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modern art = shit

dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
edited May 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1985.63.5.jpg

shit


http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/image_galleries/turner_prize_2007_gallery.shtml

all 4 of these examples = shit
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    agreed
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    http://www.truetalkblog.com/truetalk/images/dscn1302_2.jpg

    shit
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    dunkman wrote:
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1985.63.5.jpg

    shit


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/image_galleries/turner_prize_2007_gallery.shtml

    all 4 of these examples = shit

    AWWWWWWWWWWW C'MON!!! That bear was a riot!!!!!

    Kinda creepy too. Reminded me of The Shining.
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  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    LMAO!! I'm an art lover, but i'm kinda on the fence about modern art.... some of it i like, some if it makes you go "hmmmm"....

    shit, or not shit. in my mind, the whole idea behind art is to make you think, to cause you to feel something, to ask questions, to start discussions...

    so if you're standing there, looking at a plain laquered red slab of wood in a museum, and wondering "why the fuck is this art? this is shit... i'm so angry!" and then you tell your friend about how shitty you think it is, and you have a good laugh over it... well then, it's done it's job! :p:D

    here are a couple of personal 'favorites' of mine: ;)

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/59646

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/157156
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    http://www.dirtymouse.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/stefan_b.jpg

    total cock
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • GreenTeaDiseaseGreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    yeah I remember viewing the modern art theses at my college every year and thinking "you needed 4 years at a top college to do this?"

    it was always like random bits of things glued together.
  • TrixieCatTrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    I find myself appreciating alot of modern art purely in a comical sense. Like the Sex and the City episode with the art installation where Carrie was caught laughing while all these nerds stood around being all philisophical.
    Art is purely about evoking emotion. It isn't intellectual, never claimed to be.
    I get the biggest kicks out of the installations like a room that was set on fire or a ransacked fridge.
    Van Gogh has always been at the top of my list....the dude painted vases of flowers. :p
    It is not cerebral, it is emotional.

    And yes, that stuff stinks. :)
    I am more into modern photography manipulation, sculpture and the works of our own chiquimonkey. :)
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    I believe your first link was Mark Rothko. And Mark Rothko = awesome, as are most of the Abstract Expressionists.

    And by the way, are we talking Modern Art? Or Conceptual Art? Because lots of Conceptual art is shit.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

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  • memememe Posts: 4,695
    My son (8) at one of the lower floors at moma:

    "mom, why is a rusty bike hanging from the ceiling art?"
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    LMAO!! I'm an art lover, but i'm kinda on the fence about modern art.... some of it i like, some if it makes you go "hmmmm"....

    shit, or not shit. in my mind, the whole idea behind art is to make you think, to cause you to feel something, to ask questions, to start discussions...

    so if you're standing there, looking at a plain laquered red slab of wood in a museum, and wondering "why the fuck is this art? this is shit... i'm so angry!" and then you tell your friend about how shitty you think it is, and you have a good laugh over it... well then, it's done it's job! :p:D

    here are a couple of personal 'favorites' of mine: ;)

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/59646

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/157156

    using the red lacquered wood idea then... i stand and look at cycle lanes on the road that last 3 feet... i get angry thinking "why the fuck is that even there!! its shorter than my bike!!"
    its not art.... its crap.

    whats even shitter than the actual art is the total verbal puke they write about the 'art' in order to justify its greatness... take that 2nd of yours

    llsworth Kelly’s paintings emphasize the basics of color, form, and shape. .... just as he was beginning to explore the near-infinite possibilities of monochrome, the color spectrum, chance ordering, and multipanel composition.

    i.e. he had 4 tins of leftover paint, a 4foot bit of wood and 18 minutes to spare.

    i could make up modern art every day if i wanted to... so here we go

    man standing in a kids paddling pool wearing a suit entirely made out of burnt toast... this is man's effect on the planet... our carbon footprint and the lack of available water ... etc blah puke shit

    if i was in charge of a country i'd chuck out all of them idiots to Albania... see how how they make a fortune telling a poor country that a light bulb art piece signifies the "... idolisation of the electron and the blase attitude of our internal psyche to harness power.."

    its a fucking light bulb with the word 'idea' written on it with a magic marker
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I believe your first link was Mark Rothko. And Mark Rothko = awesome, as are most of the Abstract Expressionists.

    And by the way, are we talking Modern Art? Or Conceptual Art? Because lots of Conceptual art is shit.

    yes, i think dunky is referring to something more along the lines of conceptual art....

    modern art is way to big a category to be hating ALL of it! :D
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I believe your first link was Mark Rothko. And Mark Rothko = awesome, as are most of the Abstract Expressionists.

    And by the way, are we talking Modern Art? Or Conceptual Art? Because lots of Conceptual art is shit.


    it was indeed...
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1985.63.5.jpg

    but its total shit...

    we are talking about shit art... i.e. stuff we could all do if we could talk enough bollocks about it

    great art = stuff we couldnt do as we're not that talented
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    dunkman wrote:
    we are talking about shit art... i.e. stuff we could all do if we could talk enough bollocks about it

    great art = stuff we couldnt do as we're not that talented


    hahah!! i love it! that's a very good description... :)
    ~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    TrixieCat wrote:
    Art is purely about evoking emotion. It isn't intellectual, never claimed to be.
    I get the biggest kicks out of the installations like a room that was set on fire or a ransacked fridge.

    you described a hungry arsonists house.... thats not art :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • thunderDANthunderDAN Posts: 2,094
    http://www.expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/77922

    this one is cool though
  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    LOL! i saw this one when it was at the Art Institute of Chicago:

    http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?criteria=O%3ADE%3AI%3A5%7CG%3AHO%3AE%3A1&page_number=79&template_id=1&sort_order=1

    read the description dunky... it should piss you right off! :)
    ~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    it was indeed...
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1985.63.5.jpg

    but its total shit...

    we are talking about shit art... i.e. stuff we could all do if we could talk enough bollocks about it

    great art = stuff we couldnt do as we're not that talented

    That link = Rothko = Modern art. And I fucking love Mark Rothko. :)

    Modern art = well, Modernist (early 1900s to around 1960s) and Conceptual art = Post-modernist (1960s onwards).. Most of the shit you'll see which is totally contemporary - Toilets encased in perspex boxes, bears standing in the middle of the room - is shit conceptual art where the *idea* is the art, not the execution of the idea itself. :)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    dunkman wrote:
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1985.63.5.jpg

    shit


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/image_galleries/turner_prize_2007_gallery.shtml

    all 4 of these examples = shit

    I liked 2 and 4

    Dunk, do you know what the concepts behind these pieces are?
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  • releaselaurenreleaselauren Posts: 384
    My sister and I were walking around the Art Institute in Chicago over a year ago and as we walked through the Contemporary Art gallery, we noticed Christmas lights on the floor. "Hmm, that's odd" and we assumed someone forgot to hang them up. Nope, it was "Art". Christmas lights laying on the floor. Oh, yes, there were also hundreds of colored pieces of hard candy on the floor, also "Art".

    I went home and took the lights off my Christmas tree, put them on the floor and called it "Art". In fact, I toss paper towels around my kitchen and where they land....it is "Art".
    :cool:


    Modern Art = Shit.
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  • Hitch-HikerHitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    LOL! i saw this one when it was at the Art Institute of Chicago:

    http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?criteria=O%3ADE%3AI%3A5%7CG%3AHO%3AE%3A1&page_number=79&template_id=1&sort_order=1

    read the description dunky... it should piss you right off! :)
    It's a fucking big black square!!! I could've spread a bin liner across my kitchen table and got the same result. For fusck's sake, these things are ridiculous. I'm with Dunk 100% on this one.
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  • eMMIeMMI Posts: 6,262
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    LOL! i saw this one when it was at the Art Institute of Chicago:

    http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?criteria=O%3ADE%3AI%3A5%7CG%3AHO%3AE%3A1&page_number=79&template_id=1&sort_order=1

    read the description dunky... it should piss you right off! :)

    :mad:


    ok, that pissed ME off. lol. what a piece of crappola. "But longer viewing reveals more than one shade of black and an underlying geometric structure."
    wtf? does it just not work on computer or did I not stare at it long enough. :rolleyes:



    I don't like/understand art that I could easily make myself. like painting a canvas with just one colour or something. it makes me furious, that just cause someone did that and came up with a clever story explaining why what he just did is clever and important, people will pay insane amounts of money for it.

    argh!
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  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    we really shouldn't forget that some of people's favorite "real" artists fall under the 'modern art' category:

    Picasso
    Seurat
    Matisse
    Modigiliani
    Van Gogh
    Klimt
    Dali


    what about Jackson Pollock? can you splatter paint better than him?

    what about Warhol? are soup cans art?

    so many questions.... :p
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  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    eMMI wrote:
    ok, that pissed ME off. lol. what a piece of crappola. "But longer viewing reveals more than one shade of black and an underlying geometric structure."
    wtf? does it just not work on computer or did I not stare at it long enough. :rolleyes:

    lol... yes, in person, you can see the nine black squares.... black on black... i can't see it on my monitor either....


    i'm don't disagree with you guys! it's rediculous... but i love the reactions! :)
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    we really shouldn't forget that some of people's favorite "real" artists fall under the 'modern art' category:

    Picasso
    Seurat
    Matisse
    Modigiliani
    Van Gogh
    Klimt
    Dali


    what about Jackson Pollock? can you splatter paint better than him?

    what about Warhol? are soup cans art?

    so many questions.... :p

    Rothko
    Kandinsky
    Miro
    Pollock

    Abstract Expressionists. All awesome, and all of them modern art. :)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • thunderDANthunderDAN Posts: 2,094
    how about this one..
    http://www.blackratpress.co.uk/images_loaded/product-for-salesold-20070207070210.jpg
  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    That link = Rothko = Modern art.

    Modern art = well, Modernist (early 1900s to around 1960s) and Conceptual art = Post-modernist (1960s onwards).. Most of the shit you'll see which is totally contemporary - Toilets encased in perspex boxes, bears standing in the middle of the room - is shit conceptual art where the *idea* is the art, not the execution of the idea itself. :)

    art –noun
    1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
    2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
    3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.

    Nothing there saying that toilets encased in perspex boxes, unmade beds or cows in formaldahyde isn't art.

    Infact, as I see it, expression, realm and aesthetic principles can quite easily be conceptual.

    I get tired of the attitude (not saying that you have it, Mark) that art is only art if it takes skill and talent. There are no rules. Things are only as 'shit' or 'brilliant' as people see them as individuals. One person's Monet is another's Hirst... it's all subjective.

    Like alot of people, I used to hate the work of Damien Hirst. That was until I actually went and saw it, was in it's presence... my opinion swiftly changed. Seeing an artist's work on the internet or in a book certainly doesn't do it justice. People don't visit art galleries enough anymore... go and see some art in the flesh with an open mind...you'll be surprised at what affects you ;)
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    That link = Rothko = Modern art. And I fucking love Mark Rothko. :)

    Modern art = well, Modernist (early 1900s to around 1960s) and Conceptual art = Post-modernist (1960s onwards).. Most of the shit you'll see which is totally contemporary - Toilets encased in perspex boxes, bears standing in the middle of the room - is shit conceptual art where the *idea* is the art, not the execution of the idea itself. :)


    i agree with all of this.
    i LOVE rothko...gorgeous, beautiful paintings.
    i do enjoy some conceptual art as well. some i think is shite...some i think is brilliant, but i agree whole-heartedly, it is the *idea* more than anything. i think marcel duchamp and the DaDaists were the first, if not amongst the firsts, to question what *IS* art....and present ideas/work that challenged the very idea of WHAT it is. so yes, art CAN be VERY cerebral/intellectual, very emotive, any/all combinations of such. think duchamps urinal simply signed 'R.Mutt'.......:p

    it is not simply a question of CAN you do it, but would you do so, would you think to do so, etc.


    as ever...quite subjective. agree, disagree...c'est la vie. i won't *argue* about it....i'll simply have my own opinions, and if you happen to think art i enjoy is shite...well so be it..it in no way will interfere with my enjoyment of it.
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  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    Sian-of-the-dead wrote:
    People don't visit art galleries enough anymore... go and see some art in the flesh with an open mind...you'll be surprised at what affects you ;)

    ament to that, sister! :D
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Sian-of-the-dead wrote:
    art –noun
    1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
    2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
    3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.

    Nothing there saying that toilets encased in perspex boxes, unmade beds or cows in formaldahyde isn't[/] art.

    Infact, as I see it, expression, realm and aesthetic principles can quite easily be conceptual.

    I get tired of the attitude (not saying that you have it, Mark) that art is only art if it takes skill and talent. There are no rules. Things are only as 'shit' or 'brilliant' as people see them as individuals. One person's Monet is another's Hirst... it's all subjective.

    Like alot of people, I used to hate the work of Damien Hirst. That was until I actually went and saw it, was in it's presence... my opinion swiftly changed. Seeing an artist's work on the internet or in a book certainly doesn't do it justice. People don't visit art galleries enough anymore... go and see some art in the flesh with an open mind...you'll be surprised at what affects you ;)

    Totally agree with everything here, and hopefully I didn't sound as if I was saying *all* conceptual art is bad.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • eMMIeMMI Posts: 6,262
    civ_eng_girl wrote:
    lol... yes, in person, you can see the nine black squares.... black on black... i can't see it on my monitor either....


    i'm don't disagree with you guys! it's rediculous... but i love the reactions! :)

    I kinda figured so. but still, it's a black square divided into smaller squares..


    lol. this thread makes me laugh too. :)
    "Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
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