gun question.

dunkman

sponger wrote:

So, we Americans bear a heavier price for the individual right to take arms when need be, but that price is worth paying considering what is at stake.

People in the UK should especially understand this concept as it wasn't so long ago that they lived under totalitarian rule by way of an absolute monarchy. Yet, the people are so eagerly willing to surrender their ability to defend themselves against unforeseen actions of government.

so 30,000 deaths per year is a good enough price to bear? and what is at stake? your government will not attack you. dont be so scared of old men in suits. the ordinary soldiers of america would become non-combative if ordered to fight ordinary american citizens... they would dissent.

Absolute monarchy is a monarchical form of government where the king and queen have absolute power over everything... well in that case the uk hasnt been an absolute monarchy for at least 300 years... probably much longer. But unforseen actions of my government? i'm not scared of my government.

catefrances

dunkman wrote:

so 30,000 deaths per year is a good enough price to bear? and what is at stake? your government will not attack you. dont be so scared of old men in suits. the ordinary soldiers of america would become non-combative if ordered to fight ordinary american citizens... they would dissent.

Absolute monarchy is a monarchical form of government where the king and queen have absolute power over everything... well in that case the uk hasnt been an absolute monarchy for at least 300 years... probably much longer. But unforseen actions of my government? i'm not scared of my government.

lets not forget the time the 'absolute monarch' charles I had his head lopped off. fun times fun times.

Collin

unsung wrote:

Then how do you know he isn't going to have a gun when he breaks into your house? Are you going to pat him down first? Run some background checks?

C'mon face reality. I'm guessing it wouldn't be the first house they broke into and I'm also willing to guess that they have a backup plan in case some homeowner comes out with a baseball bat or something more deadly.

If you come out armed and show that you mean business the intruder is most likely going to run off, or come at you. Either way the threat would be over if you are armed.

How do you know it's not a drunk guy who accidentily entered the wrong house? You don't, shoot now, ask questions later. You might kill your daughter's boyfriend sneeking out of the house.

Let's face reality. Indeed, it's far more likely that burglars will have guns on them in the US than here. They want to steal stuff, but people have guns and want to kill them. So they get guns as well.

Here, like I said before, simply turning on the light or making noise will scare the burglar away. It's logical. You might have called the police, you might be armed, the burglar might be seen. Way too many risks to stick around and kill you.

So here burglars are stopped by putting on lights and making noise. In the US they have to killed.

Funny, isn't it, that the burglars in the US have the same mindset as the possible victims, prepare for the worst i.e. be prepared to kill opposition. It's a cycle of violence.

dunkman

Collin wrote:

1. How do you know it's not a drunk guy who accidentily entered the wrong house? You don't, shoot now, ask questions later.

2.You might kill your daughter's boyfriend sneeking out of the house.

1. exactly.. as was the case with me... walked into someone elses house instead of my friends sisters when he was housesitting. I'd be dead because of a simple error.

2. ehhhhh, have to say i dont really have a problem with this one

Strangest Tribe

are you anti gun peeps against all guns? what is your stance on hunting type weapons or guns that aren't made specifically to be used on people?

catefrances

Strangest Tribe wrote:

are you anti gun peeps against all guns? what is your stance on hunting type weapons or guns that aren't made specifically to be used on people?

basically yeah. but you know if youve got to hunt to eat then thats ok. but hunting for sport sux. hunting humans sux. and shooting people who break into your house only to steal your plasma tv sux too.

dunkman

Strangest Tribe wrote:

are you anti gun peeps against all guns? what is your stance on hunting type weapons or guns that aren't made specifically to be used on people?

hunting guns should be strictly regulated with people being on courses, paperwork, etc etc.. i don't really advocate a total ban on guns... more a acknowledgment that there is a problem would do for me, and then hopefully some thinking into trying to alleviate that problem would be a good start.

69charger

dunkman wrote:

hunting guns should be strictly regulated with people being on courses, paperwork, etc etc.. i don't really advocate a total ban on guns... more a acknowledgment that there is a problem would do for me, and then hopefully some thinking into trying to alleviate that problem would be a good start.

The problem is not the type of gun. The failed 'assault' weapons ban proved that. The failed DC handgun ban proved that as well.

Crime is the problem. Low income folks with little education growing up in a culture that glorifies drug use and 'bling', THAT'S the problem.

Banning guns increases crime rates and leaves law abiding citizens defenseless against armed criminals.

dunkman

69charger wrote:

The problem is not the type of gun. The failed 'assault' weapons ban proved that. The failed DC handgun ban proved that as well.

Crime is the problem. Low income folks with little education growing up in a culture that glorifies drug use and 'bling', THAT'S the problem.

Banning guns increases crime rates and leaves law abiding citizens defenseless against armed criminals.

what part of 'i don't really advocate a total ban on guns' didnt you get?

Strangest Tribe

I happen to live on a farm. A little over 2000 acres.
I use my guns at least once a week. I have shotguns, several high powered rifles, and several handguns.
We have a German Shepard and a Black Lab that help protect the farmhouse and barns but we still have theft and we still have predators. At various times I have owned livestock.. cattle for beef and cattle for dairy. I have had chickens for eggs and sheep for wool.

If we don't regularly patrol for coyotes we would be over-run with them in less than a year.
Coyotes have also threatened us at night as well as killed our previous dogs. We have tried numerous fences, electric fences, and outdoor lighting.

Everything we try to do to control all predators is directly reflected in the final cost of your food.

Guns are the least expensive means of control as well as protection.

We don't live in fear as much as we use common sense.

Strangest Tribe

Are the farmers in the UK allowed guns? Are there predators there?

dunkman

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Are the farmers in the UK allowed guns? Are there predators there?

yeah i believe so... rigid checks are carried out and various licences needed.

not predators per se... foxes, dogs bothering sheep, that kind of thing really... thats why farmers have them here.

http://www.basc.org.uk/content/shootingintheuk

the link shows you that most hunting is still ok here in the UK.. its handguns that have been banned.

Strangest Tribe

dunkman wrote:

yeah i believe so... rigid checks are carried out and various licences needed.

not predators per se... foxes, dogs bothering sheep, that kind of thing really... thats why farmers have them here.

http://www.basc.org.uk/content/shootingintheuk

the link shows you that most hunting is still ok here in the UK.. its handguns that have been banned.

When I'm on the farm I always have a gun close. In the county we are allowed to carry firearms we just can't take our guns to town unless we display them which is silly in my opinion because non concelled firearms scare people as well as invites thieves to break into your vehicles. So I don't take my guns with me to town.

If you've ever farmed then you would know that farm equipement is usually not a smooth riding machine. Usually when I'm in the field working is when I have to have a gun. It's not always convenient to carry a rifle or shot gun because they are hard to secure on a tractor and have been known to discharge when driving over a particularly rough section of farmland. That's why I carry a pistol. When cleaning out the grain trucks and combines we usually find snakes that have found a home in the equipment. Therefore a handgun is much more relevant than any rifle or shotgun.

69charger

dunkman wrote:

so 30,000 deaths per year is a good enough price to bear? and what is at stake? your government will not attack you. dont be so scared of old men in suits. the ordinary soldiers of america would become non-combative if ordered to fight ordinary american citizens... they would dissent.

Absolute monarchy is a monarchical form of government where the king and queen have absolute power over everything... well in that case the uk hasnt been an absolute monarchy for at least 300 years... probably much longer. But unforseen actions of my government? i'm not scared of my government.

Thank Jeebus you live in Scotland.

I love my country and my right to own firearms! I am going to buy a gun this Friday in your honor. I'm not kidding. http://www.shootingusa.com/TV_SCHEDULE/SHOW_27-14/23.S_W_M_P_.45L.jpg I'll have it by Sunday afternoon!

Thanks for inspiring me!

69charger

dunkman wrote:

what part of 'i don't really advocate a total ban on guns' didnt you get?

So you support a semi-ban on guns? What does 'total ban' mean?

Strangest Tribe

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unsung

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-14-justifiable_N.htm

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unsung wrote:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-14-justifiable_N.htm

What's your point?

Just because you are within your rights to take someone's life doesn't mean you should do it.

Commy

think it should depend on what type of area you live in if your allowed to have guns or not


really, guns have been designed for one purpose. Someone in inner city LA has no need of a gun.

A farmer in Montana probably does.

in_hiding79

unsung wrote:

My ex-GF is a police officer. They were responding to an armed robbery at a Walgreens late one night. As they pulled up these two adult men ran out of the store and starting shooting at the police car before they could even put it in park. She returned fire and wounded one of the criminals, the other was chased down and after being told repeatedly to drop his gun he shot at the cops again. They returned fire, killing him and ending the threat.

Good, he should have listened to the cops..