Moreno

the undercard will stream live on proelite.com, and the main card will be the first installment of "saturday night fights" on CBS.

not that i ever share my thoughts on the matches or anything...:D...but...

i'm hoping people don't tune out after rogers vs. murphy. it should be the standard ugly HW slugfest. can't say i'm looking forward to it at all. at least there's a good chance it will end quickly (fingers crossed).

baroni vs. villasenor is an interesting match and quite possibly the one where we'll see the most action on the ground. i wish ninja was still fighting baroni, but villasenor is a game opponent with lots of experience and a great coach in greg jackson. i'd expect them to let baroni tire himself out in the first and then gradully wear him down in the second, possibly finishing him in the late second or third...or winning a decision. baroni's best chance is to overwhelm villasenor with strikes in the first, but i can't see villasenor playing into that game. baroni always tires in his fights, so villasenor should be able to take advantage if he plays it safe in the beginning.

carano vs. young will rival smith vs. lawler for fight of the night. two muay thai fighters, both with ground games that need some work. i'd say gina's takedown defense is good enough to keep kaitlin from taking her down if that's what kaitlin plans to do, and her muay thai is heads and shoulders above young, who has a more rigid style of muay thai and not the best defense. she's new to the sport and blew through her first four opponents, only to have her weakness on the ground exposed in her last fight where she dominated the stand up only to fall victim to an armbar in the second. it's also going to be a huge test of her nerves being so young, green, and being on national tv. gina's been there and done it. gina is fluid, and her hands, elbows and leg kicks are the best in women's mma, in my opinion. i can see gina winning this one in the second with a ko or tko. should be an outstanding match, as young is a promising newcomer. i just think see's going to get overwhelmed by the moment and by the better striker. gina's probabaly the most technically adept striker on the card.

smith vs. lawler has fireworks written all over it. both guys love to stand and trade punches. i think they'll do it until one of them goes down, and in my opinion it's lawler who falls first in this one. who needs a second round, eh?!

kimbo should have a relatively easy ko in his match against thompson. thompson has been ko'd many times now and by lesser strikers. maybe thompson will try to take the fight to the ground like he did in his last match, but even if he does, i'm not sure how much of an advantage he will have there. it's not exactly his strong suit, and kimbo is said to have a solid ground game. we just haven't seen it yet...and i don't expect to see it here. likely another slugfest , with kimbo getting the better of it with more accurate striking, power, and movement.

i'm expecting a lot of stand up in these matches and not a lot of grappling, which is really too bad, for a network tv debut, but it should still be an exciting show, in any case. it would just be nice if it turns out to be a better representation of overall MMA than it looks like on paper.

was that two or three cents? :D ...maybe a nickel...haha

love the preview mookie, i agree that it should be an exciting show and would have been stellar if ninja hadn't have gotten injured. Would be nice to see some ground game but aslong as there are good fight i won't complain.
Gunna be nice to see gina fight, i've only really seen the vid you posted and was impressed. It'll be interesting to see how the media reacts to female mma on mainstream tv.
I agree about the opening fight, i don't know either fighter and by your preview it doesn't sound like i'm missing much. I wish the baroni fight would open the card since this should be able to keep people's attention alot better.

leafs4ever

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

ok, one more youtube video and i swear i will lay off the video posts!

this is the match that had the highlight featured in the tribute video. it's the one where he




turns out it was from a match in pancrase, vs. craig oxley...only about 3 mins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoFe-ZORiTU

damn, that was sick!!! that guy is so freaking smooth, i've never seen a spin-o-rama from the heels into a heel hook lol (i don't even know what to call that move hahahaha)

leafs4ever

ReleasH wrote:

So many pages in the thread for me to get caught up on!! I've got the TUF episode on my tivo, but there's slim to no chance I will be able to watch it until Saturday morning. My UFC 84 picks probably won't be in until then either. Apparently I had forgotten how much it sucks to get up at 4 am ... well at least the first week does. :(

p.s. Mookie, check your PMs.

eww mornings, i just can't do it... good luck with the change

leafs4ever

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

:eek:

UFC 87, August 9, 2008 - Target Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota - PPV

Georges St-Pierre Vs. Jon Fitch - WW Championship
Brock Lesnar Vs. TBA
Roger Huerta Vs. Kenny Florian
Demian Maia Vs. Jason MacDonald
Cheick Kongo Vs. Dan Evenson
Frankie Edgar Vs. TBA
George Sotiropoulos Vs. TBA



http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6330&zoneid=13

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GSP - Fitch is a dream match for me, probably my 2 favourite fighters. I hope fitch comes out like an animal but i still gotta go with gsp.
So now that coleman is out, who do you think will fight Brock? They need to find somebody that he can beat, but will give him enough of a challenge that he learns from it. I would say AA but 1st i don't know if he is still with the UFC and also i'm not sure brock could take him. Would be a good fight though.

LOVEBOATCAPT0226

Ok I got my picks in.

BJ Wins TKO-RD 2

Jardine- By Dec

Gouveia -Sub RD1


Tito -TKO RD-1

T Silva-KO RD1

Palhares -Sub Rd 2

Soko -TKO RD 2

Clementi-Sub Rd 3

Koppenhaver- TKO RD 1

Kim -Majority Dec

Carwin Tko RD1


Hopefully these picks will get me out of the cellar!!

leafs4ever

hey guys, just wanted to let you all know that gray maynard will be on Off the Record on TSN tonight at 6pm to preview ufc 84.

ok off to work for me, have a good one

mookie blaylock 10

everybody made weight for tomorrow night, so we're all set! tito came out with a "DANA IS MY BITCH" t-shirt on underneath his sweater, which got a huge reaction from the crowd. a couple of heated staredowns, with sokoudjou getting mildly upset over nakamura invading his space with his "hat" during the staredown, reljic pushed gouveia's forehead with his own causing the crowd to boo and reljic was moved away. most of the main card seemed pretty tense. should be a good show!

nice reactions for jon koppenhaver, rich clementi, thiago silva and sokoudjou. wanderlei, tito and bj probabaly got the best receptions, while sherk got a pretty chilly one.

a couple of changes to the bout order...

Main Card:

B.J. Penn (155) Vs. Sean Sherk (155)
Wanderlei Silva (205) Vs. Keith Jardine (205)
Goran Reljic (205) Vs. Wilson Gouveia (205)
Tito Ortiz (205) Vs. Lyoto Machida (203)
Antonio Mendes (203) Vs. Thiago Silva (205)

Pre-lims:

Ivan Salaverry (185) Vs. Rousimar Palhares (185)
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (204) Vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura (206)
Terry Etim (155) Vs. Rich Clementi (155)
Jon Koppenhaver (170) Vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida (170)
Dong-hyun Kim (171) Vs. Jason Tan (170)
Shane Carwin (252) Vs. Christian Wellisch (230)

mookie blaylock 10

leafs4ever wrote:

hey guys, just wanted to let you all know that gray maynard will be on Off the Record on TSN tonight at 6pm to preview ufc 84.

ok off to work for me, have a good one

sweet! thanks, leafs! i missed it, but i'll catch it later on.

mookie blaylock 10

LOVEBOATCAPT0226 wrote:

Ok I got my picks in.

BJ Wins TKO-RD 2

Jardine- By Dec

Gouveia -Sub RD1


Tito -TKO RD-1

T Silva-KO RD1

Palhares -Sub Rd 2

Soko -TKO RD 2

Clementi-Sub Rd 3

Koppenhaver- TKO RD 1

Kim -Majority Dec

Carwin Tko RD1


Hopefully these picks will get me out of the cellar!!

good luck, lbc!

mookie blaylock 10

leafs4ever wrote:

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GSP - Fitch is a dream match for me, probably my 2 favourite fighters. I hope fitch comes out like an animal but i still gotta go with gsp.
So now that coleman is out, who do you think will fight Brock? They need to find somebody that he can beat, but will give him enough of a challenge that he learns from it. I would say AA but 1st i don't know if he is still with the UFC and also i'm not sure brock could take him. Would be a good fight though.

awesome, eh? it's going to be a great fight.

not sure about brock, but andrei is off to the affliction show to fight ben rothwell, so we can rule him out. i guess the UFC decided not to sign him again.

civ_eng_girl

ok... picks are in!

they're pretty random, as usual..... and apparently opposite to everyone else! :eek:

MAIN EVENT
Winner: BJ Penn Submission (Choke)
Winner: Lyoto Machida Unanimous Decision
Winner: Wanderlei Silva Unanimous Decision
Winner: Goran Reljic Technical Knock Out
Winner: Thiago Silva Technical Knock Out
Winner: Rameau Sokoudjou Technical Knock Out
Winner: Jon Koppenhaver Submission (Arm Lock)
Winner: Dong Hyun Kim Submission (Leg Lock)
Winner: Ivan Salaverry Submission (Arm Lock)
Winner: Christian Wellisch Technical Knock Out
Winner: Rich Clementi Submission (Other)

mookie blaylock 10

civ_eng_girl wrote:

ok... picks are in!

they're pretty random, as usual..... and apparently opposite to everyone else! :eek:

MAIN EVENT
Winner: BJ Penn Submission (Choke)
Winner: Lyoto Machida Unanimous Decision
Winner: Wanderlei Silva Unanimous Decision
Winner: Goran Reljic Technical Knock Out
Winner: Thiago Silva Technical Knock Out
Winner: Rameau Sokoudjou Technical Knock Out
Winner: Jon Koppenhaver Submission (Arm Lock)
Winner: Dong Hyun Kim Submission (Leg Lock)
Winner: Ivan Salaverry Submission (Arm Lock)
Winner: Christian Wellisch Technical Knock Out
Winner: Rich Clementi Submission (Other)

uh-oh, here we go with the "random picks" again! i think you said the same thing the first time you won. good luck, ceg.

leafs4ever

well i won't say anything about gray on OTR since you didn't see it yet mookie, but it was pretty good. Funny what he says about Royce Gracie and i disagree with him on 1 of the fights for ufc 84 :( guess i'm really alone on this one

here's my picks so far

BJ Penn v. Sean Sherk
Winner: BJ Penn Submission (Choke) 3 2
Tito Ortiz v. Lyoto Machida
Winner: Lyoto Machida Unanimous Decision 3 5
Wanderlei Silva v. Keith Jardine
Winner: Wanderlei Silva Technical Knock Out 2 3
Wilson Gouveia v. Goran Reljic
Winner: Wilson Gouveia Technical Knock Out 2 2
Thiago Silva v. Antonio Mendes
Winner: Thiago Silva Technical Knock Out 2 1
Rameau Sokoudjou v. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Winner: Rameau Sokoudjou Technical Knock Out 2 3
Jon Koppenhaver v. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Winner: Yoshiyuki Yoshida Technical Knock Out 3 2
Jason Tan v. Dong Hyun Kim
Winner: Dong Hyun Kim Technical Knock Out 1 3
Ivan Salaverry v. Rousimar Palhares
Winner: Ivan Salaverry Unanimous Decision 3 5
Christian Wellisch v. Shane Carwin
Winner: Shane Carwin Technical Knock Out 1 3
Rich Clementi v. Terry Etim
Winner: Rich Clementi Unanimous Decision 3 5

edit: sorry civ, didn't see your picks, glad your on the machida wagon with me

leafs4ever

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

everybody made weight for tomorrow night, so we're all set! tito came out with a "DANA IS MY BITCH" t-shirt on underneath his sweater, which got a huge reaction from the crowd. a couple of heated staredowns, with sokoudjou getting mildly upset over nakamura invading his space with his "hat" during the staredown, reljic pushed gouveia's forehead with his own causing the crowd to boo and reljic was moved away. most of the main card seemed pretty tense. should be a good show!

nice reactions for jon koppenhaver, rich clementi, thiago silva and sokoudjou. wanderlei, tito and bj probabaly got the best receptions, while sherk got a pretty chilly one.

a couple of changes to the bout order...

Main Card:

B.J. Penn (155) Vs. Sean Sherk (155)
Wanderlei Silva (205) Vs. Keith Jardine (205)
Goran Reljic (205) Vs. Wilson Gouveia (205)
Tito Ortiz (205) Vs. Lyoto Machida (203)
Antonio Mendes (203) Vs. Thiago Silva (205)

Pre-lims:

Ivan Salaverry (185) Vs. Rousimar Palhares (185)
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (204) Vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura (206)
Terry Etim (155) Vs. Rich Clementi (155)
Jon Koppenhaver (170) Vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida (170)
Dong-hyun Kim (171) Vs. Jason Tan (170)
Shane Carwin (252) Vs. Christian Wellisch (230)

that shirt on tito was awsome, i liked how he streached it out to make sure you could read it well lol... He looks alot bigger than lyoto, i still have faith though
that "easter basket" was great

i like that they moved Thiago up to the main card, hopefully he comes out of this fight quick and unharmed so they can set him up against rashad quickly

mookie blaylock 10

leafs4ever wrote:

that shirt on tito was awsome, i liked how he streached it out to make sure you could read it well lol... He looks alot bigger than lyoto, i still have faith though
that "easter basket" was great

i like that they moved Thiago up to the main card, hopefully he comes out of this fight quick and unharmed so they can set him up against rashad quickly

i was surprised when i saw them standing side by side. he is a lot bigger than lyoto. wow! i think we got the message on the shirt! haha huge letters, and then the stretch , as you said. the cowd got a good laugh out of it, as did i!

oh yeah, good luck with your picks, leafs.

civ_eng_girl

leafs4ever wrote:

well i won't say anything about gray on OTR since you didn't see it yet mookie, but it was pretty good. Funny what he says about Royce Gracie and i disagree with him on 1 of the fights for ufc 84 :( guess i'm really alone on this one

here's my picks so far

BJ Penn v. Sean Sherk
Winner: BJ Penn Submission (Choke) 3 2
Tito Ortiz v. Lyoto Machida
Winner: Lyoto Machida Unanimous Decision 3 5
Wanderlei Silva v. Keith Jardine
Winner: Wanderlei Silva Technical Knock Out 2 3
Wilson Gouveia v. Goran Reljic
Winner: Wilson Gouveia Technical Knock Out 2 2
Thiago Silva v. Antonio Mendes
Winner: Thiago Silva Technical Knock Out 2 1
Rameau Sokoudjou v. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Winner: Rameau Sokoudjou Technical Knock Out 2 3
Jon Koppenhaver v. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Winner: Yoshiyuki Yoshida Technical Knock Out 3 2
Jason Tan v. Dong Hyun Kim
Winner: Dong Hyun Kim Technical Knock Out 1 3
Ivan Salaverry v. Rousimar Palhares
Winner: Ivan Salaverry Unanimous Decision 3 5
Christian Wellisch v. Shane Carwin
Winner: Shane Carwin Technical Knock Out 1 3
Rich Clementi v. Terry Etim
Winner: Rich Clementi Unanimous Decision 3 5

edit: sorry civ, didn't see your picks, glad your on the machida wagon with me

good luck with your picks too, leafs! ours are fairly similar...
except i had to support my eastern european brothers, Reljic and Wellisch!

and warmachine too....


i was saying to Mookie that i wouldn't normally pick for a guy who's 12-0... but it worked with Anderson Silva last time, so i'm hoping that Machida doesn't let us down...

civ_eng_girl

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

uh-oh, here we go with the "random picks" again! i think you said the same thing the first time you won. good luck, ceg.

oh, i say that every time! it's to cover up the fact that i have no clue what i'm doing... and it hasn't been working for me lately!

my real skills are in thumbwrestling.

mookie blaylock 10

civ_eng_girl wrote:

oh, i say that every time! it's to cover up the fact that i have no clue what i'm doing... and it hasn't been working for me lately!

my real skills are in thumbwrestling.

again, one of the great things about this sport...none of us really have a clue! i can atest to the thumbwrestling skills, but i still think you have a secret with the "random picks"! haha