The Beheading Story Gets Worse

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  • tvismyfriend
    tvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    meistereder wrote:
    This was my thought as well. Talk about aggravating circumstances. I am not an expert in Canadian criminal law, but this seems weird to me. Seems like murder 1 easy, unless of course the dude shows he is insane.
    The police have to be able to prove he had planned on killing for it to be first. The guy just started stabbing some guy he didn't know, which is second degree.
  • meistereder
    meistereder Posts: 1,577
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    The police have to be able to prove he had planned on killing for it to be first. The guy just started stabbing some guy he didn't know, which is second degree.


    In the US, premeditation is only one of several aggravating factors that could lead to murder 1. But even that could be proven by circumstantial evidence if the guy brought a large butcher knife on the bus. Harder to prove though.

    Theoretically, you can premeditate the killing of a stranger.
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  • MattCameronKicksButt
    MattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Geography. World news headlines in the USA and Canada usually involve issues relating to North American foreign policy. Anything else is irrelevant. Just compare and contrast VOA News with the BBC World Service and you'll see this is the way of global news reporting.

    It's kinda the same in this country too though. Unless you dig, you don't hear that many stories unless they involve the police being attacked or violence against foreign people living in this country... What's VOA news? :o ...I don't know!

    Peace. :)
  • tvismyfriend
    tvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    meistereder wrote:
    In the US, premeditation is only one of several aggravating factors that could lead to murder 1. But even that could be proven by circumstantial evidence if the guy brought a large butcher knife on the bus. Harder to prove though.

    Theoretically, you can premeditate the killing of a stranger.
    Agreed, but I guess they just wanted to go for the easy conviction. When you think about it the guy has no defense against it and from what I remember first and second degree are both life sentences up here.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    It's kinda the same in this country too though. Unless you dig, you don't hear that many stories unless they involve the police being attacked or violence against foreign people living in this country... What's VOA news? :o ...I don't know!

    Peace. :)


    With the BBC World Service, you get a lot of regional news from different countries. VOA is the Voice of America.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/i/

    The Greek isle story is in the top headlines, and those world stories aren't deliberately anchored to Western interests. They're news stories chosen as events in themselves. There's a separate section for UK news.

    Now, see the headlines in VOA?:

    http://www.voanews.com/english/portal.cfm

    At least three headlines are relevant in some shape or form to US foreign policy:

    "At Least 20 Killed in Somalia Explosion/Car Bomb Kills 12 in Baghdad/Iran Says It Is Serious About Nuclear Negotiations, Offers Nothing New"
  • meistereder
    meistereder Posts: 1,577
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    Agreed, but I guess they just wanted to go for the easy conviction. When you think about it the guy has no defense against it and from what I remember first and second degree are both life sentences up here.


    Oh, see that is what I was overlooking! Of course, the big difference is that in the US, there is the death penalty for first degree murder. OK, that makes sense.
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  • MattCameronKicksButt
    MattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    With the BBC World Service, you get a lot of regional news from different countries. VOA is the Voice of America.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/i/

    The Greek isle story is in the top headlines, and those world stories aren't deliberately anchored to Western interests. They're news stories chosen as events in themselves. There's a separate section for UK news.

    Now, see the headlines in VOA?:

    http://www.voanews.com/english/portal.cfm

    At least three headlines are relevant in some shape or form to US foreign policy:

    "At Least 20 Killed in Somalia Explosion/Car Bomb Kills 12 in Baghdad/Iran Says It Is Serious About Nuclear Negotiations, Offers Nothing New"

    I had a quick look last night and you're right. I guess I was thinking of stories where a policeman was attacked and it goes straight into the headlines and considered a bigger matter, which was probably a bit irrelevant to the thread.
  • Hinny
    Hinny Posts: 1,610
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    When I think of it that way I am 6'3 over 200 lbs so I would be more willing to attack than most people. I am not a trained combatant but still work out a lot and feel I could have done something. The people on this bus probably thought the guy was a giant.
    It's a bus going across the prairies in the middle of the night. If you heard a blood curling scream in your dreams and snapped awake, you'd run, too. Even Chuck fuckin' Norris would run outta there.
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  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    I tend to be against the death penilty, but then i see stuff like this and i change my mind and there is a time and place for people not to be allowed in society.

    This guy just crossed the line.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Bravery is overrated. You're on a tiny, cramped bus with a lunatic armed with a hunting knife. A psycho of over six feet has the strength of ten men. Unless you're Chuck Norris, get off the coach and make sure everybody else is out of harm's way. The victim was probably dead after the first few stabs. There's nothing to be done. Avoiding a worse bloodbath is the sensible option. I think the whole situation was handled excellently. There was one victim and the circumstances of his death/the treatment of his corpse are horrific, but that's it. There was one victim and no more. The perpetrator was barricaded in the bus and finally arrested by the authorities.


    Too many people play video games and think a gung ho attitude is commendable. If you've combat training and think you've the skills to handle the attacker, that's different. Go for it. But otherwise, you've no business risking making widows and orphans of loved ones.

    i dunno Fins... what about them guys who got together on Flight 93... and caused the plane to crash without it hitting its intended target?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    That's if you believe it ever happened. ;)

    http://letsrollforums.com/barbara-olsons-call-flight-t3353.html
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    That's if you believe it ever happened. ;)

    http://letsrollforums.com/barbara-olsons-call-flight-t3353.html

    i believe it did ;)


    edit... thats flight 77.. i said flight 93!! :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • stu gee
    stu gee Posts: 1,174
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Bravery is overrated. You're on a tiny, cramped bus with a lunatic armed with a hunting knife. A psycho of over six feet has the strength of ten men. Unless you're Chuck Norris, get off the coach and make sure everybody else is out of harm's way. The victim was probably dead after the first few stabs. There's nothing to be done. Avoiding a worse bloodbath is the sensible option. I think the whole situation was handled excellently. There was one victim and the circumstances of his death/the treatment of his corpse are horrific, but that's it. There was one victim and no more. The perpetrator was barricaded in the bus and finally arrested by the authorities.


    Too many people play video games and think a gung ho attitude is commendable. If you've combat training and think you've the skills to handle the attacker, that's different. Go for it. But otherwise, you've no business risking making widows and orphans of loved ones.

    I disagree. Its difficult to say what you would do in that situation but id like to think that people would try and help if they could. Im not saying im a hardman or anything but id like to think that along with some other like minded passengers and some makeshift tools im sure they could find on the bus there might have been something they could have done. As i said, you dont know how you'd handle a situation like that untill your faced with it. Seeing someone getting stabbed isnt nice but as i said i would have hoped at least some of the passengers might have done something rather than flee.

    Again, im cant comment too confidently and im not criticising the passengers, because i wasnt there.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    http://health.howstuffworks.com/adrenaline-strength.htm/printable

    I think this explains why I wouldn't take on a hyped-up nutter.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    http://health.howstuffworks.com/adrenaline-strength.htm/printable

    I think this explains why I wouldn't take on a hyped-up nutter.

    thankfully the John Smeaton's of this world dont agree with you ;):D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCqprbH7mrg
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    dunkman wrote:
    thankfully the John Smeaton's of this world dont agree with you ;):D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCqprbH7mrg

    He was a pumped-up, mad wee Scots fucka to start with. :D
  • stu gee
    stu gee Posts: 1,174
    It works both ways thoughm, you'd be on adrenaline as well if someone was coming at you with a butchers knife or you were faced with that situation.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    He was a pumped-up, mad wee Scots fucka to start with. :D


    aye, he'd set aboot ye!! :D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    stu gee wrote:
    It works both ways thoughm, you'd be on adrenaline as well if someone was coming at you with a butchers knife or you were faced with that situation.


    My adrenaline would be coming out the back of my trousers.
  • stu gee
    stu gee Posts: 1,174
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    My adrenaline would be coming out the back of my trousers.

    You dont know that though, you might act completely differently.

    I remember seeing a guy i didnt hang around with, but kinda knew, getting a kicking from a gang of guys and i decided i would try to help him. They let him go, he ran away and they beat the shite out me, dont know what that tells you lol. If he'd been really hurt or killed and id done nothing though, i think id have felt worse.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.

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