I never said I agreed with it :eek: I was just commenting on something dunk said about whether or not serial killing is art and providing an example of someone who thinks it can be. I also don't think Stockhausen was in any way justifying or praising it, he was just saying that conceptually, for what it set out to do, it was perfect. Of course, a great deal of conceptual art is bullshit and grotesque. See that baldy german guy who cuts himself with razors and rolls about in his blood naked for details
I personally am undecided on what constitutes art anyway. A lot conceptual stuff seems to me a confusion of the difference between an action and a creation but then, you could argue that the concept itself is a creation.
Just to summarise, I do not think flying planes into buildings is artistic!
Nice save kid. Quite the hot steaming pile of shit you stepped into there..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Like someone taking a dump on the American flag and calling it art. (no comment from the euros. lol)
i truly believe that if that was sitting in an exhibition at Momo or the Tate then retards would go along and twitch their thick glasses whilst they ummed and ahhhd about the artists real intent and meaning..
"uh yah... it's proto-realism at work... the defecation of democracy in this age of terror... its nihilistic yet pulchritudinous...."
wrong... its a shit on a flag
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
You know, that photo with the bear is kind of cool, but yeah the rest is pretty shitty..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
i truly believe that if that was sitting in an exhibition at Momo or the Tate then retards would go along and twitch their thick glasses whilst they ummed and ahhhd about the artists real intent and meaning..
"uh yah... it's proto-realism at work... the defecation of democracy in this age of terror... its nihilistic yet pulchritudinous...."
wrong... its a shit on a flag
I don't like to blow smoke up you kilt, you know that, but that's spot on.
It's not so much about art, more about the art of bullshitting.
It's like all the people who were crap at art got together and decided they were good at it, and learned how to talk so clever, that everyone stopped questioning what the actually produced.
i truly believe that if that was sitting in an exhibition at Momo or the Tate then retards would go along and twitch their thick glasses whilst they ummed and ahhhd about the artists real intent and meaning..
"uh yah... it's proto-realism at work... the defecation of democracy in this age of terror... its nihilistic yet pulchritudinous...."
wrong... its a shit on a flag
What is a punch in the face? It's a punch in the face. But it's also an expression of anger, frustration, discontentment, you name it... and there's always a reason behind a punch.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Nice save kid. Quite the hot steaming pile of shit you stepped into there..
I know :eek: I understand why people are quick to snap over the subject but the reaction was such that I had to go back and check that I didn't accidentally post "I think 9/11 was awesome and better than the Sistine Chapel"
I'm all about generating debate folks, just don't kill me
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
What is a punch in the face? It's a punch in the face. But it's also an expression of anger, frustration, discontentment, you name it... and there's always a reason behind a punch.
But I bet you'd be pissed off if a conceptual artist punched you in the face every time you went into an art gallery.;)
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I don't like to blow smoke up you kilt, you know that, but that's spot on.
It's not so much about art, more about the art of bullshitting.
It's like all the people who were crap at art got together and decided they were good at it, and learned how to talk so clever, that everyone stopped questioning what the actually produced.
Amazingly, considering the amount I have opposed you two in this thread, I am exactly the same with almost all modern art. I once upset a good friend and artist a fair bit with my cynical comments while walking around the Tate modern. It wasn't so much the pieces themselves, I can make my own mind about them and what they do for me, I fucking HATE the little white description plaques that tell you what the hell they are supposed to mean. "This large, sheet blue canvas represents the futility of life and the anxiety of the artist. The small yellow tear near the top-right hand corner is a reflection of the imposing influences on the artists psyche and the feeling of violation he feels at the hands of extraneous, influences".
The way I see it is, if it needs to be explained to me on a card before I can FEEL anything for it, it isn't art. That's pretty much the best way I can sum up my thoughts on modern art.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
But I bet you'd be pissed off if a conceptual artist punched you in the face every time you went into an art gallery.;)
Haha.
They don't punch people in the face very often, but some of 'em are clearly trying to piss off Scotsmen.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
But I bet you'd be pissed off if a conceptual artist punched you in the face every time you went into an art gallery.;)
That would actually be more interesting..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
What is a punch in the face? It's a punch in the face. But it's also an expression of anger, frustration, discontentment, you name it... and there's always a reason behind a punch.
ehhhhh.. so are you saying a shit on a flag is art simply because it has a reason behind it?
so car crashes, murders, a collapsed souffle... these horrific travesties are art because they have a reason or cause an expression of emotion... especially the souffle.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
ehhhhh.. so are you saying a shit on a flag is art simply because it has a reason behind it?
so car crashes, murders, a collapsed souffle... these horrific travesties are art because they have a reason or cause an expression of emotion... especially the souffle.
According to some of these people (I'm with Jamie - NOT ME!), yes.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Amazingly, considering the amount I have opposed you two in this thread, I am exactly the same with almost all modern art. I once upset a good friend and artist a fair bit with my cynical comments while walking around the Tate modern. It wasn't so much the pieces themselves, I can make my own mind about them and what they do for me, I fucking HATE the little white description plaques that tell you what the hell they are supposed to mean. "This large, sheet blue canvas represents the futility of life and the anxiety of the artist. The small yellow tear near the top-right hand corner is a reflection of the imposing influences on the artists psyche and the feeling of violation he feels at the hands of extraneous, influences".
The way I see it is, if it needs to be explained to me on a card before I can FEEL anything for it, it isn't art. That's pretty much the best way I can sum up my thoughts on modern art.
you got it in one chief... i dont get that shit displayed to me on the screen when i watch a Kieslowski movie.... its left to the viewer.
man in a bear suit... clearly Bungle was ahead of his time then
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
According to some of these people (I'm with Jamie - NOT ME!), yes.
then those people can line up.. i'll punch them to a pulp ... its art.
cant you see the lunacy of that... it takes no talent... none at all...
i'm actually getting annoyed about this
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
you got it in one chief... i dont get that shit displayed to me on the screen when i watch a Kieslowski movie.... its left to the viewer.
man in a bear suit... clearly Bungle was ahead of his time then
Fuck yeah, I finally watched Kieslowski's Rouge the other day and finished the trilogy. THAT is art. Had me thinking about it all night so it must be
Bungle was scary.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
you got it in one chief... i dont get that shit displayed to me on the screen when i watch a Kieslowski movie.... its left to the viewer.
man in a bear suit... clearly Bungle was ahead of his time then
And Bungle could talk. He could tell you what he meant, unlike the useless fucker of a bear you posted.
And if he had a problem - a face full of cake, for example - he had his friends, Zippie and George to speak for him.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I don't like to blow smoke up you kilt, you know that, but that's spot on.
It's not so much about art, more about the art of bullshitting.
It's like all the people who were crap at art got together and decided they were good at it, and learned how to talk so clever, that everyone stopped questioning what the actually produced.
totally agree
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
then those people can line up.. i'll punch them to a pulp ... its art.
cant you see the lunacy of that... it takes no talent... none at all...
i'm actually getting annoyed about this
They WANT you to. EMBRACE THE ANGER DUDE!
(And hey, if you wanna express it, let us know what you came up with)
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
then those people can line up.. i'll punch them to a pulp ... its art.
cant you see the lunacy of that... it takes no talent... none at all...
i'm actually getting annoyed about this
Then you need to chillax I disagree with you to an extent but I'm not annoyed. What is worse is that some people are so sure that something is shit and not art BECAUSE they hate the idea of these pretentious, meaningless concepts that they actually miss some of the worth of it. I wonder how many people who said Lou Reed was a cunt for releasing Metal Machine Music actually listened to it for more than 10 seconds? It's not great but I've heard much worse noise music and in a way, MMM is fairly melodic, ambient music Yes, the supposed reasons for releasing it are a bit wank whichever way you look at it, it's not a bad album.
Just think, these Rothko paintings you don't care much for would make cracking wallpaper.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
If he does express it, it'll probably be destructive rather than creative.;)
My guess is he'll just go and have sex.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I dunno but if he doesn't he fucking should do. It's the future!
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I dunno but if he doesn't he fucking should do. It's the future!
Get on the blower (not a filthy euphemism) to Apple and pitch it to them. They'll take your idea, send huge men round to beat you into signing a legal waiver releasing all rights to it and then kill you anyway but by god, I'll put your name on the Gigante wikipedia page.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
i'm going to make a vibrating iPod... for the ladies.
VibePod
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i'm going to make a vibrating iPod... for the ladies.
VibePod
Will it vibrate to the rhythm of the track currently playing?
Stick some squarepusher on and take a ride to elysian fields.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Get on the blower (not a filthy euphemism) to Apple and pitch it to them. They'll take your idea, send huge men round to beat you into signing a legal waiver releasing all rights to it and then kill you anyway but by god, I'll put your name on the Gigante wikipedia page.
Wait - that was my idea!:p I should be the one having my idea stolen, and being beaten, and killed...
Um... come to think of it... HLF thought of it.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Just think, these Rothko paintings you don't care much for would make cracking wallpaper.
Or you could have a 10 foot tall yellow steel balloon dog on your back porch, that is if you have a few million dollars lying around.
Has anyone seen the Koons on the roof of the Met yet?
I found this on youtube and it is definitely worth the few minutes. I love how dismissive the artist is at the end.
ehhhhh.. so are you saying a shit on a flag is art simply because it has a reason behind it?
so car crashes, murders, a collapsed souffle... these horrific travesties are art because they have a reason or cause an expression of emotion... especially the souffle.
no, no.
art is only a subset of emotion...
all art should cause emotion..... but not everything that causes emotion is art.
i could draw you a Venn Diagram of it.....
save me, i'm a math nerd.
~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
Comments
Nice save kid. Quite the hot steaming pile of shit you stepped into there..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
i truly believe that if that was sitting in an exhibition at Momo or the Tate then retards would go along and twitch their thick glasses whilst they ummed and ahhhd about the artists real intent and meaning..
"uh yah... it's proto-realism at work... the defecation of democracy in this age of terror... its nihilistic yet pulchritudinous...."
wrong... its a shit on a flag
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I don't like to blow smoke up you kilt, you know that, but that's spot on.
It's not so much about art, more about the art of bullshitting.
It's like all the people who were crap at art got together and decided they were good at it, and learned how to talk so clever, that everyone stopped questioning what the actually produced.
What is a punch in the face? It's a punch in the face. But it's also an expression of anger, frustration, discontentment, you name it... and there's always a reason behind a punch.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I'm all about generating debate folks, just don't kill me
But I bet you'd be pissed off if a conceptual artist punched you in the face every time you went into an art gallery.;)
The way I see it is, if it needs to be explained to me on a card before I can FEEL anything for it, it isn't art. That's pretty much the best way I can sum up my thoughts on modern art.
Haha.
They don't punch people in the face very often, but some of 'em are clearly trying to piss off Scotsmen.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
That would actually be more interesting..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
It might just be the one endeavour they succeed at.:p
They'd probably sign it in the blood from the victim's nosebleed. Which is actually pretty badass.
ehhhhh.. so are you saying a shit on a flag is art simply because it has a reason behind it?
so car crashes, murders, a collapsed souffle... these horrific travesties are art because they have a reason or cause an expression of emotion... especially the souffle.
According to some of these people (I'm with Jamie - NOT ME!), yes.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
you got it in one chief... i dont get that shit displayed to me on the screen when i watch a Kieslowski movie.... its left to the viewer.
man in a bear suit... clearly Bungle was ahead of his time then
then those people can line up.. i'll punch them to a pulp ... its art.
cant you see the lunacy of that... it takes no talent... none at all...
i'm actually getting annoyed about this
Bungle was scary.
And Bungle could talk. He could tell you what he meant, unlike the useless fucker of a bear you posted.
And if he had a problem - a face full of cake, for example - he had his friends, Zippie and George to speak for him.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
totally agree
They WANT you to. EMBRACE THE ANGER DUDE!
(And hey, if you wanna express it, let us know what you came up with)
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
If he does express it, it'll probably be destructive rather than creative.;)
Just think, these Rothko paintings you don't care much for would make cracking wallpaper.
My guess is he'll just go and have sex.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Think he's got an iPod Gigante?
:eek:
I dunno but if he doesn't he fucking should do. It's the future!
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
i'm going to make a vibrating iPod... for the ladies.
VibePod
Stick some squarepusher on and take a ride to elysian fields.
Wait - that was my idea!:p I should be the one having my idea stolen, and being beaten, and killed...
Um... come to think of it... HLF thought of it.
Or you could have a 10 foot tall yellow steel balloon dog on your back porch, that is if you have a few million dollars lying around.
Has anyone seen the Koons on the roof of the Met yet?
I found this on youtube and it is definitely worth the few minutes. I love how dismissive the artist is at the end.
no, no.
art is only a subset of emotion...
all art should cause emotion..... but not everything that causes emotion is art.
i could draw you a Venn Diagram of it.....
save me, i'm a math nerd.