Speaking of being in ones shoes, this is the one I've had to deal with the most over the last few years, I love it when people who only have little children think they know it all about how to parent....especially about parenting teens....I just and think.......just wait, your fun has yet to begin! You can read all about it, and you were a teen yourself...but until you experience it with your own children....you really have no clue as to how you will parent them. My kids are the oldest of all our friends children...so it has been fun watching just how humble everyone becomes when it is their turn! I've never said a word to anyone when they have tried to tell me what I was doing wrong, or what they would do...... now they come to me...and ask for help!
oxc
EXACTLY!
the same for MANY things...and some things one may NEVER experience and thus will never 'fully' KNOW. that's life.
So yes, I think sometimes it's really helpful to have people with similar experience to bounce things off but other times you really want to be with someone who's just a good listener and supports you and can offer an unbiased opinion.
i absolutely agree! was never suggesting otherwise! it's all about the attitude about it tho...coming off like one 'knows it all'......that was really it.
in the most simplist of terms, as i said earlier...you can describe everything about a blueberry, but if i NEVEr taste it...i will never truly KNOW what it tastes like eh? that's all.
even people with similar experiences totally can be sooo different, but they DO have at least lived the experience. that's it. i can learn, i can be knowledgeable...i can observe....but without living certain things, i just can't *know* it all. it's like guessing what you'd do in a certain situation. it's JUST an educated guess. until IN the situation, can't really know 100%.
I can't possibly imagine who the OP means. Honest.
The thing that really gets to me is when people claim their opinion as fact. I'll admit i'm guilty of going on about stuff i've little experience of. I'm 21, i've little experience of most things. But I always try to make sure it's clear that what i'm saying is my opinion, based on my experiences, or lack thereof. To parade around like what you're saying is the gospel when you can't see past your own blinkered world view just drives me insane.
Another thing that gets to me is selective quoting. If people are having a debate, there are those on here who choose only to see the points that they want to argue with, and completely ignore the ones that shoot them down in flames. It's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALA" when someone says something you don't want to hear.
great post!
and sure, it's NOT all JUST about 'having experience'.....absolutely we all can know and think things without that...it's the 'authority' of an opnion voiced, especially when voiced over and over, that is what gets me. of course, i guess i am doing that in this very thread. haha. although, i have said from the get-go...i in NO way mean i am an 'expert' at anything, nor to infringe on others sharing....just discussing what is a bizarre phenomena, at least to me. i just don't think i'll ever *get* it fully.
and your last point..........ggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! sooooo agree! and even beyond that, just toally not READING what you typed. and how do you KNOW they didn't read it? b/c their response is soooo OFF! or i should say they read it, but see what they want to see in it. sure, i guess we're all guilty of reading between/behind the lines...but really, beyond that...it IS good to read the words for what they are too.
They don't have to be an industry expert, they just have to know more than you do.
Which is why god created the reply feature on message boards...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Well even with people sharing an identical experience their interpretation of said experience will vary. You've only got to look at eye witness statements to see just how much they can vary! I think perhaps even if you've not experienced something that someone is talking about there still may be elements of the situation that resonate and could apply to your own experience. It's possible depending on how you interpret and communicate you could offer something very helpful to a person. That's the beauty of communication and connection it's as individual as the individuals involved and the circumstances. I've noticed myself that even on some very dark days, others that haven't experienced what I am going through can offer some really amazing help simply by being more detached from the situation than me. I've come to trust in those people and welcome their counsel because it has proven to be such a blessing. The support they give, the hand holding, the shoulder to cry on, well those things are invaluable. I don't know dream, I suppose I've been referred to support groups on numerous occasions but I'm really not comfortable seeing others suffer the same as me. I guess you can't undo what you know if that makes sense? So yes, I think sometimes it's really helpful to have people with similar experience to bounce things off but other times you really want to be with someone who's just a good listener and supports you and can offer an unbiased opinion.
Lovely post Jeanie
Also, I love the way some people here are experts on why some people think they are experts on certain things without experiencing it Until you're in MY shoes or somebody elses shoes, you really don't know what we know or how we know it. I would never make little of somebody elses opinion. I would take their advice but to say 'how would you know? You've never experienced it' is EXTREMELY patronising and a lazy way of getting your point across... and it's something I've stopped myself from saying on several occasions FOR that reason! There is a thread on British weather right now... I don't live in Britain but we have similar weather... and ya know what... I'm gonna post in it
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
seem anyway...that those with the least life *experience* of certain things so often come off as the *experts* on a given topic? spewing opinion after opinion like an 'authority' on a given topic or simply feel the need to espouse their thoughts/beliefs on a subject they know little to none about? or, when someone poses a question to a specific demographic, 90% of the respondents seem to be NOT the demographic questioned?
is it some sort of bizarre twist of human nature? is it the internet? and no, i am in NO way saying those with little to no experience or who were not directly asked to participate NOT do so - all ARe entitled to their opinions and to SHARE them, of COURSE - but i think it's a weird phenomena at best.
just curious....
what exactly there says ANYthing that one needs 'qualifications' to post? it was a QUESTION as to WHy you might think someone with little to no experience MAY comment LIKE they are 'experts'......that was all.
yes, i was focusing on 'real-life experience'...but ya know, that WOULD include education on a given topic and/or observations to some degree. besides which...i said it seems.....meaning it is obviously MY personal pov, not saying it's an expert pov at all. sheesh.
seem anyway...that those with the least life *experience* of certain things so often come off as the *experts* on a given topic? spewing opinion after opinion like an 'authority' on a given topic or simply feel the need to espouse their thoughts/beliefs on a subject they know little to none about? or, when someone poses a question to a specific demographic, 90% of the respondents seem to be NOT the demographic questioned?
is it some sort of bizarre twist of human nature? is it the internet? and no, i am in NO way saying those with little to no experience or who were not directly asked to participate NOT do so - all ARe entitled to their opinions and to SHARE them, of COURSE - but i think it's a weird phenomena at best.
seem anyway...that those with the least life *experience* of certain things so often come off as the *experts* on a given topic? spewing opinion after opinion like an 'authority' on a given topic or simply feel the need to espouse their thoughts/beliefs on a subject they know little to none about? or, when someone poses a question to a specific demographic, 90% of the respondents seem to be NOT the demographic questioned?
is it some sort of bizarre twist of human nature? is it the internet? and no, i am in NO way saying those with little to no experience or who were not directly asked to participate NOT do so - all ARe entitled to their opinions and to SHARE them, of COURSE - but i think it's a weird phenomena at best.
just curious....
yeah people are strange
insanity - doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
what can i say, i felt like some online fun on a tuesday night.
its like all those non-parents out there telling parents how to raise their kids... its like getting fashion tips from an american... or sex tips from an irish person... or tip tips from a scottish person... etc. :thumbup:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
its like all those non-parents out there telling parents how to raise their kids... its like getting fashion tips from an american... or sex tips from an irish person... or tip tips from a scottish person... etc. :thumbup:
"Ironic"
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well isn't this nice..."
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic...don't you think
A little too ironic...and, yeah, I really do think...
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out
and i know, none of that is really 'ironic'..but just work with me here...;)
its like all those non-parents out there telling parents how to raise their kids... its like getting fashion tips from an american... or sex tips from an irish person... or tip tips from a scottish person... etc. :thumbup:
"Ironic"
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well isn't this nice..."
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic...don't you think
A little too ironic...and, yeah, I really do think...
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out
and i know, none of that is really 'ironic'..but just work with me here...;)
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
its like all those non-parents out there telling parents how to raise their kids... its like getting fashion tips from an american... or sex tips from an irish person... or tip tips from a scottish person... etc. :thumbup:
"Ironic"
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well isn't this nice..."
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic...don't you think
A little too ironic...and, yeah, I really do think...
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out
and i know, none of that is really 'ironic'..but just work with me here...;)
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
seem anyway...that those with the least life *experience* of certain things so often come off as the *experts* on a given topic? spewing opinion after opinion like an 'authority' on a given topic or simply feel the need to espouse their thoughts/beliefs on a subject they know little to none about? or, when someone poses a question to a specific demographic, 90% of the respondents seem to be NOT the demographic questioned?
is it some sort of bizarre twist of human nature? is it the internet? and no, i am in NO way saying those with little to no experience or who were not directly asked to participate NOT do so - all ARe entitled to their opinions and to SHARE them, of COURSE - but i think it's a weird phenomena at best.
just curious....
WHAT EVER YOU DO, DON'T GO INTO "A MOVING TRAIN"!
Hers my view:
People without expereince: can formulate a reasonable explaination on something because they just don't see or know what the reality is, or whats involved.
People with experience: were once people with out experience and know that their opinion didn't survive first contact with reality.
74% of my posts are just me goofing around on here... the other 41% are me lecturing people about Maths...
in relation to your topic, i think my only annoyance is when people post a thread which is actually entitled "Parents: any ideas?" and then 84% of the people in it are actually non-parents telling that threadstarter to smack his kids and feed them compost... and yes the other 39% of them are parents... the last 4% is me lecturing about Maths... probably.
Comments
EXACTLY!
the same for MANY things...and some things one may NEVER experience and thus will never 'fully' KNOW. that's life.
and jeanie...
i absolutely agree! was never suggesting otherwise!
in the most simplist of terms, as i said earlier...you can describe everything about a blueberry, but if i NEVEr taste it...i will never truly KNOW what it tastes like eh? that's all.
even people with similar experiences totally can be sooo different, but they DO have at least lived the experience. that's it. i can learn, i can be knowledgeable...i can observe....but without living certain things, i just can't *know* it all. it's like guessing what you'd do in a certain situation. it's JUST an educated guess. until IN the situation, can't really know 100%.
and i missed this earlier:
great post!
and sure, it's NOT all JUST about 'having experience'.....absolutely we all can know and think things without that...it's the 'authority' of an opnion voiced, especially when voiced over and over, that is what gets me. of course, i guess i am doing that in this very thread.
and your last point..........ggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! sooooo agree! and even beyond that, just toally not READING what you typed. and how do you KNOW they didn't read it? b/c their response is soooo OFF! or i should say they read it, but see what they want to see in it. sure, i guess we're all guilty of reading between/behind the lines...but really, beyond that...it IS good to read the words for what they are too.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Nuclear fission
nail hit on the head
Which is why god created the reply feature on message boards...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Also, I love the way some people here are experts on why some people think they are experts on certain things without experiencing it
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
and how would they know they know more than me?
i REALLY would love to know WHERE people get the notion that i am suggesting the ONLY people who post on a given topic BE an 'expert'....? seriously?
first post:
what exactly there says ANYthing that one needs 'qualifications' to post? it was a QUESTION as to WHy you might think someone with little to no experience MAY comment LIKE they are 'experts'......that was all.
yes, i was focusing on 'real-life experience'...but ya know, that WOULD include education on a given topic and/or observations to some degree. besides which...i said it seems.....meaning it is obviously MY personal pov, not saying it's an expert pov at all.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
yeah people are strange
insanity - doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
what can i say, i felt like some online fun on a tuesday night.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
"Ironic"
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well isn't this nice..."
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic...don't you think
A little too ironic...and, yeah, I really do think...
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out
and i know, none of that is really 'ironic'..but just work with me here...;)
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
i see your ironic and raise you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg
i'll have to check that out later.
bit too early in the workday to be checking out youtube.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
That's funny..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
that is fantastic!!
If I knew where it was I would take you there.
WHAT EVER YOU DO, DON'T GO INTO "A MOVING TRAIN"!
Hers my view:
People without expereince: can formulate a reasonable explaination on something because they just don't see or know what the reality is, or whats involved.
People with experience: were once people with out experience and know that their opinion didn't survive first contact with reality.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
People are stupid ... except of course you
you don't like old threads?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Sammi: Wanna just break up?