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jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

christ, boucher. I guess it doesn't matter who's in net :? Maybe they should go with the goalie cutout in the playoffs

EDIT: awful. bring leighton back

Enough with the horrible poke check stand up and try and make a save.

Johnny Abruzzo

They don't have shootouts in the playoffs. Boosh all the way.

pjhawks

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

christ, boucher. I guess it doesn't matter who's in net :? Maybe they should go with the goalie cutout in the playoffs

EDIT: awful. bring leighton back

Enough with the horrible poke check stand up and try and make a save.

agree and i kind of like boucher but he was horrible in that shootout and didn't find the 4th goal particularly great either. would have been a huge win if they could have held on 4-3. flyers just always have goalie questions. no consistency in either of the two. at least last year both leighton and boucher seemed to be consistent , although leighton blows and i don't want to see him back. get pronger back and hopefully keep scoring chances to a minimum. 1st place in conference not as important as 1st in division. have to get 1st in division to keep from falling to 4th seed. i think some way it is going to end up being flyers-rangers in 1st round.

and Fixer did you see the big story on Jeff Carter in the sunday inquirer? I know you are not a big fan but was a good article. 3rd most goals in the NHL over the past 3 (or 4 can't recall off hand) years and 6th in the league this year.

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

christ, boucher. I guess it doesn't matter who's in net :? Maybe they should go with the goalie cutout in the playoffs

EDIT: awful. bring leighton back

Enough with the horrible poke check stand up and try and make a save.

agree and i kind of like boucher but he was horrible in that shootout and didn't find the 4th goal particularly great either. would have been a huge win if they could have held on 4-3. flyers just always have goalie questions. no consistency in either of the two. at least last year both leighton and boucher seemed to be consistent , although leighton blows and i don't want to see him back. get pronger back and hopefully keep scoring chances to a minimum. 1st place in conference not as important as 1st in division. have to get 1st in division to keep from falling to 4th seed. i think some way it is going to end up being flyers-rangers in 1st round.

and Fixer did you see the big story on Jeff Carter in the sunday inquirer? I know you are not a big fan but was a good article. 3rd most goals in the NHL over the past 3 (or 4 can't recall off hand) years and 6th in the league this year.

I was kidding about leighton. I hope you guys were as well.


I don't think it matters who starts in playoffs. When Bob is on his game I think he has a better chance to steal a game, but I think Boucher is more consistent from game to game. pick your poison.

Carter will always put up decent goal stats. check out his playoff stats. he comes up small in big games. My problem with him is that he should be a better player than he is. he has the ability, but he plays like a pussy (see stanley cup finals, game 6). he'd be a great fit on the caps

The Fixer

5-2 flyers tonight. they play their best game in 2 months

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Entertaining period

The Fixer

Bubbles wrote:

Entertaining period

pens are tough. like I said 3 months ago...I want no part of them in playoffs

The Fixer

jordan staal is a beast. I'd take him over carter every time.

MFCarissa

The Fixer wrote:

jordan staal is a beast. I'd take him over carter every time.

Eric Staal is better. The Pens could have had him, but they drafted Fleury first overall instead.

The Fixer

MFCarissa wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

jordan staal is a beast. I'd take him over carter every time.

Eric Staal is better. The Pens could have had him, but they drafted Fleury first overall instead.

Of course his brother is better. Jordan Staal is underrated though

The flyers looked like shit. Again

MFCarissa

The Fixer wrote:

MFCarissa wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

jordan staal is a beast. I'd take him over carter every time.

Eric Staal is better. The Pens could have had him, but they drafted Fleury first overall instead.

Of course his brother is better. Jordan Staal is underrated though

I completely disagree. Jordan was a second overall pick. He's a 20 goal scorer. He had 29 his first season, and has never matched it since. He's good defensively though. But he was picked above Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, and Giroux.

The Fixer

MFCarissa wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

MFCarissa wrote:

Eric Staal is better. The Pens could have had him, but they drafted Fleury first overall instead.

Of course his brother is better. Jordan Staal is underrated though

I completely disagree. Jordan was a second overall pick. He's a 20 goal scorer. He had 29 his first season, and has never matched it since. He's good defensively though. But he was picked above Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, and Giroux.

so he's overrated because of where he was picked? that's pretty dumb. the guy does everything well. he just gets overshadowed because of crosby and shrek.

I love when people only look at stats to decide a player's value :?

kessel sucks too

Break The Sky

The Fixer wrote:

MFCarissa wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Of course his brother is better. Jordan Staal is underrated though

I completely disagree. Jordan was a second overall pick. He's a 20 goal scorer. He had 29 his first season, and has never matched it since. He's good defensively though. But he was picked above Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, and Giroux.

so he's overrated because of where he was picked? that's pretty dumb. the guy does everything well. he just gets overshadowed because of crosby and shrek.

I love when people only look at stats to decide a player's value :?

kessel sucks too

Sort of. If a guy is picked very early there's high expectations for him. If he doesn't mean those high expectations then he's a letdown. If Staal was drafted in the second round he'd be a great player, but out of a #2 overall pick you expect that player to at least play on the top line, and if I'm correct I think Staal normally plays the 3rd line.

Kessel has 28 goals and 55 points for a much, much worse team in Toronto. Kessel gets shit because Toronto traded away 2 first round picks for him and he's not living up to that expectation. Where you're drafted is VERY relevant to whether a player is overrated or underrated.

Giroux, for that matter, is underrated, because so many teams passed on him and now he's great.

Patric Hornqvist is underrated, because he was the last player taken in the 2004 draft and he's a 30 goals a season scorer.

MFCarissa

The Fixer wrote:

so he's overrated because of where he was picked? that's pretty dumb. the guy does everything well. he just gets overshadowed because of crosby and shrek.

I love when people only look at stats to decide a player's value :?

kessel sucks too

Kessel was good when he was on a good team. Staal is just certainly not underrated when he is a basically a defensibly responsible 20 goal scorer who is payed 4 million a year and was a second overall pick. If I had to pick a favorite Penguin, it would be him, but he's no one to build a team around or anything.

MFCarissa

Big Drop wrote:

Sort of. If a guy is picked very early there's high expectations for him. If he doesn't mean those high expectations then he's a letdown. If Staal was drafted in the second round he'd be a great player, but out of a #2 overall pick you expect that player to at least play on the top line, and if I'm correct I think Staal normally plays the 3rd line.

Kessel has 28 goals and 55 points for a much, much worse team in Toronto. Kessel gets shit because Toronto traded away 2 first round picks for him and he's not living up to that expectation. Where you're drafted is VERY relevant to whether a player is overrated or underrated.

Giroux, for that matter, is underrated, because so many teams passed on him and now he's great.

Patric Hornqvist is underrated, because he was the last player taken in the 2004 draft and he's a 30 goals a season scorer.

And this.

The Fixer

MFCarissa wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

so he's overrated because of where he was picked? that's pretty dumb. the guy does everything well. he just gets overshadowed because of crosby and shrek.

I love when people only look at stats to decide a player's value :?

kessel sucks too

Kessel was good when he was on a good team. Staal is just certainly not underrated when he is a basically a defensibly responsible 20 goal scorer who is payed 4 million a year and was a second overall pick. If I had to pick a favorite Penguin, it would be him, but he's no one to build a team around or anything.

Staal reminds me of brind'amour. He's not a superstar, but he doesn't get enough credit for being the player he is. He isn't a scorer because he isn't needed to be one in his role with the pens.

Kessel sucked on boston...he's always been overrated.

The Fixer

MFCarissa wrote:

Big Drop wrote:

Sort of. If a guy is picked very early there's high expectations for him. If he doesn't mean those high expectations then he's a letdown. If Staal was drafted in the second round he'd be a great player, but out of a #2 overall pick you expect that player to at least play on the top line, and if I'm correct I think Staal normally plays the 3rd line.

Kessel has 28 goals and 55 points for a much, much worse team in Toronto. Kessel gets shit because Toronto traded away 2 first round picks for him and he's not living up to that expectation. Where you're drafted is VERY relevant to whether a player is overrated or underrated.

Giroux, for that matter, is underrated, because so many teams passed on him and now he's great.

Patric Hornqvist is underrated, because he was the last player taken in the 2004 draft and he's a 30 goals a season scorer.

And this.

High pick = high expectations. of course.

I never said staal was great, just that he's underrated.

JVR was the #2 pick and he also plays on the 3rd line.

These guys get drafted when they're teenagers. I don't think all players drafted in the top 5 that don't become superstars are considered disappointments

Keith Primeau is another example. He was a good player for most of his career. Pretty sure he was taken in the top 5

The Fixer

Flyers have lost 4 of their last 6 games, but have accumulated 8 points in those games. The NHL needs to change their rules. Getting a point for losing is weak as hell.

MFCarissa

The Fixer wrote:

Staal reminds me of brind'amour. He's not a superstar, but he doesn't get enough credit for being the player he is. He isn't a scorer because he isn't needed to be one in his role with the pens.

Kessel sucked on boston...he's always been overrated.

Brind'amour won a shitload of faceoffs and had a 97 point season. It's not the same at all. In your opinion, what is Staal so good at that makes him so underrated? I think he is a good player, but there are a lot of guys like him in the league. And yes, stats really are important. The Red Wings aren't going to sign Darren Helm to a 4 million dollar contract just because he wins faceoffs, is super fast, and a fantastic penalty killer.

The Fixer

MFCarissa wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Staal reminds me of brind'amour. He's not a superstar, but he doesn't get enough credit for being the player he is. He isn't a scorer because he isn't needed to be one in his role with the pens.

Kessel sucked on boston...he's always been overrated.

Brind'amour won a shitload of faceoffs and had a 97 point season. It's not the same at all. In your opinion, what is Staal so good at that makes him so underrated? I think he is a good player, but there are a lot of guys like him in the league. And yes, stats really are important. The Red Wings aren't going to sign Darren Helm to a 4 million dollar contract just because he wins faceoffs, is super fast, and a fantastic penalty killer.

do you think brindamour was a good player?

staal does everything well. he is versatile. he can help a hockey team every way possible. PP, PK, play physical, score, win faceoffs, pass. I'll take him over an overrated turd like jeff carter every time. but according to your theory carter is better because his stats are better...even though carter can only do one thing (shoot)