The Beheading Story Gets Worse

LONGRD

stickfig13 wrote:

What's with the quiet Asian psychopaths?

Very sad you think that way....

Kilgore_Trout

LongRd. wrote:

Very sad you think that way....

at no point did he lump ALL asians into a stereotype... nothing racist in his comment so settle down PC police... there has recently in the news been a few people that fit that description however and it warrents some observation... not to say there arent plenty of disturbed people that belong to other races (most historic serial killers are white)

dunkman

Medicated-Genius wrote:

The people on flight 93 had time to think about it, and no means of escape. The flight or fight response is an instantaneous chemical and neurological reflex. The vast majority of people, and animals for that matter, in the grip of this reflex, will only fight if backed into a corner. If there's a means to escape, they will, and they are not even thinking about it. There's no room or time for thought or planning. One simply reacts, triggered by powerful catecholamines that spur the body into action. Blood supply is instantly increased to the muscles, the pupils dilate, the heart and breathing rate increases, digestion stops and you are moving before you realize it. A bit like walking along a bush track and encountering a snake, you react and move out of harms way before you have a chance to even think there's a snake in your path. I feel incredibly sorry for these people, that they witnessed this. I know just reading about it, it will stay with me for a long time, these poor people are in for a lifetime of what if's, not to mention the horror of what they saw revisting them for years to come. So sad.

what about the 3 or 4 guys from Glasgow, Scotland who attacked and subdued 2 would be terorrists who had just driven a burning jeep into the airport?

they could have ran, but didnt. in fact one of them couldnt as he broke his leg trying to kick the shit out of the crazy fuckers.

and can i just add that these people who attacked the burning suicide arsonists could have fled at any point... they didnt...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6269970.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257292.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6262266.stm


now... as StuGee has said... you and i dont know how we would react... as everyone is quite different.

dunkman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Funny how people freak about this, but people are massacred in Iraq and Afghanistan all the time and everyone is for the most part very calm about it.

as brutal as Iraq and Afghanistan are i dont think many of them are getting onto buses and seeing peoples heads hacked off in front of them.... also apathy and emotional fatigue sets in when its the 16th car bomb of the week and we dont actually see any of it.... when its a nutter hacking someones head off on a bus in a quiet suburban area of canada it kinda stands out.

stu gee

dunkman wrote:

what about the 3 or 4 guys from Glasgow, Scotland who attacked and subdued 2 would be terorrists who had just driven a burning jeep into the airport?

they could have ran, but didnt. in fact one of them couldnt as he broke his leg trying to kick the shit out of the crazy fuckers.

and can i just add that these people who attacked the burning suicide arsonists could have fled at any point... they didnt...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6269970.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257292.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6262266.stm


now... as StuGee has said... you and i dont know how we would react... as everyone is quite different.

Yep definitely, when faced with extraordinary situations our minds can work very differently. The point FPC highlighted earlier in the thread about the guy lifting the car up on adrenaline backed this point up more than his in my opinion!!

Medicated-Genius

dunkman wrote:

what about the 3 or 4 guys from Glasgow, Scotland who

now... as StuGee has said... you and i dont know how we would react... as everyone is quite different.

Thats true...... yer right, none of us really know how we'd respond. I'd like to think I'd do something too, but the reality is, I would probably be outta there so fast it'd make my head spin.

facepollution

Apparently a group tried to go back and save the guy but the guy with the knife started lashing out at them:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L5lGvjXXblA

FinsburyParkCarrots

stu gee wrote:

Yep definitely, when faced with extraordinary situations our minds can work very differently. The point FPC highlighted earlier in the thread about the guy lifting the car up on adrenaline backed this point up more than his in my opinion!!

Nope. I'm willing to bet that a complete nutter is under more stress than his victim, or those around him, unless those around him are psycho wee Scots fuckers to start with, eh, Dunk?

stu gee

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Nope. I'm willing to bet that a complete nutter is under more stress than his victim, or those around him, unless those around him are psycho wee Scots fuckers to start with, eh, Dunk?

As i said before though, you wouldnt know untill faced with that situation what you are capable of.

FinsburyParkCarrots

stu gee wrote:

As i said before though, you wouldnt know untill faced with that situation what you are capable of.

I would. Give me a beautiful woman with no clothes who wants to ravish me, and I'd know what to do. Put a truck load of Jehovah's Witnesses on my doorstep and I'd know what to do. (Not answer the door.) Put me in a pub with free beer and I'd know what to do, until I didn't know what to do any more.
Stick me on a cramped bus with a huge homicidal maniac chopping some other poor sod to shreds, and I'd know what to do, or not to do. I know my hormones.

dunkman

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Nope. I'm willing to bet that a complete nutter is under more stress than his victim, or those around him, unless those around him are psycho wee Scots fuckers to start with, eh, Dunk?

i remember reading about one of the guys who attacked the Glasgow terrorists and basically he said something along the lines of 'nae fucker was gonna spoil his summer holidays!!!'


it's weird and it sorta plays up to our national stereotype... but the only person who tried to confront the failed July London bombers was a wee old man and a guy who tried to talk to the rucksack bomber.

2 idiots who were still alight and trying to open up gas canisters get the shit kicked out of them by 3 scottish holidaymakers and a luggage handler.

as with your other post finsy... i know what to do with that woman, those Jehovah's and those free pints... but i have no idea what i'd do with a knife wielding maniac... i know what i'd do if my kids were sitting in the seat in front of him, but if i was on my own i'd like to think i would have Cantona'd him in the face... but i just dont know.

equating your nanosecond reaction to a life-risking scenario to the drinking of free pints, hot sex and the opportunity to ignore some bible nutters is like comparing a light bulb to a sea lion.

FinsburyParkCarrots

dunkman wrote:

comparing a light bulb to a sea lion.

What claps suddenly if you plug into the wrong socket? :cool:

stu gee

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I would. Give me a beautiful woman with no clothes who wants to ravish me, and I'd know what to do. Put a truck load of Jehovah's Witnesses on my doorstep and I'd know what to do. (Not answer the door.) Put me in a pub with free beer and I'd know what to do, until I didn't know what to do any more.
Stick me on a cramped bus with a huge homicidal maniac chopping some other poor sod to shreds, and I'd know what to do, or not to do. I know my hormones.

That is what your mind is telling you you would do just now. Ill bet if someone told that guy in the story you were talking about to go and pick up a car in normal circumstances beforehand he'd have told them to fuck right off and question whether they were stupid or something.

FinsburyParkCarrots

I think the car picker-upper is similar to an attacker, who uses superhuman strength as a last-ditch survival mechanism. If there's an escape route available, most people would take that first. If that option isn't available, then you go for the others. I think in split second situations, the brain is very logical. If not A, then B.

stu gee

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I think the car picker-upper is similar to an attacker, who uses superhuman strength as a last-ditch survival mechanism. If there's an escape route available, most people would take that first. If that option isn't available, then you go for the others. I think in split second situations, the brain is very logical. If not A, then B.

As Dunk said, everyone is different though. The thought of running and attacking a man on fire with petrol all over the place, gas cannisters and a car on fire next to him in amongst it all wouldnt appeal to many people i'd imagine. Those people's decision to try and stop him wasnt a long drawn out procedure i wouldnt have thought, most people's natural instinct would tell you to get away from it, but you dont know how someone would react till they are faced with it, as proven by those people's reactions. I can imagine being very scared but very angry at the same time, just depends how you filter your emotions into actions, and this differs with people and situations for sure.

Think ive posted basically the same thing over and over now so im going to stop lol

LeilaMoonTurtle

exactly what weapon did this man have to behead someone?!

smarchee

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

exactly what weapon did this man have to behead someone?!

I believe it was either a machete (sorry for sp) or a long army knife

Kilgore_Trout

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

exactly what weapon did this man have to behead someone?!

big rambo-esque hunting knife... i would think it would still be a bitch getting through the spinal column without something serated, but im no doctor and i guess that would support fins argument of adrenaline powered super strength... plus we dont know what the exact time frame of all this was... not to be overly morbid or nit picky

LeilaMoonTurtle

I was debating going to the dc show because of transportation, because of my fear of this! yet my friends kept making fun of me. I told them!!!!

stickfig13

LongRd. wrote:

Very sad you think that way....

I just think it's interesting how the "Asian" guys/gals who have snapped recently are polite,quiet, hard working members of society. Without warning or signs they just snap.

For example:

Virginia Tech Shooting
Bus Beheading
The guy who killed all those hunters