pretty interesting one sided argument... you dont really see alot of news coverage for the immigrants that dont behead people... same goes for native citizens
I can give you a 50-page stat of American-born killers before you even give me 2-pages of immigrant killers in the States.
Give me your list of the foreign serial killers right now!
By the way, what do you think of Mr. Pickton?
Hold on chum. That makes no sense. The reason you can give me a "50 page stat of American-born killers" is because American-born individuals OUTNUMBER foreign-born. No shit! That's like saying you can give me a 50 page stat of american born dentists. Big whoop.
We're concerned about rates of crime, because that shows us whether immigrants have different trends than the rest of the population. We're not looking for numbers, because that does not take into account the fact that whites are a majority in this nation.
Hispanic immigrants, specifically, cause the most crime of any immigrant group. If you were to compare the percentage of hispanic criminals compared to their general population that is convicted of serious crime, you would find that it is higher than that of whites.
Clearly you're used to this routine and you've probably had some other people fall into it.
But I only need to prove one thing.
That immigrants are more like to commit crime than native born populations. Not that immigrants commit a higher number of crimes. They commit a higher share than their numbers suggest that they should. And so that is why Li should not have been allowed in Canada.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
pretty interesting one sided argument... you dont really see alot of news coverage for the immigrants that dont behead people... same goes for native citizens
Haha. Do you call everyone's argument "one sided" if they disagree with you?
Is there such a thing as a two sided argument? If there is, I'd like to see it. Maybe an immigrant can show it to me, since they provide so many other benefits to my country.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Chicago born John Wayne Gacy.
D.C native Albert Fish.
Son of Sam, David Berkowitz, a native New Yorker.
Kip Kinkle, Oergon school killer
Columbine shooting.
Richard Ramirez...
are all these killers immigrants. Including Pickton the Canadian killer, that's a 7-2 ratio....should I continue.
Chicago born John Wayne Gacy.
D.C native Albert Fish.
Son of Sam, David Berkowitz, a native New Yorker.
Kip Kinkle, Oergon school killer
Columbine shooting.
Richard Ramirez...
are all these killers immigrants. Including Pickton the Canadian killer, that's a 7-2 ratio....should I continue.
Ohhh I see what this is. Okay I was worried I was going to get into a serious discussion, but I'm dealing with a One People's Project person aren't I? Haha, it's a good thing I nipped this discussion in the butt right now.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Hold on chum. That makes no sense. The reason you can give me a "50 page stat of American-born killers" is because American-born individuals OUTNUMBER foreign-born. No shit! That's like saying you can give me a 50 page stat of american born dentists. Big whoop.
We're concerned about rates of crime, because that shows us whether immigrants have different trends than the rest of the population. We're not looking for numbers, because that does not take into account the fact that whites are a majority in this nation.
Hispanic immigrants, specifically, cause the most crime of any immigrant group. If you were to compare the percentage of hispanic criminals compared to their general population that is convicted of serious crime, you would find that it is higher than that of whites.
Clearly you're used to this routine and you've probably had some other people fall into it.
But I only need to prove one thing.
That immigrants are more like to commit crime than native born populations. Not that immigrants commit a higher number of crimes. They commit a higher share than their numbers suggest that they should. And so that is why Li should not have been allowed in Canada.
So why are you attacking immigrants? Clearly the numbers are against them as you said it yourself. So what's the beef here?
Do you want to give me a percentage of US-born killers versus non-US born killers instead? I'm pretty sure the US-born killers will still be a larger percent despite the small population.
By the way, there are plenty of East European immigrants too, you know.
So why are you attacking immigrants? Clearly the numbers are against them as you said it yourself. So what's the beef here?
Do you want to give me a percentage of US-born killers versus non-US born killers instead? I'm pretty sure the US-born killers will still be a larger percent despite the small population.
You have no conception of ratios or statistics. Go to school, learn about statistics, and come back to this board and start talking to me about this issue. The fact that you keep pointing to "numbers" means you really don't understand this topic at all.
For example, I will find more Chinese killers in China than white killers. But if whites in China were 10 times more likely to kill people than the average Chinese person, that's a statistical prediction that is valid. The mere fact that white killers are far fewer in number is meaningless, statistically.
Plenty of people who disagree with me support their arguments with attempted statistical refutations of my points. I can see that your arguments consist of nothing but "hey look there are more white killers in a nation that is predominantly white." Well, no shit.
That's all you needed to say. Haha
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Hispanic immigrants, specifically, cause the most crime of any immigrant group. If you were to compare the percentage of hispanic criminals compared to their general population that is convicted of serious crime, you would find that it is higher than that of whites.
umm... i would say in general asian immigrants are amongst the most industrious, hard working people of EVERYONE in this country (immigrant or native born)... just look at the ratio in business and medicine... thanks for using this as a platform to share your negative views on hispanic immigrants though... a point that is totally irrelevant
umm... i would say in general asian immigrants are amongst the most industrious, hard working people of EVERYONE in this country (immigrant or native born)... just look at the ratio in business and medicine... thanks for using this as a platform to share your negative views on hispanic immigrants though... a point that is totally irrelevant
Immigrants au generale. I do not discriminate
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
You have no conception of ratios or statistics. Go to school, learn about statistics, and come back to this board and start talking to me about this issue. The fact that you keep pointing to "numbers" means you really don't understand this topic at all.
For example, I will find more Chinese killers in China than white killers. But if whites in China were 10 times more likely to kill people than the average Chinese person, that's a statistical prediction that is valid. The mere fact that white killers are far fewer in number is meaningless, statistically.
Plenty of people who disagree with me support their arguments with attempted statistical refutations of my points. I can see that your arguments consist of nothing but "hey look there are more white killers in a nation that is predominantly white." Well, no shit.
That's all you needed to say. Haha
I can say the same shit about China you fucking asshole! of course they'll be more Chinese killers there than whites because billions more Chinese in their native country than there are whites.
Have you even read the news in Asia? There are hardly ever any killing spree other there. So your pointing out there are more Chinese killers in China is very pointless. The fact is most whites in China are their for business and not living there.
There is a greater chance of getting killed here in the States by your fellow citzens than it is to get killed in China by their citizen. However, you might get placed in prison by their government if you fuck up. But the chances of a "white"/foreigner getting killed in China is slim.
id love to know at what point your family came to virginia and what word you would use to categorize that trip and settlement... americans have no right to say ANYTHING about immigrants when most of us can trace our "american roots" back about 2 or 3 generations... and i resent anyone that wants to talk shit since as an irish immigrant not that long ago my great grandfather had to work just as hard as todays hispanic immigrants
I can say the same shit about China you fucking asshole! of course they'll be more Chinese killers there than whites because billions more Chinese in their native country than there are whites.
Have you even read the news in Asia? There are hardly ever any killing spree other there. So your pointing out there are more Chinese killers in China is very pointless. The fact is most whites in China are their for business and not living there.
There is a greater chance of getting killed here in the States by your fellow citzens than it is to get killed in China by their citizen. However, you might get placed in prison by their government if you fuck up. But the chances of a "white"/foreigner getting killed in China is slim.
I can say the same shit about China you fucking asshole! of course they'll be more Chinese killers there than whites because billions more Chinese in their native country than there are whites.
Have you even read the news in Asia? There are hardly ever any killing spree other there. So your pointing out there are more Chinese killers in China is very pointless. The fact is most whites in China are their for business and not living there.
There is a greater chance of getting killed here in the States by your fellow citzens than it is to get killed in China by their citizen. However, you might get placed in prison by their government if you fuck up. But the chances of a "white"/foreigner getting killed in China is slim.
not worth getting banned longrd... hell, probably not even worth debating since both sides seem pretty set on their side... keep your head about ya
If you didn't understand my post then you clearly didn't understand you own fucking view because it was basically the same ideology just in a different setting.
id love to know at what point your family came to virginia and what word you would use to categorize that trip and settlement... americans have no right to say ANYTHING about immigrants when most of us can trace our "american roots" back about 2 or 3 generations... and i resent anyone that wants to talk shit since as an irish immigrant not that long ago my great grandfather had to work just as hard as todays hispanic immigrants
We're all immigrants, even the native americans. They immigrated here at one time too. Any attempt to base their immigration on recency would be arbitrary.
"We're all immigrants" is a vacuous statement. It proves nothing and disproves nothing.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
If you didn't understand my post then you clearly didn't understand you own fucking view because it was basically the same ideology just in a different setting.
Lemme guess: Just going into the 9th grade?
I went through that phase where I had to toss in a "fuck" or a "shit" here or there to get my point across. We all do that I'm sure.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
We're all immigrants, even the native americans. They immigrated here at one time too. Any attempt to base their immigration on recency would be arbitrary.
"We're all immigrants" is a vacuous statement. It proves nothing and disproves nothing.
to discredit my use of generalizing everyone as "immigrants" is no different than you generalizing all or a majority of immigrants as "criminals"... and on that note im done with this conversation... youll clearly have a counterpoint to every one of mine so were just running in circles here in a debate that comes down to political opinion and upbringing, not facts
to discredit my use of generalizing everyone as "immigrants" is no different than you generalizing all or a majority of immigrants as "criminals"... and on that note im done with this conversation... youll clearly have a counterpoint to every one of mine so were just running in circles here in a debate that comes down to political opinion and upbringing, not facts
Political opinions and upbringing are composed of facts.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
In the 1980s and 1990s researchers have concluded, or at least have lent support to the conclusion, that immigrants commit proportionately no more than and possibly even fewer crimes than native-born citizens.
EDIT: just want to add a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center (I know it's wikipedia but it's more reliable than CIS ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPLC
EDIT: just want to add a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center (I know it's wikipedia but it's more reliable than CIS ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPLC
Racist racist racist! haha, you don't need to respond to their points because a bunch of morons at the SPLC censored it and called it racist racist racist!!
Congrats, lemming: you are contributing to the downfall of our culture.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
In the 1980s and 1990s researchers have concluded, or at least have lent support to the conclusion, that immigrants commit proportionately no more than and possibly even fewer crimes than native-born citizens.
They seek to refute that research by pointing out that a considerable amount of crime in immigrant communities goes unreported.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Comments
lol you go ahead and ... follow the backlash? Is that an S&M reference?
Hey whatever floats yer boat, Daisy.
-Enoch Powell
What about Robert Pickton?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton
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I'm saying immigration increases crime homey.
-Enoch Powell
I can give you a 50-page stat of American-born killers before you even give me 2-pages of immigrant killers in the States.
Give me your list of the foreign serial killers right now!
By the way, what do you think of Mr. Pickton?
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
http://seanbriceart.com/
Hold on chum. That makes no sense. The reason you can give me a "50 page stat of American-born killers" is because American-born individuals OUTNUMBER foreign-born. No shit! That's like saying you can give me a 50 page stat of american born dentists. Big whoop.
We're concerned about rates of crime, because that shows us whether immigrants have different trends than the rest of the population. We're not looking for numbers, because that does not take into account the fact that whites are a majority in this nation.
Hispanic immigrants, specifically, cause the most crime of any immigrant group. If you were to compare the percentage of hispanic criminals compared to their general population that is convicted of serious crime, you would find that it is higher than that of whites.
Clearly you're used to this routine and you've probably had some other people fall into it.
But I only need to prove one thing.
That immigrants are more like to commit crime than native born populations. Not that immigrants commit a higher number of crimes. They commit a higher share than their numbers suggest that they should. And so that is why Li should not have been allowed in Canada.
-Enoch Powell
Haha. Do you call everyone's argument "one sided" if they disagree with you?
Is there such a thing as a two sided argument? If there is, I'd like to see it. Maybe an immigrant can show it to me, since they provide so many other benefits to my country.
-Enoch Powell
D.C native Albert Fish.
Son of Sam, David Berkowitz, a native New Yorker.
Kip Kinkle, Oergon school killer
Columbine shooting.
Richard Ramirez...
are all these killers immigrants. Including Pickton the Canadian killer, that's a 7-2 ratio....should I continue.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
Ohhh I see what this is. Okay I was worried I was going to get into a serious discussion, but I'm dealing with a One People's Project person aren't I? Haha, it's a good thing I nipped this discussion in the butt right now.
-Enoch Powell
So why are you attacking immigrants? Clearly the numbers are against them as you said it yourself. So what's the beef here?
Do you want to give me a percentage of US-born killers versus non-US born killers instead? I'm pretty sure the US-born killers will still be a larger percent despite the small population.
By the way, there are plenty of East European immigrants too, you know.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
You have no conception of ratios or statistics. Go to school, learn about statistics, and come back to this board and start talking to me about this issue. The fact that you keep pointing to "numbers" means you really don't understand this topic at all.
For example, I will find more Chinese killers in China than white killers. But if whites in China were 10 times more likely to kill people than the average Chinese person, that's a statistical prediction that is valid. The mere fact that white killers are far fewer in number is meaningless, statistically.
Plenty of people who disagree with me support their arguments with attempted statistical refutations of my points. I can see that your arguments consist of nothing but "hey look there are more white killers in a nation that is predominantly white." Well, no shit.
That's all you needed to say. Haha
-Enoch Powell
http://seanbriceart.com/
Immigrants au generale. I do not discriminate
-Enoch Powell
Have you even read the news in Asia? There are hardly ever any killing spree other there. So your pointing out there are more Chinese killers in China is very pointless. The fact is most whites in China are their for business and not living there.
There is a greater chance of getting killed here in the States by your fellow citzens than it is to get killed in China by their citizen. However, you might get placed in prison by their government if you fuck up. But the chances of a "white"/foreigner getting killed in China is slim.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
http://seanbriceart.com/
Haha, what are you talking about?
Were you in this video?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ
-Enoch Powell
http://seanbriceart.com/
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
We're all immigrants, even the native americans. They immigrated here at one time too. Any attempt to base their immigration on recency would be arbitrary.
"We're all immigrants" is a vacuous statement. It proves nothing and disproves nothing.
-Enoch Powell
Lemme guess: Just going into the 9th grade?
I went through that phase where I had to toss in a "fuck" or a "shit" here or there to get my point across. We all do that I'm sure.
-Enoch Powell
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
http://seanbriceart.com/
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
Political opinions and upbringing are composed of facts.
-Enoch Powell
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/crime/underestimated.html
-Enoch Powell
Recent Research
In the 1980s and 1990s researchers have concluded, or at least have lent support to the conclusion, that immigrants commit proportionately no more than and possibly even fewer crimes than native-born citizens.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=153
EDIT: just want to add a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center (I know it's wikipedia but it's more reliable than CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPLC
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
Racist racist racist! haha, you don't need to respond to their points because a bunch of morons at the SPLC censored it and called it racist racist racist!!
Congrats, lemming: you are contributing to the downfall of our culture.
-Enoch Powell
They seek to refute that research by pointing out that a considerable amount of crime in immigrant communities goes unreported.
-Enoch Powell