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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    karma defect wrote:
    However you make it sound as if there aren't any other managers that could do the job and that Manu is somewhat depended on him.
    Wrong. You are reading way too much into what I've been saying. Never once did I say "nobody else can do the job and United is dependent on him for success."

    Just to prove you wrong, I'll share with you the 3 managers whom I would love to see succeed Sir Alex. The list used to include Martin O'neill, but since he's at Villa for the forseeable future, I'm scratching him. Same for Fabio Capello. So here goes:

    1. Marcello Lippi. His record at Juve and Italy speaks for itself. Proven winner.
    2. Bryan Robson. Not just because he's my all-time favorite player, but he had some success at Middlesborough, and I honestly feel that if he had a squad as strong as United's, and not mid-to-lower tier clubs like Boro and Bradford and West Brom, as he's had, he would do great as a manager. He did learn from Terry Venables, after all.
    3. Mark Hughes. Did great with Wales, could have done better with Blackburn, but again--another example of a former player turned coach who had a weak squad. At least he's shown that he can do the job well with a national team.
    If it were up to me I wouldn't give a new head coach as much power as they have given Ferguson.
    And give power to the chairman or owner? No thanks. Executives should stick to the boardroom and let coaches do the coaching.

    And in other news.............Corinthians have "invited" United to make a bid for Carlitos. £15M is the reported amount they're asking for. What a total steal that would be.

    Oh, and by the way, karma, thanks a lot to your Ajax captain. I mean, seriously..........it's a preseason game, and going in that high on the ankle? :mad:
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Wrong. You are reading way too much into what I've been saying. Never once did I say "nobody else can do the job and United is dependent on him for success."

    I never said that you did. I said that you make it seem like it.
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Just to prove you wrong,
    Why would that prove me wrong. I didn’t say it was true. I merely pointed out that it was the picture that was coming through in your words.
    dkst0426 wrote:
    I'll share with you the 3 managers whom I would love to see succeed Sir Alex. The list used to include Martin O'neill, but since he's at Villa for the forseeable future, I'm scratching him. Same for Fabio Capello. So here goes:

    1. Marcello Lippi. His record at Juve and Italy speaks for itself. Proven winner.
    2. Bryan Robson. Not just because he's my all-time favorite player, but he had some success at Middlesborough, and I honestly feel that if he had a squad as strong as United's, and not mid-to-lower tier clubs like Boro and Bradford and West Brom, as he's had, he would do great as a manager. He did learn from Terry Venables, after all.
    3. Mark Hughes. Did great with Wales, could have done better with Blackburn, but again--another example of a former player turned coach who had a weak squad. At least he's shown that he can do the job well with a national team.:

    They are all good choices. Personally I like Robson best. His name keeps popping up most not that it is a guarantee of any sort, but still I can see him do it.
    dkst0426 wrote:
    And give power to the chairman or owner? No thanks. Executives should stick to the boardroom and let coaches do the coaching.

    Hahahaha, no of course not, don't give it to the suits. I guess it is just my Dutch roots coming out here. The last few seasons we had the English model at PSV. Since Hiddink was the man in charge it wasn't a real problem, but now Koeman has the job I am glad that everything is back as it should be. A football director (a club man, ex international, who is head of scouting, signs the contracts, leads the people from the youth team's and watch the long term interest of the club) the chairman who is head of finances and the head coach. A coach is in most cases just a passing face so it makes no sense to give him full power and then give it to the next guy and the one after that. At least that is how most Dutch teams figure it. Tottenham work with that model now.
    dkst0426 wrote:
    And in other news.............Corinthians have "invited" United to make a bid for Carlitos. £15M is the reported amount they're asking for. What a total steal that would be.

    I don't know. I don't think I ever saw him play. what kind of play is it?
    I have also heard that Manchester made a bid on Kuijt. I don't know if it is true, but if so it would seem like trading down going from van Nistelrooij to Kuijt. I think Feyenoord is asking way to much looking from the other clubs perspective. I can understand it from theirs, Kuijt is very important.
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Oh, and by the way, karma, thanks a lot to your Ajax captain. I mean, seriously..........it's a preseason game, and going in that high on the ankle? :mad:

    I don't have an Ajax captain. :D PSV remember
    High on the ankle? I don't really know what you mean. I presume you mean the foul on Carrick. If so then yeah that was a bad foul, but I am not responsible for that nor is Ajax my club so I don't really know what to do with this remark. All I know is that they were playing to weak against Inter and the coach wanted more aggression. I guess Perez took that the wrong way. Ajax took the game more serious than just a pre season friendly. They play a qualification match for the Champions league this Wednesday so they wanted to do well. It was a dangerous foul, but these things happen in matches and it wasn't that bad. I am sorry to see him get injured like that. It was a dumb tackle anyway he couldn't get the ball like that.

    I do hope they sign some new players because they won’t make it like this. The starting eleven is alright, but a few injuries like they have now and it means trouble. Defensively they looked alright, but going forward was a real problem without Scholes and Rooney. Add to that Saha, Giggs and diving C.R. and it still seems a bit slim. Maybe that is because I am not that big on C. Ronaldo and Saha isn't quite up to the standard of a Manu striker. And for years now I have been thinking a creative midfielder would do them good. Too bad Veron didn't work out. Maybe Carrick can help Scholes direct the game.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    karma defect wrote:
    I don't know. I don't think I ever saw him play. what kind of play is it?
    I have also heard that Manchester made a bid on Kuijt. I don't know if it is true, but if so it would seem like trading down going from van Nistelrooij to Kuijt. I think Feyenoord is asking way to much looking from the other clubs perspective. I can understand it from theirs, Kuijt is very important.
    Carlitos = Carlos Tevez. Surely you know him, or at least of him? Yeah, I've seen the rumors about Kuijt/Kuyt (what is the correct spelling for that anyway?) and Torres. Personally, if we get Tevez, then we don't need any more front line help.
    I do hope they sign some new players because they won’t make it like this. The starting eleven is alright, but a few injuries like they have now and it means trouble. Defensively they looked alright, but going forward was a real problem without Scholes and Rooney. Add to that Saha, Giggs and diving C.R. and it still seems a bit slim. Maybe that is because I am not that big on C. Ronaldo and Saha isn't quite up to the standard of a Manu striker. And for years now I have been thinking a creative midfielder would do them good. Too bad Veron didn't work out. Maybe Carrick can help Scholes direct the game.
    A lot of people say that about Saha, but the truth of the matter is that everytime he has had a chance at extended first team action, he has played well and puts the ball in the net. The problem is that he seems to have a problem staying injury-free.

    Carrick was signed with that "creative midfielder" role in mind. I really hope Scholes' loss of form after his 30th birthday was just an effect of his eye problem, and he'll come back better. I really had never seen anyone's form drop as poorly as his after turning 30 as his did last year before they diagnosed the eye problem.
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Carlitos = Carlos Tevez. Surely you know him, or at least of him? Yeah, I've seen the rumors about Kuijt/Kuyt (what is the correct spelling for that anyway?) and Torres. Personally, if we get Tevez, then we don't need any more front line help.

    Oh yeah I know Tevez. I don't know if 16 million pounds is anything close to 16 million Euro's, but if it is I think it is a justifiable asking price. I take it it is somewhere round the 20 million Euro’s or is it way more than that?
    dkst0426 wrote:
    A lot of people say that about Saha, but the truth of the matter is that everytime he has had a chance at extended first team action, he has played well and puts the ball in the net. The problem is that he seems to have a problem staying injury-free..

    Maybe, but I see him more as a player for a two striker attacking line. Now he has to do it on his own in the centre. He has his qualities, but I do think he is top notch.
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Carrick was signed with that "creative midfielder" role in mind. I really hope Scholes' loss of form after his 30th birthday was just an effect of his eye problem, and he'll come back better. I really had never seen anyone's form drop as poorly as his after turning 30 as his did last year before they diagnosed the eye problem.

    I hope so he was very good for a few seasons.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Pearl Juli
    Pearl Juli Posts: 1,213
    The Argentine Apertura Tournament has officially started. WOO-HOO! :D

    Coming up at 3pm Eastern Time:
    Boca Juniors VS. Banfield


    oh yeah :cool:
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Pearl_Juli wrote:
    The Argentine Apertura Tournament has officially started. WOO-HOO! :D

    Coming up at 3pm Eastern Time:
    Boca Juniors VS. Banfield


    oh yeah :cool:

    Never even heard of it. Sorry.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Pearl Juli
    Pearl Juli Posts: 1,213
    karma defect wrote:
    Never even heard of it. Sorry.

    of what? lol....
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    karma defect wrote:
    Maybe, but I see him more as a player for a two striker attacking line. Now he has to do it on his own in the centre.
    Where do you see any indication that United is going to a 4-5-1?
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Where do you see any indication that United is going to a 4-5-1?

    That wasn't the system I meant. I imagined the system they have played last year and the year before. 4-3-3 puts him on his alone in the centre.
    Sure Rooney comes to the centre from the left, but they haven't played a two strikers system for quite some time now. It was something that Ruud was hoping for because he feels more comfortable in a 4-4-2.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Pearl_Juli wrote:
    of what? lol....


    The Argentine Apertura Tournament. What is it, a pre season tournament?
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    karma defect wrote:
    That wasn't the system I meant. I imagined the system they have played last year and the year before. 4-3-3 puts him on his alone in the centre.
    Sure Rooney comes to the centre from the left, but they haven't played a two strikers system for quite some time now. It was something that Ruud was hoping for because he feels more comfortable in a 4-4-2.
    Uhm, United played 4-5-1 a lot more than they played 4-3-3 last year.
  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    karma defect wrote:
    The Argentine Apertura Tournament. What is it, a pre season tournament?
    Unlike the Premiership, Serie A, La Liga, Eredivisie, Bundesliga, etc. which compete all season long, in Argentina (and a lot of other South American nations), the first half of the season is called the Apertura and the second half is the Clausura. Each half of the season has its own champion.
  • Pearl Juli
    Pearl Juli Posts: 1,213
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Unlike the Premiership, Serie A, La Liga, Eredivisie, Bundesliga, etc. which compete all season long, in Argentina (and a lot of other South American nations), the first half of the season is called the Apertura and the second half is the Clausura. Each half of the season has its own champion.

    Exactly.




    In other news...and most people probably don't give a rat's ass...lol ...

    Boca just won 3-0 against Banfield. yay! I'm happy :)
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Uhm, United played 4-5-1 a lot more than they played 4-3-3 last year.


    I've seen them play most of the time with C. Ronaldo-van Nistelrooij-Rooney. And the way that C. Ronaldo and Rooney played wasn't on midfield. I don't know maybe I saw different matches than you did. Maybe you could call what I saw 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1, but Rooney didn't play as a midfielder in the matches I saw. Anyway the way I saw them play at the Amsterdam tournament against Ajax didn't suggest any major changes from what they've played last year.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Pearl_Juli wrote:
    Exactly.




    In other news...and most people probably don't give a rat's ass...lol ...

    Boca just won 3-0 against Banfield. yay! I'm happy :)

    hip, hip,......:D
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Unlike the Premiership, Serie A, La Liga, Eredivisie, Bundesliga, etc. which compete all season long, in Argentina (and a lot of other South American nations), the first half of the season is called the Apertura and the second half is the Clausura. Each half of the season has its own champion.

    And they play one last match against each other? Weird that it is called a tournament though and not a league or a championship. It is not what I expect when I hear the word tournament.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Pearl Juli
    Pearl Juli Posts: 1,213
    karma defect wrote:
    And they play one last match against each other?

    Well, no. There isn't a last match between the Apertura winner and the Clausura winner. They're considered 2 different championships. If a team wins the Apertura and the Clausura, they are considered "Bicampeones" (or bichampions), like Boca Juniors is right now :D (we just started the path to the TRIchampionship today :) hehe)

    karma defect wrote:
    Weird that it is called a tournament though and not a league or a championship. It is not what I expect when I hear the word tournament.


    haha :D true...

    It's called the Torneo Apertura...but whoever wins it is said to have won "el campeonato" (the championship). So I guess it is actually a championship...they just formally call it torneo, and I'm not sure why :confused: But is IS considered a championship...does that make any sense? :p
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Pearl_Juli wrote:
    Well, no. There isn't a last match between the Apertura winner and the Clausura winner. They're considered 2 different championships. If a team wins the Apertura and the Clausura, they are considered "Bicampeones" (or bichampions), like Boca Juniors is right now :D (we just started the path to the TRIchampionship today :) hehe)

    Who gets to play in the Copa the libertadores?



    Pearl_Juli wrote:
    haha :D true...

    It's called the Torneo Apertura...but whoever wins it is said to have won "el campeonato" (the championship). So I guess it is actually a championship...they just formally call it torneo, and I'm not sure why :confused: But is IS considered a championship...does that make any sense? :p

    :D not really. hahaha, but I get the picture.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Pearl Juli
    Pearl Juli Posts: 1,213
    karma defect wrote:
    Who gets to play in the Copa the libertadores?






    :D not really. hahaha, but I get the picture.

    To tell you the truth, I do not understand who gets to play the Copa Libertadores AT ALL :confused: Logic tells me that it should be the teams that ended the championship on the top positions of the table, but Boca won everything last year and they didn't play this Libertadores...so I honestly don't have a clue, and it's something I always wondered about, so if anybody knows how the teams who get to play the Libertadores are determined, PLEASE explain it to me! :)
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Pearl_Juli wrote:
    To tell you the truth, I do not understand who gets to play the Copa Libertadores AT ALL :confused: Logic tells me that it should be the teams that ended the championship on the top positions of the table, but Boca won everything last year and they didn't play this Libertadores...so I honestly don't have a clue, and it's something I always wondered about, so if anybody knows how the teams who get to play the Libertadores are determined, PLEASE explain it to me! :)


    Hahahahaha. So it is not exactly the Champions league hey. Not that the Champions league is the actual league of champions.:D
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»

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