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Touchofgray16Touchofgray16 Posts: 639
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
This is even more unbelievable

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/02/canada.bus.stabbing.ap/index.html
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  • HushBullHushBull Posts: 996
    Alien-robot-badger... it just gets freakier
    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"
  • edvedder913edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    sick......
  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    and how the shit is this not first degree!?
  • MattCameronKicksButtMattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    very strange... and every parents worst nightmare.
  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    very strange... and every parents worst nightmare.

    I think that is anyone's worst nightmare
  • MattCameronKicksButtMattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    Smellyman wrote:
    I think that is anyone's worst nightmare

    true. I realised it was a stupid thing to write as I was typing it.
  • mdigenakismdigenakis Posts: 1,337
    Why didn't the passengers do something? They could've easily outnumbered this psycho.
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,439
    mdigenakis wrote:
    Why didn't the passengers do something? They could've easily outnumbered this psycho.
    Thats what I was thinking. Someone watched him be stabbed 40 times- how could you just watch it and not try to do something?
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Bravery is overrated. You're on a tiny, cramped bus with a lunatic armed with a hunting knife. A psycho of over six feet has the strength of ten men. Unless you're Chuck Norris, get off the coach and make sure everybody else is out of harm's way. The victim was probably dead after the first few stabs. There's nothing to be done. Avoiding a worse bloodbath is the sensible option. I think the whole situation was handled excellently. There was one victim and the circumstances of his death/the treatment of his corpse are horrific, but that's it. There was one victim and no more. The perpetrator was barricaded in the bus and finally arrested by the authorities.


    Too many people play video games and think a gung ho attitude is commendable. If you've combat training and think you've the skills to handle the attacker, that's different. Go for it. But otherwise, you've no business risking making widows and orphans of loved ones.
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,439
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Bravery is overrated. You're on a tiny, cramped bus with a lunatic armed with a hunting knife. A psycho of over six feet has the strength of ten men. Unless you're Chuck Norris, get off the coach and make sure everybody else is out of harm's way. The victim was probably dead after the first few stabs. There's nothing to be done. Avoiding a worse bloodbath is the sensible option. I think the whole situation was handled excellently. There was one victim and the circumstances of his death/the treatment of his corpse are horrific, but that's it. There was one victim and no more. The perpetrator was barricaded in the bus and finally arrested by the authorities.


    Too many people play video games and think a gung ho attitude is commendable. If you've combat training and think you've the skills to handle the attacker, that's different. Go for it. But otherwise, you've no business risking making widows and orphans of loved ones.

    When I think of it that way I am 6'3 over 200 lbs so I would be more willing to attack than most people. I am not a trained combatant but still work out a lot and feel I could have done something. The people on this bus probably thought the guy was a giant.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    When I think of it that way I am 6'3 over 200 lbs so I would be more willing to attack than most people. I am not a trained combatant but still work out a lot and feel I could have done something. The people on this bus probably thought the guy was a giant.


    I'm 6'1" and 220 lbs, and I'd have run like the clappers.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    I would have grabbed the fire extinguisher and given the dude a face full of ABC Powder.
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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    singularity wrote:
    and how the shit is this not first degree!?


    This was my thought as well. Talk about aggravating circumstances. I am not an expert in Canadian criminal law, but this seems weird to me. Seems like murder 1 easy, unless of course the dude shows he is insane.
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  • comebackwomancomebackwoman Posts: 7,271
    mdigenakis wrote:
    Why didn't the passengers do something? They could've easily outnumbered this psycho.
    I think in this type of situation instinct takes over - fight/flight/freeze - whatever is gonna help you survive. What you want to do consciously might not be what you're able to do. This was just such a heinous murder . I think a lot of those people are gonna be overloaded with survivors guilt...in addition to the trauma of what they witnessed. This is just so sad...just unfathomable.
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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I think in this type of situation instinct takes over - fight/flight/freeze - whatever is gonna help you survive. What you want to do consciously might not be what you're able to do. This was just such a heinous murder . I think a lot of those people are gonna be overloaded with survivors guilt...in addition to the trauma of what they witnessed. This is just so sad...just unfathomable.


    Also, I think chances are that before anyone realized what was happening, the victim had already been stabbed so many times he was not to be saved. I could be wrong.
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  • comebackwomancomebackwoman Posts: 7,271
    meistereder wrote:
    Also, I think chances are that before anyone realized what was happening, the victim had already been stabbed so many times he was not to be saved. I could be wrong.
    You're probably right. Who would expect that something like this could happen? Probably by the time people even realized what was going on and the horror of it registered, he was probably dead. I really hope the victim didn't know what hit him and that the death was a quick one. I just cannot imagine the horror of having that happen to you - or having to witness it. So many victims here.
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  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    A Greek guy has decapitated his girlfriend and taken her head for a stroll:



    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080803/tts-uk-greece-decapitation-bed299d.html
  • itsevobabyitsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    elmer wrote:
    A Greek guy has decapitated his girlfriend and taken her head for a stroll:



    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080803/tts-uk-greece-decapitation-bed299d.html
    lordy, what the fuck is going on?? i blame video games & marilyn manson
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  • MattCameronKicksButtMattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    elmer wrote:
    A Greek guy has decapitated his girlfriend and taken her head for a stroll:



    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080803/tts-uk-greece-decapitation-bed299d.html

    I often wonder why certain stories make it into the headlines and others don't?
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    I often wonder why certain stories make it into the headlines and others don't?


    Geography. World news headlines in the USA and Canada usually involve issues relating to North American foreign policy. Anything else is irrelevant. Just compare and contrast VOA News with the BBC World Service and you'll see this is the way of global news reporting.
  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    meistereder wrote:
    This was my thought as well. Talk about aggravating circumstances. I am not an expert in Canadian criminal law, but this seems weird to me. Seems like murder 1 easy, unless of course the dude shows he is insane.
    The police have to be able to prove he had planned on killing for it to be first. The guy just started stabbing some guy he didn't know, which is second degree.
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    The police have to be able to prove he had planned on killing for it to be first. The guy just started stabbing some guy he didn't know, which is second degree.


    In the US, premeditation is only one of several aggravating factors that could lead to murder 1. But even that could be proven by circumstantial evidence if the guy brought a large butcher knife on the bus. Harder to prove though.

    Theoretically, you can premeditate the killing of a stranger.
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  • MattCameronKicksButtMattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Geography. World news headlines in the USA and Canada usually involve issues relating to North American foreign policy. Anything else is irrelevant. Just compare and contrast VOA News with the BBC World Service and you'll see this is the way of global news reporting.

    It's kinda the same in this country too though. Unless you dig, you don't hear that many stories unless they involve the police being attacked or violence against foreign people living in this country... What's VOA news? :o ...I don't know!

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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    meistereder wrote:
    In the US, premeditation is only one of several aggravating factors that could lead to murder 1. But even that could be proven by circumstantial evidence if the guy brought a large butcher knife on the bus. Harder to prove though.

    Theoretically, you can premeditate the killing of a stranger.
    Agreed, but I guess they just wanted to go for the easy conviction. When you think about it the guy has no defense against it and from what I remember first and second degree are both life sentences up here.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    It's kinda the same in this country too though. Unless you dig, you don't hear that many stories unless they involve the police being attacked or violence against foreign people living in this country... What's VOA news? :o ...I don't know!

    Peace. :)


    With the BBC World Service, you get a lot of regional news from different countries. VOA is the Voice of America.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/i/

    The Greek isle story is in the top headlines, and those world stories aren't deliberately anchored to Western interests. They're news stories chosen as events in themselves. There's a separate section for UK news.

    Now, see the headlines in VOA?:

    http://www.voanews.com/english/portal.cfm

    At least three headlines are relevant in some shape or form to US foreign policy:

    "At Least 20 Killed in Somalia Explosion/Car Bomb Kills 12 in Baghdad/Iran Says It Is Serious About Nuclear Negotiations, Offers Nothing New"
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    Agreed, but I guess they just wanted to go for the easy conviction. When you think about it the guy has no defense against it and from what I remember first and second degree are both life sentences up here.


    Oh, see that is what I was overlooking! Of course, the big difference is that in the US, there is the death penalty for first degree murder. OK, that makes sense.
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  • MattCameronKicksButtMattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    With the BBC World Service, you get a lot of regional news from different countries. VOA is the Voice of America.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/i/

    The Greek isle story is in the top headlines, and those world stories aren't deliberately anchored to Western interests. They're news stories chosen as events in themselves. There's a separate section for UK news.

    Now, see the headlines in VOA?:

    http://www.voanews.com/english/portal.cfm

    At least three headlines are relevant in some shape or form to US foreign policy:

    "At Least 20 Killed in Somalia Explosion/Car Bomb Kills 12 in Baghdad/Iran Says It Is Serious About Nuclear Negotiations, Offers Nothing New"

    I had a quick look last night and you're right. I guess I was thinking of stories where a policeman was attacked and it goes straight into the headlines and considered a bigger matter, which was probably a bit irrelevant to the thread.
  • HinnyHinny Posts: 1,610
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    When I think of it that way I am 6'3 over 200 lbs so I would be more willing to attack than most people. I am not a trained combatant but still work out a lot and feel I could have done something. The people on this bus probably thought the guy was a giant.
    It's a bus going across the prairies in the middle of the night. If you heard a blood curling scream in your dreams and snapped awake, you'd run, too. Even Chuck fuckin' Norris would run outta there.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,240
    I tend to be against the death penilty, but then i see stuff like this and i change my mind and there is a time and place for people not to be allowed in society.

    This guy just crossed the line.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Bravery is overrated. You're on a tiny, cramped bus with a lunatic armed with a hunting knife. A psycho of over six feet has the strength of ten men. Unless you're Chuck Norris, get off the coach and make sure everybody else is out of harm's way. The victim was probably dead after the first few stabs. There's nothing to be done. Avoiding a worse bloodbath is the sensible option. I think the whole situation was handled excellently. There was one victim and the circumstances of his death/the treatment of his corpse are horrific, but that's it. There was one victim and no more. The perpetrator was barricaded in the bus and finally arrested by the authorities.


    Too many people play video games and think a gung ho attitude is commendable. If you've combat training and think you've the skills to handle the attacker, that's different. Go for it. But otherwise, you've no business risking making widows and orphans of loved ones.

    i dunno Fins... what about them guys who got together on Flight 93... and caused the plane to crash without it hitting its intended target?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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