my older brother wants to get engaged ..

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  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    dunkman wrote:
    i dont think a slightly damp vibrator would put off a crack hungry mugger though ;)


    25k for a ring.. its nuts.. plus there is the whole tipping shit to think about.. 10% on top of that is $27500... minus some tax and all that crap...

    wait.. you dont tip jewelers do you??? no fucking wonder at 25k a ring... they probably use gold leaf to wipe their arse


    tip?? no we dont do that

    but again its gonna be 15,000 out of pocket and the rest is coming from the diamond he already has

    so its only 15,000
  • edvedder913
    edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    dunkman wrote:
    thats right its a symbol... and symbols dont have to be diamond encrusted and worth more than an Indian persons house... like i said, even if i had $8 million in the bank i'd still not buy jewelery like that... its just to show off.


    some people spend thousands on sports memorabilia b/c it is something they enjoy. just b/c you like a ring that has a perfect stone and may be large does not necessarily mean you are "showing off" - you can just like the style and look of the ring.

    everyone spends their money differently - i dont think it's anyone's place to judge. that's all.
  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    his girlfriend played softball in college ,,she used to work for the yankees
    and i have personally witnessed her hit a hardball to deep right at the stadium (maybe 240-250 ft when we played a pickup game during the offseason
    point being she can handle herself plus she carries a few weapons of choice in her bag lol

    Somehow I don't believe that a crazy fucker with a gun and/or a knife intend to do anything for that rock will be deterred by her baseball credentials, especially if he or she is a Met fan....and my girl used to be a newspaper reporter and I still fear for her safety, even when she doesn't :)..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    dunkman wrote:
    thats right its a symbol... and symbols dont have to be diamond encrusted and worth more than an Indian persons house... like i said, even if i had $8 million in the bank i'd still not buy jewelery like that... its just to show off.


    its really not

    i mean lets be realistic,,most girls would be in love w/ anything
    and if they wouldnt then they dont deserve it anyway

    but deep down everybody would like to wear something different and unique
    and with today's prices it means alot of money

    like my gf says "i dont care what it is" but i personally would never put a ring with a value of less than $7,500- 10,000 on her finger
    and im broke
    u want them to have something extra special imo
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    edvedder913 wrote:
    I whole heartedly disagree with this statement in a HUGE way. we each see things differently. while i respect your opinion, not everyone thinks like that.
    jewelry has no practical use period - it doesn't dry clothes, cook dinner, etc. nor is it supposed to.

    however, an engagement ring and wedding band is a SYMBOL of love. it is representative of a loving union between 2 people that can be handed down generation to generation.

    i LOVE the fact that i have my mom's wedding band that my dad gave to her on their wedding day....a day i was not present (obviously) and my dad is no longer here. it is something i can have forever, that even remains once they are gone as a memory.

    it is unfortunate that you only see it as part of a wardrobe, but many others do not. and if people have the $$, they have an absolute right to sepnd it as they please.

    okay now that i just got all sappy i think i am going to go to the bathroom and puke :)

    I get the *idea* of it being a symbol of love and all that. But Tiffany's doesn't care about that, DeBeers doesn't care about that. They care about obnoxious mark up. And one can only buy what they provide. If you went out and designed the ring yourself, that would be really cool. If you used stones that meant something to you other than DeBeers says you have to a have a diamond for your engagement ring...that would be different. I like the idea of airlooms (I have no idea how to spell that) but most people buy new rings for themselves.

    when you just pay way too much for a ring that Tiffany's designed and DeBeers screwed over some Africans for, and you buy it based on the 4 C's, and you want it to cost a lot, and you buy it because that's just what done, it's stops being art, it stops having meaning. it stops being a "symbol of love." I just couldn't look at an overpriced commodity that some big corporation pumped out and think of it as representing my marriage. I think that would be really sad.

    and there's a feminist issue with engagement rings as well, but I won't get into that.
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    The Champ wrote:
    Somehow I don't believe that a crazy fucker with a gun and/or a knife intend to do anything for that rock will be deterred by her baseball credentials, especially if he or she is a Met fan....and my girl used to be a newspaper reporter and I still fear for her safety, even when she doesn't :)..


    that was a joke obviously ,, but u cant walk around life fearing things like that
    and of course she would give it up,,thats why u get insurance on something like that
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    I get the *idea* of it being a symbol of love and all that. But Tiffany's doesn't care about that, DeBeers doesn't care about that. They care about obnoxious mark up. And one can only buy what they provide. If you went out and designed the ring yourself, that would be really cool. If you used stones that meant something to you other than DeBeers says you have to a have a diamond for your engagement ring...that would be different. I like the idea of airlooms (I have no idea how to spell that) but most people buy new rings for themselves.

    when you just pay way too much for a ring that Tiffany's designed and DeBeers screwed over some Africans for, and you buy it based on the 4 C's, and you want it to cost a lot, and you buy it because that's just what done, it's stops being art, it stops having meaning. it stops being a "symbol of love."

    why anyone would go to those stores for rings is beyond me
    u need to have a jeweler,but thats another topic
  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    Also, that'll be a nice chunk of change for her once they divorce ;)...
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    The Champ wrote:
    Also, that'll be a nice chunk of change for her once they divorce ;)...

    if that ever happens we take the ring back,,like the first time
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    like my gf says "i dont care what it is" but i personally would never put a ring with a value of less than $7,500- 10,000 on her finger
    and im broke
    u want them to have something extra special imo


    a nice shiny key to a new house would be extra special... and $10k would go a lot towards that.

    it is all opinion but my wife would have died a death if i'd spent that on a ring.. she'd be thinking... "...its one wee ring... i could have had a leather sofa,plasma tv, bought him a new guitar, holiday in Turin, new carpets, a salon makeover and still have change for a nice ring that i'll lose down the toilet anyway..."
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    NY PJ1 wrote:
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    like my gf says "i dont care what it is" but i personally would never put a ring with a value of less than $7,500- 10,000 on her finger
    and im broke
    u want them to have something extra special imo

    you've just summed up the entire problem! why should $$$$$$="extra special"?
  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    if that ever happens we take the ring back,,like the first time

    Like the first time? And 'we.' I have visions of two big Italians 'getting' the ring back..haha....and I thought the chick only gives the ring back if the engagement is called off, not after marriage?
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • edvedder913
    edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    you've just summed up the entire problem! why should $$$$$$="extra special"?

    because some girls do like big expensive diamonds. i suppose this one does.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    edvedder913 wrote:
    because some girls do like big expensive diamonds. i suppose this one does.


    then those girls are as vacuous as Paris Hilton and them dumb fuckers.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • edvedder913
    edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    dunkman wrote:
    then those girls are as vacuous as Paris Hilton and them dumb fuckers.


    hey easy there - this is his future sister in law :)
  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    dunkman wrote:
    a nice shiny key to a new house would be extra special... and $10k would go a lot towards that.

    it is all opinion but my wife would have died a death if i'd spent that on a ring.. she'd be thinking... "...its one wee ring... i could have had a leather sofa,plasma tv, bought him a new guitar, holiday in Turin, new carpets, a salon makeover and still have change for a nice ring that i'll lose down the toilet anyway..."

    I hear you on this Dunk. Everyone is different, but personally my fiancee would cut my balls off if I had spent above our means....Like someone said earlier, it's our money....and that money would be great to put towards our wedding, honeymoon, down payment, student loans etc..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • edvedder913
    edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    The Champ wrote:
    Like the first time? And 'we.' I have visions of two big Italians 'getting' the ring back..haha....and I thought the chick only gives the ring back if the engagement is called off, not after marriage?

    LOL - funny but good vision. have you met NY PJ1?

    i believe legally it works like this:
    if he gives it as a gift - ie Christmas - she can keep it.

    If it is given on a random day - he can get it back.

    Get Right's a lawyer, he probably knows the deal - not sure he is here today...
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    The Champ wrote:
    Like the first time? And 'we.' I have visions of two big Italians 'getting' the ring back..haha....and I thought the chick only gives the ring back if the engagement is called off, not after marriage?

    he was married once b4 but that girl was a piece of trash as it turned out
    we did walk into her parents house and take the ring back
    she thought she was keeping it ..... wrong
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    you've just summed up the entire problem! why should $$$$$$="extra special"?
    first of all remember it's congrats to the dude whose getting engaged, seriously that's really cool. secondly to set a price on what is good and what isn't is kind of silly. through luck and connections i was able to get my fiancee an eternity band (diamonds all the way around) 3 diamond ring for our engagement for about $4100 (it's worth $7500 plus gold and diamonds almost always appreciate in value).

    For some of you that's too much, for others that's too little. The point of the matter is that she saw a similar ring while on a trip with her best friend from college, and fell in love with it saying "I wish that could be my wedding ring" not ever expecting it to be true. As a grad student, money is not really flowing in at a high rate, but anyway I worked a few deals out and got the ring for the aforementioned price. The punch in the pocket was worth it for the look on her face when she got something she never dreamed she could have, that I got for her, and she gets to see everyday.

    For a few of us that may seem shallow, that a physical gift could bring such happiness to a person, and perhaps that's partially true. Yet I think if you are giving a gift for the right reasons, and you have your heart and best intentions behind it why would you give someone a hard time for having a keepsake of their love even if you wouldn't do the same? On the flipside why would you put a price on what love means? Technically I was too cheap at $4100 b/c the ring was only 1/2 the price it should have been....sorry.

    I'm happy to be engaged as I am sure our PJ friend's brother will be regardless of what others think, I guess I am arguing that we should just be happy for him and move on.
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    edvedder913 wrote:
    LOL - funny but good vision. have you met NY PJ1?

    i believe legally it works like this:
    if he gives it as a gift - ie Christmas - she can keep it.

    If it is given on a random day - he can get it back.

    Get Right's a lawyer, he probably knows the deal - not sure he is here today...


    haha pretty good vision eh? lol

    legal my butt,, that ring is coming back

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