Lost: Season 4 (no spoilers)

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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    drtyfrnk29 wrote:
    Exactly.

    Say, I'm not sure if anyone talked about this when the episode aired, but, did anyone catch how Locke's Dad got on the island? It took me watching the third season again to catch it.

    there was an explanation other than the "magic box" he was supposedly inside? it has been months and months and months so i'm racking my brain...
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    drtyfrnk29 wrote:
    Exactly.

    Say, I'm not sure if anyone talked about this when the episode aired, but, did anyone catch how Locke's Dad got on the island? It took me watching the third season again to catch it.

    Didn't he tell Sawyer, he died? He said something happened, he blacked out and ended up there. Then he said, "It's a little hot to be heaven."
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • drtyfrnk29
    drtyfrnk29 Posts: 846
    JSBE wrote:
    there was an explanation other than the "magic box" he was supposedly inside? it has been months and months and months so i'm racking my brain...
    Ok, cool. Remember when Locke is in Ben's closet and Ben tells richard to "get him the man from Tallahassee"? Shoot to the next episode or so when Locke traps Sawyer in the Black Rock with his father and he begins to tell sawyer that he was driving down Highway whatever in Tallahassee when he gets slammed into from the rear. He says as he was getting put in the ambulance one of the EMTs winked at him before it all went black and the next thing he knows, he's sitting in that dark room when Ben opens the door and to reveal him to Locke. Locke's father was convinced the island is purgatory but in reality Ben's people slammed into the back of him, drugged him, put him in the submarine and shipped him to the island. At least that's what I gather
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    drtyfrnk29 wrote:
    Ok, cool. Remember when Locke is in Ben's closet and Ben tells richard to "get him the man from Tallahassee"? Shoot to the next episode or so when Locke traps Sawyer in the Black Rock with his father and he begins to tell sawyer that he was driving down Highway whatever in Tallahassee when he gets slammed into from the rear. He says as he was getting put in the ambulance one of the EMTs winked at him before it all went black and the next thing he knows, he's sitting in that dark room when Ben opens the door and to reveal him to Locke.

    oh yeah...it is all coming back to me and now i sort of wish i did a power viewing of season 3 on dvd. i didn't do it for season 2 when season 3 started because it was only 4-5 months between, whereas from season 3 to season 4 will be 8 months - ugh.
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    drtyfrnk29 wrote:
    Ok, cool. Remember when Locke is in Ben's closet and Ben tells richard to "get him the man from Tallahassee"? Shoot to the next episode or so when Locke traps Sawyer in the Black Rock with his father and he begins to tell sawyer that he was driving down Highway whatever in Tallahassee when he gets slammed into from the rear. He says as he was getting put in the ambulance one of the EMTs winked at him before it all went black and the next thing he knows, he's sitting in that dark room when Ben opens the door and to reveal him to Locke. Locke's father was convinced the island is purgatory but in reality Ben's people slammed into the back of him, drugged him, put him in the submarine and shipped him to the island. At least that's what I gather

    I agree with everything you wrote except that his father thought he was in hell, hence the "it's a little hot to be heaven" comment.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    drtyfrnk29 wrote:
    Ok, cool. Remember when Locke is in Ben's closet and Ben tells richard to "get him the man from Tallahassee"? Shoot to the next episode or so when Locke traps Sawyer in the Black Rock with his father and he begins to tell sawyer that he was driving down Highway whatever in Tallahassee when he gets slammed into from the rear. He says as he was getting put in the ambulance one of the EMTs winked at him before it all went black and the next thing he knows, he's sitting in that dark room when Ben opens the door and to reveal him to Locke. Locke's father was convinced the island is purgatory but in reality Ben's people slammed into the back of him, drugged him, put him in the submarine and shipped him to the island. At least that's what I gather

    yea i picked up on that because i remember him saying the ambulance worker said something like "you are going to a better place" and then he ends up on the island.. i figured that was the case.
  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    rrivers wrote:
    I agree with everything you wrote except that his father thought he was in hell, hence the "it's a little hot to be heaven" comment.

    yes he thought he was dead. he was drugged, passed out for forever and wakes up to see what he thought was his dead son. remember he pushed Locke out the window thinking he killed him and then fled. so to be there with him meant he was on the other side. its not like there is a definitive answer for what its like after we go.. he could have really believed that was it
  • drtyfrnk29
    drtyfrnk29 Posts: 846
    rrivers wrote:
    I agree with everything you wrote except that his father thought he was in hell, hence the "it's a little hot to be heaven" comment.
    Right right right. Hell, not purgatory. Sorry, I confused his sentiments with my own when the show began but I remember that line now. That was the biggest thing I noticed after watching season three over again and had to share it.

    So, when the season starts next week are you guys going to start another Season 4 thread or just keep this one?
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    text from abc's press release booklet thing...

    A LOOK OVER THE PAST THREE SEASONS WILL ATTEMPT TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHERE THE SURVIVORS OF OCEANIC FLIGHT 815 ARE AND IF RESCUE TRULY IS AT HAND, IN THE NEW SPECIAL, “LOST: PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE,” AIRING THURSDAY, JANUARY 31 ON ABC

    ABC once again invites new and avid “Lost” viewers to take another look at one of the most talked about and critically acclaimed shows. “LOST: Past, Present & Future” will explore the series in a way that will bring new viewers up to date -- but which current viewers will also find illuminating – in anticipation of the fourth season premiere episode. The special will take an in-depth look at the mysteries of both the island and its inhabitants and recap the secrets that have been revealed, as well as those that remain unanswered. “LOST: Past, Present & Future” airs THURSDAY, JANUARY 31 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

    When Oceanic Flight 815 crashed on an island in the middle of the Pacific, each survivor was given a choice to live together or die alone. Thrown together in this mysterious place, they have struggled to overcome shadows from their past in order to survive and answer the questions that plague their new lives on the island. Where are they? Is rescue on its way? What else is on this island? In “LOST: Past, Present & Future,” relive their story of survival to prepare for the shocking season four premiere that will change everything.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    SEASON PREMIERE

    FEELING THAT THEIR RESCUE IS IMMINENT, THE SURVIVORS PONDER CHARLIE’S FINAL MESSAGE THAT THE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO LIBERATE THEM AREN’T WHO THEY SEEM TO BE, ON THE SEASON PREMIERE OF “LOST”

    Awarded the 2005 Emmy and 2006 Golden Globe for Best Drama Series, “Lost” returns for its fourth season of action-packed mystery and adventure -- that will continue to bring out the very best and the very worst in the people who are lost -- THURSDAY, JANUARY 31 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

    After Oceanic Air flight 815 tore apart in mid-air and crashed on a Pacific island, its survivors were forced to find inner strength they never knew they had in order to survive. But they discovered that the island holds many secrets, including a mysterious smoke monster, polar bears, housing and hatches with electricity and hot & cold running water, a group of island residents known as “The Others” and a mysterious man named Jacob. The survivors have also found signs of those who came to the island before them, including a 19th century sailing ship called The Black Rock, the remains of an ancient statue, as well as bunkers belonging to the Dharma Initiative -- a group of scientific researchers who inhabited the island in the recent past.

    In the season premiere episode, “The Beginning of the End,” feeling that their rescue is close at hand, the survivors don't know whether to believe Charlie’s final message that the people claiming to liberate them are not who they seem to be.

    The band of friends, family, enemies and strangers must continue to work together against the cruel weather and harsh terrain if they want to stay alive. But as they have discovered during their 90-plus days on the island, danger and mystery loom behind every corner, and those they thought could be trusted may turn against them. Even heroes have secrets.
  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    drtyfrnk29 wrote:
    So, when the season starts next week are you guys going to start another Season 4 thread or just keep this one?

    i guess keep this one since it is titled "lost: season 4." i just think season 3 was so awesome that we couldn't help ourselves in starting the season 4 thread.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    JSBE wrote:
    i guess keep this one since it is titled "lost: season 4." i just think season 3 was so awesome that we couldn't help ourselves in starting the season 4 thread.

    You could always relive the past:

    http://forums.pearljam.com/archive/index.php/t-211469.html
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AllIAm wrote:
    yes he thought he was dead. he was drugged, passed out for forever and wakes up to see what he thought was his dead son. remember he pushed Locke out the window thinking he killed him and then fled. so to be there with him meant he was on the other side. its not like there is a definitive answer for what its like after we go.. he could have really believed that was it

    Yep, I agree with your theory. It just shows you how the deep the resources of Ben and the Others are.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Solat13 wrote:
    Yep, I agree with your theory. It just shows you how the deep the resources of Ben and the Others are.

    or whoever they answer to and/or is actually pulling the strings...
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    Solat13 wrote:
    You could always relive the past:

    http://forums.pearljam.com/archive/index.php/t-211469.html

    i only started the season 3 thread two months before the start of season 3. this thread was started six months before the start of season 4. (i kid).

    it is funny to go back and read posts about earlier seasons.
  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    chromiam wrote:
    or whoever they answer to and/or is actually pulling the strings...

    nah i think its ben.. the "higher" person would be Jacob.. ponce i will punch you if you do it.. and i strongly feel that Jacob is being held captive by Ben. Ben can hear him and its the only thing he's got left. so when Locke heard him say help me.. it was because he was trapped. i made a theory about this before but it all has to do with keeping spirits locked inside with gun powder in a circle (what locke picked up) .. its a voodoo idea.

    anyway i think its all ben. everyone believes in Jacob because it makes them feel great.. and Ben keeps Jacob captive so that he can remain on top
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AllIAm wrote:
    nah i think its ben.. the "higher" person would be Jacob.. ponce i will punch you if you do it.. and i strongly feel that Jacob is being held captive by Ben. Ben can hear him and its the only thing he's got left. so when Locke heard him say help me.. it was because he was trapped. i made a theory about this before but it all has to do with keeping spirits locked inside with gun powder in a circle (what locke picked up) .. its a voodoo idea.

    anyway i think its all ben. everyone believes in Jacob because it makes them feel great.. and Ben keeps Jacob captive so that he can remain on top

    I agree that it's Ben who pulls the strings on the island and I think he has more of an influence back off of the island than he lets on. It's just a shame we won't see any interaction between Ben and Richard this year because it looked like Richard was getting annoyed with Ben and might be choosing a new person to be the leader on the island (Locke) much like how he helped recruit Ben many years ago.

    I wonder how they're going to explain where Richard is when he was supposed to lead the Others to the Temple.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • eddievedder1977
    eddievedder1977 Posts: 549
    Get ready for the Season Four premiere of "Lost" with a special presentation of the Season Three two-hour finale, "Through the Looking Glass," enhanced with on-screen facts and back story about one of the most talked about dramas on television.

    Whether you already watched the amazing conclusion of "Lost" last season or this is your first time viewing it, the special enhanced "Lost" catches viewers up on the story of the Oceanic 815 survivors in a way you've never experienced before.

    Be there for the enhanced "Lost" Season Three finale, Wednesday, January 30 at 9:00 p.m., ET/PT on ABC.

    The enhanced version of "Lost" will include text on the lower third of the screen and will "let viewers in" on clues in the show, as well as give back story to catch new viewers up for Season Four.
  • drtyfrnk29
    drtyfrnk29 Posts: 846
    Ok, so they are reairing the season finale on Wednesday and then doing a recap show before the premiere? Or is it actually a two hour show on Thursday?
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,874
    AllIAm wrote:
    ponce i will punch you if you do it..
    Do what??? :D
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  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    Poncier wrote:
    Do what??? :D

    don't act coy mister.. im on to you..

    (ps had border the other day. it was amazing. i thought i might see you pop up somewhere hehe. they let me take a vat of salsa home too mmmmm)

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