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  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    Oh perlease people.
    I think I'm right in saying, what the man means is, those crappy blocks of colour, or blokes dressing up in bear suits, or putting a dead sheep in a bath tub, or turning up someones dustbin, and saying it's arty and clever is shit, and by no means clever at all. And those that think it is are just a little teencey, weencey bit pretencious about it, in fact he's right in my opinion.

    My friend went to the Tate Modern, said in one room was a tv screen with a video clip of a naked bloke jumping around on it....and all these wankers were trying to make out how 'surreal', how 'thought provoking' it was, when in fact it was just idiotic, or you could say...shit!

    Now learn to paint, or sculpt properly, or find something else to do. Let the real artists back in.
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    you said "try these"

    and then listed 4 world famous artists dude..

    be like you starting a thread called "cars = shit" and then me going.. hey man.. try these Alfa Romeo, Porsche, Ferrari.... you'd just be like... yeah man i know what they are.

    you implied i hadnt seen a picasso, or a klimt, or munch, or pollock.. etc... with the "try these" comment.

    i've heard of Chigall.. can i recall all of his art from the recesses of my drug-addled brain... no.. hence why i looked his stuff up.

    anyway... brown bear in a fucking suit on my first post = shit ;):D

    I would've put Chagall in the 'world famous artists' category too, but nevermind.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I would've put Chagall in the 'world famous artists' category too, but nevermind.


    did i say he wasnt :confused:

    as has been pointed out.. thats opinion... i've already said I had heard of him.. i had to look up his work but i've heard of him.

    you heard of Martin Scorsese? I could tell you every movie he's made in chronological order... could you? hmmmm but why not... you're a movie fan are you not? and yet you dont know all of Scorsese's movies.

    i'm truly perturbed ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jamie uk wrote:
    Oh perlease people.
    I think I'm right in saying, what the man means is, those crappy blocks of colour, or blokes dressing up in bear suits, or putting a dead sheep in a bath tub, or turning up someones dustbin, and saying it's arty and clever is shit, and by no means clever at all. And those that think it is are just a little teencey, weencey bit pretencious about it, in fact he's right in my opinion.


    that was exactly the point

    people picked up on the 4 word thread title and didnt actually look at the topic examples... a hole in the wall??? c'mon... anything by Pollock.. that is art... Tracey Emin's tent.. just shit
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    did i say he wasnt :confused:

    as has been pointed out.. thats opinion... i've already said I had heard of him.. i had to look up his work but i've heard of him.

    you heard of Martin Scorsese? I could tell you every movie he's made in chronological order... could you? hmmmm but why not... you're a movie fan are you not? and yet you dont know all of Scorsese's movies.

    i'm truly perturbed ;)

    Look, I didn't have any fucking idea of your massive art/design credentials, or what you already knew, when I posted some artists you might want to look at...

    So why did I do it?

    Because the title of this thread implied that you knew absolutely nothing about art. So I was trying to help a brother out... I apologise for sharing my enthusiasm for it.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    That's like saying modern music is shit, or modern film is shit, or modern literature is shit. Of course some of it is, even a lot. A lot is fantastic though. Art is not about photorealistic paintings, it's about ideas.

    Check out some Gerhard Richter.


    EDIT: Dunk, I just read the rest of your thread and understand that you aren't actually ignorant, you just picked a really shit thread title. Even so, check out Gerhard Richter if you haven't :D
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    dunkman wrote:
    anything by Pollock.. that is art...

    why?
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Haha, this thread makes me giggle. Trying to say the original statement 2 + 2 = 4 doesn't necessarily mean 2 + 2 = 4, but rather that perhaps 1 + 1 and maybe another half might = 4, and there was no intention to say the whole 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 equalled the whole of the 4, so we shouldn't take it as such? Even though the original statement was 2 + 2 = 4? :D
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    dunkman wrote:
    i just looked up his stuff

    and its good.. i quite like it :)


    Rothko stuff...

    painting of a slightly blurred sponge cake??... well. thats just shit
    Duncan, art doesn't have to be about defined images, much like music doesn't have to be 2 minute 50 pop songs. Ambient music, drone, that's still music. Melodies aren't the only characteristics of music, there's texture, rhythm, timbre. Visual art is the same. Just because you feel nothing for Rothko doesn't mean it's shit. To dismiss the many, many people who rate him very highly smacks a wee bit of arrogance, wouldn't you say?
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Just last month, I went to the Museum of Contemporary Art in Florida... Christ, I've never seen that much crap gathered under one roof before.:p Including the Rothko I saw there, in person.;)

    The paragon of shittiness that I saw there was a painting called Eskimo Curfew, by Frank Stella. Part of his Exotic Bird series. Wanna see?

    I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say the title, and series, have nothing do with what he painted. Because what he painted is just some rubbish collection of shapes that mean nothing.

    Even the Picasso stuff I saw there was pretty shit, in my opinion. But I can see the appeal of someone like Dali, who was at least amusingly subversive.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Just last month, I went to the Museum of Contemporary Art in Florida... Christ, I've never seen that much crap gathered under one roof before.:p Including the Rothko I saw there, in person.;)

    The paragon of shittiness that I saw there was a painting called Eskimo Curfew, by Frank Stella. Part of his Exotic Bird series. Wanna see?

    I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say the title, and series, have nothing do with what he painted. Because what he painted is just some rubbish collection of shapes that mean nothing.

    Even the Picasso stuff I saw there was pretty shit, in my opinion. But I can see the appeal of someone like Dali, who was at least amusingly subversive.
    Dude... Picasso? SHIT? Oh man, I'm gonna get so Odin on your ass ;)
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    its not arrogance to call out bullshit when one see it.
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Dude... Picasso? SHIT? Oh man, I'm gonna get so Odin on your ass ;)

    Oh God... be afraid. Be very afraid.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Dude... Picasso? SHIT? Oh man, I'm gonna get so Odin on your ass ;)

    The one painting I saw, yes - and I was surprised, because the stuff I've seen in my art history books of his were alright.

    Anyway, you're not allowed disagree - I'm bigger and older than you.:p
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    The one painting I saw, yes - and I was surprised, because the stuff I've seen in my art history books of his were alright.

    Anyway, you're not allowed disagree - I'm bigger and older than you.:p
    fair point mate, to be honest, I so wouldn't have said that to your face. I'm just a kid :cool:


    :p
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    fair point mate, to be honest, I so wouldn't have said that to your face. I'm just a kid :cool:


    :p

    We should make "Odin" a verb.:p

    I think what turns a lot of people off "modern art" is that, while there are some good modern artists, the broadening of the form really opened the door to a lot of chancers and pseudo-intellectuals, which makes it hard to find the actual good stuff.
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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    We should make "Odin" a verb.:p

    I think what turns a lot of people off "modern art" is that, while there are some good modern artists, the broadening of the form really opened the door to a lot of chancers and pseudo-intellectuals, which makes it hard to find the actual good stuff.

    And I don't think it helps that the groundbreaking style of Rothko was eventually trademarked by high street coffee shops and Matalan. :p
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    And I don't think it helps that the groundbreaking style of Rothko was eventually trademarked by high street coffee shops and Matalan. :p

    Agreed - the less of that style I see, the better.:D

    Weird observation - do you think being a cynic at heart makes you less likely to appreciate modern art? (Also applies to most forms of poetry, except limericks.)
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  • civ_eng_girl
    civ_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Weird observation - do you think being a cynic at heart makes you less likely to appreciate modern art? (Also applies to most forms of poetry, except limericks.)

    LMAO!! you guys are cracking me up today.

    i'm loving this thread. :)
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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Agreed - the less of that style I see, the better.:D

    Weird observation - do you think being a cynic at heart makes you less likely to appreciate modern art? (Also applies to most forms of poetry, except limericks.)

    We're all cynics, just depends what camp you fall into - Cynics often make the best critics, imo, even when they like modern art.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison

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