VBAC's, and childbirth in general, get a bad rap mostly out of fear. Modern obstetrics are based around fear, and the perception that somehow nature got it wrong, and that womens bodies are not built to birth their babies. This is utter rubbish of course. If women were not designed for childbirth, the human race would have died out a long time ago. This idea has been created that the gold standard of care is in the hospital, with an obstetrician and that those OB's know a womans body best. This had eaten away at womens faith in their own bodies and ability. Recent research for instance is showing that in the US, less than 5% of births are completely intervention free. Even those that are considered "natural" births are not without their medical interventions. It is interesting to note that around 3% of all births in the US are home births. It demonstrates to me that the most dangerous place for a healthy, normal pregnant woman is in the hospital. Don't get me wrong, modern obstetrics can be wonderful, but like anything, should not be abused.
An OB's is a specialist in difficult and complicated pregnancy and birth, NOT normal birth. The expert in normal birth (80% of women when left the hell alone) is a midwife. She has the clinical skills and experience to recognize when things are not within the range of normal and refer on to the specialist. Sadly, due to power struggles and fear, very few OB's can say the same. They are NOT recognizing a normal pregnancy and referring to the specialist in that area. They are taking on women who have no complications at all, and because they come at childbirth as a problem to be fixed, interfere with a perfectly normal and natural process and make it high tech.
To give an example of how inexperienced an OB is with normal birth. Firstly, very few OB's have even attended normal birth, in most instances where they are not the primary caregiver, they are not called unless complications develop. I was recently doing a rotation in a large tertiary hospital here. I am midway through my second year of a 3 year degree in midwifery and a woman presented in very established labour. She was hand balled to me to deliver, and just as the baby's head was on view, a second year resident OB poked her head in the door and asked if she could do the delivery. She said " I only have two and I need to get my numbers up" Since I already had 21 deliveries under my belt, I didn't have an issue and said sure, she could do it if the woman didn't object. At that point, the woman didn't really give a rats arse who caught the baby, as long as someone did. This OB fumbled about, finally caught the baby, then proceeded to put too much traction on the cord to deliver the placenta, and snapped the cord. The registrar was called and a manual removal was done right there and then to prevent a hemorrhage. What struck me about this, was that I am required by law to have 40 supervised normal births by the end of my three year degree. An OB requires 5, and this particular doctor, in her second year as a RESIDENT only had two! Which means she has so far done her 6 years of general medicine, and two years of a four year residency and has rarely seen, participated or facilitated a normal birth.
If you're interested in knowing more about this, I highly recommend a documentary called " The business of being born". It's a fascinating and pretty shocking expose` of modern obstetrics and a must see for anyone who is contemplating a normal birth at some point in their life.
midwifery.. how did i know........... complete bullshit....
i'm not talking parenting, i'm talking 'homeschooling' your children...
and i dont mean home schooling your chlidren is brainwashing, but come on, how can your 17 year old AND your 5 year old be reading the same book as an education?
i'm not talking parenting, i'm talking 'homeschooling' your children...
and i dont mean home schooling your chlidren is brainwashing, but come on, how can your 17 year old AND your 5 year old be reading the same book as an education?
freaks... Seriously, that family is like a cult... they are home-schooled, their dad is their pastor, the girls aren't allowed to wear pants, the older ones haven't left the house, and they work from home.
By themselves, any one of those things aren't bad, but when you combine them all together, that is one backwards family.
think about it, 7 or 8 times the amount of kids that the average family has, is 7 or 8 times the amount of diapers they must have used, plus 7 or 8 times the amount of waste they throw out and food they consume etc etc...
and how do the babies not just fall out by now?
and i dont mean to offend any religious people, but their over zealous religious lifestyle bugs me for some reason.
give me a break!
wow! With all the hate and venom going on in this thread, I would think that I was at the Christian Discussion Forum on the topic of gay adoption! :eek:
wow! With all the hate and venom going on in this thread, I would think that I was at the Christian Discussion Forum on the topic of gay adoption! :eek:
never said I hated them. i don't hate them. i hate no one... except maybe W
maybe the price is right should have ended something more along the lines of
help control the human population, have your crazies spayed or neutered...
maybe the price is right should have ended something more along the lines of
help control the human population, have your crazies spayed or neutered...
I gotta agree with you to some extent...
"if you can't pay for your hospital bill and medical expenses, you should not have children..."
wow! With all the hate and venom going on in this thread, I would think that I was at the Christian Discussion Forum on the topic of gay adoption! :eek:
LOL! I never said I hated them!! I just have a problem with the fact that their kids don't get much one-on-one time with their parents. I think that's sad.
This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper
LOL! I never said I hated them!! I just have a problem with the fact that their kids don't get much one-on-one time with their parents. I think that's sad.
I wasn't talking about you, sorry if it came out that way.
I wasn't talking about you, sorry if it came out that way.
Oh ok...and for the record, I actually agree with you. My cousin (who lives in Arkansas actually) has 3 kids with 3 different dads (none of whom stuck around)....and only in the past few years has had a job....hmm...wonder how she made her bills.
This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper
i remember reading abou this one family who was on wellfare and had like 8 kids with a 9th on the way...
i think its sort of child abuse if you keep having kids when you know you can't afford to feed them... call me crazy for saying that but i mean, if you don't believe in contraceptives for religious reasons then maybe you should abstain instead of having kids that you cant put proper clothes on their backs and food in their mouths
i remember reading abou this one family who was on wellfare and had like 8 kids with a 9th on the way...
i think its sort of child abuse if you keep having kids when you know you can't afford to feed them... call me crazy for saying that but i mean, if you don't believe in contraceptives for religious reasons then maybe you should abstain instead of having kids that you cant put proper clothes on their backs and food in their mouths
This I agree with wholeheartedly. The Duggar family, however does not have this problem.
This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper
i remember reading abou this one family who was on wellfare and had like 8 kids with a 9th on the way...
i think its sort of child abuse if you keep having kids when you know you can't afford to feed them... call me crazy for saying that but i mean, if you don't believe in contraceptives for religious reasons then maybe you should abstain instead of having kids that you cant put proper clothes on their backs and food in their mouths
religious reasons or not, don't have children if you can't feed them!
Why should I pay for you to have kids, when I'm saving $$ so that I can have one of my own???
I used to post on a forum for women who had babies due the same month/year that I did. One of the women on there was expecting her 4th child -- who was carefully planned -- and was currently on welfare. Her reason for choosing to have a child sooner rather than later was that she and her husband just didn't want her children to be too far apart. :mad: Personally, I found that appalling.
I don't know much about the Duggars, but I guess their situation is different. I personally wouldn't choose to have that many kids (for a LOT of reasons), but as long as they are paying their own way, I wouldn't put them down for doing it. I do wonder how they are able to have equally close and meaningfull relationships with each of their kids, though. It would be easy to get lost in the shuffle in a group that big.
yah... maybe.
though i hang out with one australiAsian who likes mullets and it didnt seem to bother me that much... hiiiii Hinny! so it must be the fluffy bangs and denim dresses...
seriousliy though, i think one of the thigns that bugs me is the consumption.... like the amount of stuff they'd use and throw away... i'm not entirely sure the world needs an excess of humans, i guess is the way i see things.
wow! With all the hate and venom going on in this thread, I would think that I was at the Christian Discussion Forum on the topic of gay adoption! :eek:
If I haven't said it before, I will say it now...I love Crazy Mary.
You are always upfront and you keep it real.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
If I haven't said it before, I will say it now...I love Crazy Mary.
You are always upfront and you keep it real.
cool. I'm flattered. I just call it how I see it and that's how I am in person, too. They say, "Mary just says the first thing that pops into her brain."
I always felt like it was more of a drawback.
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I just find them fascinating for some strange reason.
midwifery.. how did i know........... complete bullshit....
check your PM!
and i dont mean home schooling your chlidren is brainwashing, but come on, how can your 17 year old AND your 5 year old be reading the same book as an education?
homeschooling.. the blind leading the blind
wow! With all the hate and venom going on in this thread, I would think that I was at the Christian Discussion Forum on the topic of gay adoption! :eek:
never said I hated them. i don't hate them. i hate no one... except maybe W
help control the human population, have your crazies spayed or neutered...
Oh, NO!
That's not the vibe you were putting out there.... :rolleyes:
I gotta agree with you to some extent...
"if you can't pay for your hospital bill and medical expenses, you should not have children..."
Oh yes! heh heh
LOL! I never said I hated them!! I just have a problem with the fact that their kids don't get much one-on-one time with their parents. I think that's sad.
I wasn't talking about you, sorry if it came out that way.
Oh ok...and for the record, I actually agree with you. My cousin (who lives in Arkansas actually) has 3 kids with 3 different dads (none of whom stuck around)....and only in the past few years has had a job....hmm...wonder how she made her bills.
"Chirp"
i think its sort of child abuse if you keep having kids when you know you can't afford to feed them... call me crazy for saying that but i mean, if you don't believe in contraceptives for religious reasons then maybe you should abstain instead of having kids that you cant put proper clothes on their backs and food in their mouths
This I agree with wholeheartedly. The Duggar family, however does not have this problem.
religious reasons or not, don't have children if you can't feed them!
Why should I pay for you to have kids, when I'm saving $$ so that I can have one of my own???
I don't know much about the Duggars, but I guess their situation is different. I personally wouldn't choose to have that many kids (for a LOT of reasons), but as long as they are paying their own way, I wouldn't put them down for doing it. I do wonder how they are able to have equally close and meaningfull relationships with each of their kids, though. It would be easy to get lost in the shuffle in a group that big.
like i said i dont know why the duggars bug me so much but they do.
It must be the mullets.
though i hang out with one australiAsian who likes mullets and it didnt seem to bother me that much... hiiiii Hinny! so it must be the fluffy bangs and denim dresses...
seriousliy though, i think one of the thigns that bugs me is the consumption.... like the amount of stuff they'd use and throw away... i'm not entirely sure the world needs an excess of humans, i guess is the way i see things.
You are always upfront and you keep it real.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
I agree...I like her too! Especially since I learned she snagged a younger man! LOL!
cool. I'm flattered. I just call it how I see it and that's how I am in person, too. They say, "Mary just says the first thing that pops into her brain."
I always felt like it was more of a drawback.
LOL! It's funny isn't it??!
OF COURSE his name is Jim Bob.