aye.. its not the actual tipping, its the defense of the system by people when it is so obviously flawed.
its akin to me defending working sundays all day in a supermarket.. nobody should work sundays, its a nice day for everyone to have off.. so while its a customary thing here for certain people to work sundays doesnt mean i agree with it and that I will use my last breath to defend it... the opposite.. its a shit system for people who should be at home nursing hangovers... but because of consumerism they have to work.. its crap
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
aye.. its not the actual tipping, its the defense of the system by people when it is so obviously flawed.
yeah but in your protest you're hurting other people. If everyone suddenly stopped tipping, it's not going to do any good to "change the system", it's only going to make every server in the country homeless.
aye.. its not the actual tipping, its the defense of the system by people when it is so obviously flawed.
its akin to me defending working sundays all day in a supermarket.. nobody should work sundays, its a nice day for everyone to have off.. so while its a customary thing here for certain people to work sundays doesnt mean i agree with it and that I will use my last breath to defend it... the opposite.. its a shit system for people who should be at home nursing hangovers... but because of consumerism they have to work.. its crap
My dad says stores used to be closed on Sundays in the US as well. Actually he rants about how the loss of the that has affected families. Nowadays I know of some suburban large chain grocery stores that are open 24/7-365. They don't close for even a single holiday. That's consumerism.
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aye.. its not the actual tipping, its the defense of the system by people when it is so obviously flawed.
its akin to me defending working sundays all day in a supermarket.. nobody should work sundays, its a nice day for everyone to have off.. so while its a customary thing here for certain people to work sundays doesnt mean i agree with it and that I will use my last breath to defend it... the opposite.. its a shit system for people who should be at home nursing hangovers... but because of consumerism they have to work.. its crap
fucking fascist religious fundamentalist... yeah, got to make sure we all rest on the day jesus said so!
that it?
im not defending the system, im explaining it. it's a stupid system. but it's there and there's not a damn thing to be done about it so im explaining why it would be a shitty thing to fuck over the people who cannot help it.
My dad says stores used to be closed on Sundays in the US as well. Actually he rants about how the loss of the that has affected families. Nowadays I know of some suburban large chain grocery stores that are open 24/7-365. They don't close for even a single holiday. That's consumerism.
the only reason stuff was closed on sundays was so people could go to church, it wasn't because all the employers were nice and gave people a day off. I'd rather work on sunday than have to go to church.
im not defending the system, im explaining it. it's a stupid system. but it's there and there's not a damn thing to be done about it so im explaining why it would be a shitty thing to fuck over the people who cannot help it.
you just explained capitalism and we all know that the most capitalist nation on earth is the US.. which is ironic cos its only americans who get annoyed at me for being capitalistic back at them... i'm fucking over the poor people.. how can Americans complain about that???? they've been doing it since the 1900's...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
the only reason stuff was closed on sundays was so people could go to church, it wasn't because all the employers were nice and gave people a day off. I'd rather work on sunday than have to go to church.
yeah we know that... a lot of customs are religion based.. i get 2 days off at Christmas... for all you know i could be Jewish.. i still get the 2 days off.. i hate church and religion.. but having a sunday off is a nice thing... i do family stuff and generally relax... everyone should have that day off together.. its nice
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
you just explained capitalism and we all know that the most capitalist nation on earth is the US.. which is ironic cos its only americans who get annoyed at me for being capitalistic back at them... i'm fucking over the poor people.. how can Americans complain about that???? they've been doing it since the 1900's...
id think it goes back further than that.
also, most americans dont complain about that. wait tables and see how the rednecks or the sunday brunch people tip. im not joking when i say church groups have left me religious flyers instead of cash. and that is why WE complain about it, becos SOME of us are smarter than that and think it's shitty to fuck over the poor. but we know we're outnumbered in our own country and cant do much about it. so we try to do what we can, like not fuck over the waitress just becos 55% of her fellow citizens are ignorant morons.
you just explained capitalism and we all know that the most capitalist nation on earth is the US.. which is ironic cos its only americans who get annoyed at me for being capitalistic back at them... i'm fucking over the poor people.. how can Americans complain about that???? they've been doing it since the 1900's...
um, you guys have never studied economics have you? there is nothing inherently "wrong" with capitalism, it is just type of market structure, the same as socialism. It's not a dirty word, and it doesn't mean "fucking over the poor..." at all.
not tipping is not being "capitalist". It's being selfish, but it's actually being anti-capitalist. tipping can be seen as part of capitalism (the better performance, the more money, that's like pure capitalism).
um, you guys have never studied economics have you? there is nothing inherently "wrong" with capitalism, it is just type of market structure, the same as socialism. It's not a dirty word, and it doesn't mean "fucking over the poor..." at all.
not tipping is not being "capitalist". It's being selfish, but it's actually being anti-capitalist. tipping can be seen as part of capitalism (the better performance, the more money, that's like pure capitalism).
um, you guys have never studied economics have you? there is nothing inherently "wrong" with capitalism, it is just type of market structure, the same as socialism. It's not a dirty word, and it doesn't mean "fucking over the poor..." at all.
not tipping is not being "capitalist". It's being selfish, but it's actually being anti-capitalist. tipping can be seen as part of capitalism (the better performance, the more money, that's like pure capitalism).
I hate when people use terms incorrectly.
have you ever used the term 'joke' or 'humour'?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Oh I'm sorry, it was too early in the morning for me and I answered your first question incorrectly lol. No, you don't have to tip the bus driver. I was thinking more of a tourist bus trip. For instance when I was in Ireland we were told to tip our bus driver but he drove us around for 2 weeks.
I would never tip a bus driver going from one city to another or one state to another or going to Canada but I have tipped bus drivers taking us to baseball games in NYC and to casinos. Usually if a bus driver is looking for a tip he or she will pass an envelope around but it is optional. Remember no matter what, tipping is optional unless you're in a large party at a restaurant because the restaurant will just add the tip to you bill.
You'll be spending enough money here and in Canada so don't think you have to tip everyone.
Hope you have a great time!
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um, you guys have never studied economics have you? there is nothing inherently "wrong" with capitalism, it is just type of market structure, the same as socialism. It's not a dirty word, and it doesn't mean "fucking over the poor..." at all.
not tipping is not being "capitalist". It's being selfish, but it's actually being anti-capitalist. tipping can be seen as part of capitalism (the better performance, the more money, that's like pure capitalism).
I hate when people use terms incorrectly.
So the "Green" in your name stands for Greenspan?
can you explain why you kept hiking the rates during a possible recession?? that one never made sense.
:rolleyes:
by the way, tipping isn't a pure form of capitalism as a market structure...inasmuch as Dunk was explaining in his other tirades against the concept of tipping. you see, whether the service was good or not, as Americans we feel obligated to tip. It shouldn't be considered part of market reach of services rendered, because that is what we pay for the service/items at the onset, a tip is going beyond that price...which the market system would set based on supply/demand.
better performance=more money isn't exactly right, as far as what Capitalism means...it only means that private groups/citizens own and operate production means, and thus can reap benefits from their labors taking into account the level of supply versus amount their services/goods (commodities) are in demand.
IF YOU WANT A PLATE OF MY BEEF SWELLINGTON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE COVERCHARGE.
better performance=more money isn't exactly right, as far as what Capitalism means...it only means that private groups/citizens own and operate production means, and thus can reap benefits from their labors taking into account the level of supply versus amount their services/goods (commodities) are in demand.
Yes, I know what capitalism means, thanks. I was sparing everyone the entire lesson as it wasn't relevant. but there is an element of capitalism that rewards performance-it goes along with the public/private provision of goods. I was just making a point that dunk was actually being more anti-capitalist than capitalist in his claim that not tipping is a capitalist move.
WOW.
are you truly serious? do you work in one of those 4-5 star restaurants? and even there....sheesh. i live in NY, work in manhattan....eat in restaurants in both, and 20% is considered a GOOD/fair/generous tip. it's pretty much my standard, i may go over a wee bit for exceptional service, if it's a holiday....or just to round off the $ amount at times....but i highly doubt i EVER tip above say 22% at most. 20% is it. for years 15% was the "standard"...don't remember when it upped to 20, but it absolutely customary for GOOD/great service. i can understand 'wanting' it...i just can't believe you actually get it!
I work in one of the two 'fine-dining' restaurants in my town. On average, the guest check is $50 per person. I want to make $10 in tips per person. I tip out (to the bussers, dishwashers and kitchen) 30% and end up making $7/person that I wait on. Obviously, I love when I get a 30% tip. That probably only happens once or twice a day. Last night I waited on two guys - there bill was $125 and they tipped me $35.
soulsinging, I do make minimum wage on top of my tips, which is $8/hr in California.
I work in one of the two 'fine-dining' restaurants in my town. On average, the guest check is $50 per person. I want to make $10 in tips per person. I tip out (to the bussers, dishwashers and kitchen) 30% and end up making $7/person that I wait on. Obviously, I love when I get a 30% tip. That probably only happens once or twice a day. Last night I waited on two guys - there bill was $125 and they tipped me $35.
soulsinging, I do make minimum wage on top of my tips, which is $8/hr in California.
sounds like i should have been waiting tables in cali, instead of anywhere else in america
sounds like i should have been waiting tables in cali, instead of anywhere else in america
even still, in a really expensive restaurant, waiting tables is a tough job that requires knowledge and skills. Minimum wage without tips is not a lot for that-without tips they may as well work at mcdonalds. This is why they need the tips!
Nope.. as much as I loved California my life there and my lovely friends, etc., having already had worked in Europe before that, I saw what the difference was. Didn't take me long to make up my mind.
Helen has probably gone home now.
I didn't mean to upset soulsingings feelings... I see he's still as bitter as ever... oh dear.
SS yes, you are right about the greed regarding workers in the US... I have absolutely no problem agreeing with you whatsoever.
What I have pointed out before on this thread though, is that NOBODY (with the possible exception of dunk, who knows?) is saying we WON'T tip... we're saying it's a stupid and fucking ridiculous way of paying staff... we're in agreement here so I dunno why you're being so argumentative :rolleyes:
You said greed is more evident in the US... I said it's everywhere... you retorted by saying it may be everywhere but there are laws outside the US to protect you... I'm agreeing. Happy now darling?
I'm not entirely sure what you want from me to be honest... your post was all about American greed and how America's the greediest country in the world and you went off on a rant, how am I supposed to reply exactly? Did you WANT me to continue DEBATING (not arguing)?... if it's just validation you're looking for, can you put that at the end of the post please?
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yeah but in your protest you're hurting other people. If everyone suddenly stopped tipping, it's not going to do any good to "change the system", it's only going to make every server in the country homeless.
So it's up to them to be friendly then. I've no problem with bad (i.e. slow or confused) service... as long as it's polite and friendly. But if somebody is rude serving me... why the fuck should I CARE if they're left homeless or not? They're not my friend or family... if the situation is as you describe it then surely it's in their own best interest to be friendly. The one and ONLY time I have a problem tipping is when they're rude... it's one thing I will not tolerate and I'm certainly not gonna pay them for it.
There's one Polish girl working in the shop across the road... she's simply pig ignorant to everyone... 2 of my housemates are terrified of her. I dunno why they hire her. I've started being as rude to her as she was to me, i.e. no please and thank you and no smile... nothing but attitude... and guess what, she's started to be nice to me now what the fuck?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
your post was all about American greed and how America's the greediest country in the world and you went off on a rant, how am I supposed to reply exactly? Did you WANT me to continue DEBATING (not arguing)?... if it's just validation you're looking for, can you put that at the end of the post please?
what i want is to know if you really disagree with that statement. america is the greediest country in the world. i never said there is no greed anywhere else. i said america is the greediest. and it shows in our laws, our values, our customs, etc. what i want is to know if you seriously disagree with that. or if you simply wrote your sarcastic and irrelevant response about there being greed elsewhere (which had nothing to do with what i wrote) becos every fiber of your being resists admitting that someone else might have a point.
SS yes, you are right about the greed regarding workers in the US... I have absolutely no problem agreeing with you whatsoever.
You said greed is more evident in the US... I said it's everywhere... you retorted by saying it may be everywhere but there are laws outside the US to protect you... I'm agreeing. Happy now darling?
Did you miss these bits SS? How much clearer do you want it to be?
As for your question about whether or not I think America is the greediest country in the world... I'm not well up enough on ALL the countries in the world to agree OR disagree with that. (although I'm sure you'll see this as me being argumentitive) I'm not a HUGE fan of Saudi Arabia either.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
aye.. its not the actual tipping, its the defense of the system by people when it is so obviously flawed.
its akin to me defending working sundays all day in a supermarket.. nobody should work sundays, its a nice day for everyone to have off.. so while its a customary thing here for certain people to work sundays doesnt mean i agree with it and that I will use my last breath to defend it... the opposite.. its a shit system for people who should be at home nursing hangovers... but because of consumerism they have to work.. its crap
well, I'd much rather work on a Sunday (when I practically never do anything anyway..and if no-one was working on Sundays, there would be nothing to be done at all) and have the Thursday and Friday off in exchange (you get paid double on Sunday).
My point is some people are very happy to work Sundays (or nights)
well, I'd much rather work on a Sunday (when I practically never do anything anyway..and if no-one was working on Sundays, there would be nothing to be done at all) and have the Thursday and Friday off in exchange (you get paid double on Sunday).
My point is some people are very happy to work Sundays (or nights)
thats your choice and i'm ok with that... thats you defending that people work a Sunday.. now i personally think its shit that we are all so consumer driven that we cant have a day when shops are shut... but thats just me.. but my point was not the working of a sunday per se... but me defending that when i dont think its a good idea.
so GreenT and Souly were kinda defending the mechanisms for the tipping culture of the US.. but even Souly knows the system is fucking flawed to pieces but he still defended it using customs, american greed, etc.
now i dont like working sundays ergo i'll not come on here and say its a good thing.. but you do so thats fine.. but i find it nigh on impossible to believe thats someone actually likes the tipping method over there.. that they think its a good idea... cos it doesnt have one benefit that i can see.. not one.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
thats your choice and i'm ok with that... thats you defending that people work a Sunday.. now i personally think its shit that we are all so consumer driven that we cant have a day when shops are shut... but thats just me.. but my point was not the working of a sunday per se... but me defending that when i dont think its a good idea.
so GreenT and Souly were kinda defending the mechanisms for the tipping culture of the US.. but even Souly knows the system is fucking flawed to pieces but he still defended it using customs, american greed, etc.
now i dont like working sundays ergo i'll not come on here and say its a good thing.. but you do so thats fine.. but i find it nigh on impossible to believe thats someone actually likes the tipping method over there.. that they think its a good idea... cos it doesnt have one benefit that i can see.. not one.
do you know the difference between defense and explanation?
Perhaps you should read other peoples response before you go off on one:
Did you miss these bits SS? How much clearer do you want it to be?
As for your question about whether or not I think America is the greediest country in the world... I'm not well up enough on ALL the countries in the world to agree OR disagree with that. (although I'm sure you'll see this as me being argumentitive) I'm not a HUGE fan of Saudi Arabia either.
for the sake of us both not spending the whole day smashing our respective heads against brick walls, ill say "cool. got it."
for the sake of us both not spending the whole day smashing our respective heads against brick walls, ill say "cool. got it."
I'll accept that as your apology then so
Forgiven!
There was no head banging against brick... I agreed with you a long time ago, you're the one who seems to be turning it into some kinda heated argument when we're both agreeing that the system is fucked. Start a relationship thread and I'll argue with ya there SS but you're not getting one out of me here, ok?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
There was no head banging against brick... I agreed with you a long time ago, you're the one who seems to be turning it into some kinda heated argument when we're both agreeing that the system is fucked. Start a relationship thread and I'll argue with ya there SS but you're not getting one out of me here, ok?
*sigh*
and we were so close to peace...
1. not an apology. a truce.
2. you just proved my point by being utterly unable to accept any responsibility for anything and inevitably place blame on someone else for anything amiss becos god knows you have NEVER been wrong or made a mistake before.
3. i have no idea what you think i'm trying to get out of you. i said the greed in the UK and europe cannot compare to the greed in America. i havent seen you offer one bit of evidence or logic to rebut that.
4. i know you cannot address number 3. the posts you quoted to me do not address number 3 and vastly distort and misinterpret my argument to suit your purposes. mentioning saudi arabia does not address number 3, but to play along: it's a good second, but still only second.
5. stay in construction. you would get humiliated in a profession that requires reason and substantive support for your positions.
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aye.. its not the actual tipping, its the defense of the system by people when it is so obviously flawed.
its akin to me defending working sundays all day in a supermarket.. nobody should work sundays, its a nice day for everyone to have off.. so while its a customary thing here for certain people to work sundays doesnt mean i agree with it and that I will use my last breath to defend it... the opposite.. its a shit system for people who should be at home nursing hangovers... but because of consumerism they have to work.. its crap
yeah but in your protest you're hurting other people. If everyone suddenly stopped tipping, it's not going to do any good to "change the system", it's only going to make every server in the country homeless.
My dad says stores used to be closed on Sundays in the US as well. Actually he rants about how the loss of the that has affected families. Nowadays I know of some suburban large chain grocery stores that are open 24/7-365. They don't close for even a single holiday. That's consumerism.
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
fucking fascist religious fundamentalist... yeah, got to make sure we all rest on the day jesus said so!
that it?
im not defending the system, im explaining it. it's a stupid system. but it's there and there's not a damn thing to be done about it so im explaining why it would be a shitty thing to fuck over the people who cannot help it.
the only reason stuff was closed on sundays was so people could go to church, it wasn't because all the employers were nice and gave people a day off. I'd rather work on sunday than have to go to church.
you just explained capitalism
yeah we know that... a lot of customs are religion based.. i get 2 days off at Christmas... for all you know i could be Jewish.. i still get the 2 days off.. i hate church and religion.. but having a sunday off is a nice thing... i do family stuff and generally relax... everyone should have that day off together.. its nice
id think it goes back further than that.
also, most americans dont complain about that. wait tables and see how the rednecks or the sunday brunch people tip. im not joking when i say church groups have left me religious flyers instead of cash. and that is why WE complain about it, becos SOME of us are smarter than that and think it's shitty to fuck over the poor. but we know we're outnumbered in our own country and cant do much about it. so we try to do what we can, like not fuck over the waitress just becos 55% of her fellow citizens are ignorant morons.
um, you guys have never studied economics have you? there is nothing inherently "wrong" with capitalism, it is just type of market structure, the same as socialism. It's not a dirty word, and it doesn't mean "fucking over the poor..." at all.
not tipping is not being "capitalist". It's being selfish, but it's actually being anti-capitalist. tipping can be seen as part of capitalism (the better performance, the more money, that's like pure capitalism).
I hate when people use terms incorrectly.
have you ever used the term 'joke' or 'humour'?
Oh I'm sorry, it was too early in the morning for me and I answered your first question incorrectly lol. No, you don't have to tip the bus driver. I was thinking more of a tourist bus trip. For instance when I was in Ireland we were told to tip our bus driver but he drove us around for 2 weeks.
I would never tip a bus driver going from one city to another or one state to another or going to Canada but I have tipped bus drivers taking us to baseball games in NYC and to casinos. Usually if a bus driver is looking for a tip he or she will pass an envelope around but it is optional. Remember no matter what, tipping is optional unless you're in a large party at a restaurant because the restaurant will just add the tip to you bill.
You'll be spending enough money here and in Canada so don't think you have to tip everyone.
Hope you have a great time!
can you explain why you kept hiking the rates during a possible recession?? that one never made sense.
:rolleyes:
by the way, tipping isn't a pure form of capitalism as a market structure...inasmuch as Dunk was explaining in his other tirades against the concept of tipping. you see, whether the service was good or not, as Americans we feel obligated to tip. It shouldn't be considered part of market reach of services rendered, because that is what we pay for the service/items at the onset, a tip is going beyond that price...which the market system would set based on supply/demand.
better performance=more money isn't exactly right, as far as what Capitalism means...it only means that private groups/citizens own and operate production means, and thus can reap benefits from their labors taking into account the level of supply versus amount their services/goods (commodities) are in demand.
actually it's Green as in environment.
Yes, I know what capitalism means, thanks. I was sparing everyone the entire lesson as it wasn't relevant. but there is an element of capitalism that rewards performance-it goes along with the public/private provision of goods. I was just making a point that dunk was actually being more anti-capitalist than capitalist in his claim that not tipping is a capitalist move.
I work in one of the two 'fine-dining' restaurants in my town. On average, the guest check is $50 per person. I want to make $10 in tips per person. I tip out (to the bussers, dishwashers and kitchen) 30% and end up making $7/person that I wait on. Obviously, I love when I get a 30% tip. That probably only happens once or twice a day. Last night I waited on two guys - there bill was $125 and they tipped me $35.
soulsinging, I do make minimum wage on top of my tips, which is $8/hr in California.
sounds like i should have been waiting tables in cali, instead of anywhere else in america
even still, in a really expensive restaurant, waiting tables is a tough job that requires knowledge and skills. Minimum wage without tips is not a lot for that-without tips they may as well work at mcdonalds. This is why they need the tips!
Don't you guys have minimum wage laws over in Americaland?
Yep we do. It varies by state I believe. Ours in Oregon is $7.50 an hour I think
SS yes, you are right about the greed regarding workers in the US... I have absolutely no problem agreeing with you whatsoever.
What I have pointed out before on this thread though, is that NOBODY (with the possible exception of dunk, who knows?) is saying we WON'T tip... we're saying it's a stupid and fucking ridiculous way of paying staff... we're in agreement here so I dunno why you're being so argumentative :rolleyes:
You said greed is more evident in the US... I said it's everywhere... you retorted by saying it may be everywhere but there are laws outside the US to protect you... I'm agreeing. Happy now darling?
I'm not entirely sure what you want from me to be honest... your post was all about American greed and how America's the greediest country in the world and you went off on a rant, how am I supposed to reply exactly? Did you WANT me to continue DEBATING (not arguing)?... if it's just validation you're looking for, can you put that at the end of the post please?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
There's one Polish girl working in the shop across the road... she's simply pig ignorant to everyone... 2 of my housemates are terrified of her. I dunno why they hire her. I've started being as rude to her as she was to me, i.e. no please and thank you and no smile... nothing but attitude... and guess what, she's started to be nice to me now
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
what i want is to know if you really disagree with that statement. america is the greediest country in the world. i never said there is no greed anywhere else. i said america is the greediest. and it shows in our laws, our values, our customs, etc. what i want is to know if you seriously disagree with that. or if you simply wrote your sarcastic and irrelevant response about there being greed elsewhere (which had nothing to do with what i wrote) becos every fiber of your being resists admitting that someone else might have a point.
Perhaps you should read other peoples response before you go off on one:
Did you miss these bits SS?
As for your question about whether or not I think America is the greediest country in the world... I'm not well up enough on ALL the countries in the world to agree OR disagree with that. (although I'm sure you'll see this as me being argumentitive) I'm not a HUGE fan of Saudi Arabia either.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
My point is some people are very happy to work Sundays (or nights)
thats your choice and i'm ok with that... thats you defending that people work a Sunday.. now i personally think its shit that we are all so consumer driven that we cant have a day when shops are shut... but thats just me.. but my point was not the working of a sunday per se... but me defending that when i dont think its a good idea.
so GreenT and Souly were kinda defending the mechanisms for the tipping culture of the US.. but even Souly knows the system is fucking flawed to pieces but he still defended it using customs, american greed, etc.
now i dont like working sundays ergo i'll not come on here and say its a good thing.. but you do so thats fine.. but i find it nigh on impossible to believe thats someone actually likes the tipping method over there.. that they think its a good idea... cos it doesnt have one benefit that i can see.. not one.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
do you know the difference between defense and explanation?
for the sake of us both not spending the whole day smashing our respective heads against brick walls, ill say "cool. got it."
Forgiven!
There was no head banging against brick... I agreed with you a long time ago, you're the one who seems to be turning it into some kinda heated argument when we're both agreeing that the system is fucked. Start a relationship thread and I'll argue with ya there SS but you're not getting one out of me here, ok?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
*sigh*
and we were so close to peace...
1. not an apology. a truce.
2. you just proved my point by being utterly unable to accept any responsibility for anything and inevitably place blame on someone else for anything amiss becos god knows you have NEVER been wrong or made a mistake before.
3. i have no idea what you think i'm trying to get out of you. i said the greed in the UK and europe cannot compare to the greed in America. i havent seen you offer one bit of evidence or logic to rebut that.
4. i know you cannot address number 3. the posts you quoted to me do not address number 3 and vastly distort and misinterpret my argument to suit your purposes. mentioning saudi arabia does not address number 3, but to play along: it's a good second, but still only second.
5. stay in construction. you would get humiliated in a profession that requires reason and substantive support for your positions.