some intelligent topic for you

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

Sometime around 70 A.D. when the myth of Christianity was crafted.

The worst of it for you fundamentalist types is that you have poor, hypocritcal representation. Like Ted Faggart and Kent Hovind.

you didnt just call me a fundamentalist did you? yikes.

first off, you would agree that america and the "west" is predominately christian. hell even conservative Christian.

I said Isalm hates that we listen to music, have fun, love and respect women, are free to worship whomever or whatever we want.

you say conservative Christianity hates the same things? and you ball warmer buddy 2hands agrees?

what planet are you on?

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

you didnt just call me a fundamentalist did you? yikes.

first off, you would agree that america and the "west" is predominately christian. hell even conservative Christian.

I said Isalm hates that we listen to music, have fun, love and respect women, are free to worship whomever or whatever we want.

you say conservative Christianity hates the same things? and you ball warmer buddy 2hands agrees?

what planet are you on?

The way I saw it, you must be a fundamentalist if you don't see the irony of it.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

The way I saw it, you must be a fundamentalist if you don't see the irony of it.

much like yourself, I dont care for religion, although I do have some beliefs. but no I see no irony. you seem like a smart guy sometimes. when I said is completely true about Islam and completely not true about christianity.

but even when someone claims the very existence of god, you will dub them a fundamentalist. talking to you about anything religion related is a big waste of time.

my2hands

The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition), 1992 Republican National Convention

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Feminism

Ahnimus

my2hands wrote:

The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition), 1992 Republican National Convention

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Feminism

Haha, well I'd agree with the first sentence. It's not about equal rights for women, it's about more rights, even to privledged status.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

much like yourself, I dont care for religion, although I do have some beliefs. but no I see no irony. you seem like a smart guy sometimes. when I said is completely true about Islam and completely not true about christianity.

but even when someone claims the very existence of god, you will dub them a fundamentalist. talking to you about anything religion related is a big waste of time.

a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles

The way you guys are talking about human nature, I'd say you are fundamentalists. You believe that humans have a fundamental nature, a set of principles which guides their behavior.

On another note, I was watching Mirv Griffin's Crossword and one of the clues was "A Historic Bethlehem..." something or other, and the answer was "Inn" the host stated "Mary and Jospeh could not go to the Inn". To me, that's not a historic event, that's a mythical event. Even if it's widely accepted that Jesus was a historic character, doesn't mean it's true, but also doesn't mean by proxy that the case of Joseph, Mary and the Inn was also true. Some events in the Bible are factually not true, such as Noah and the great flood. It doesn't matter that there is coroborating evidence, since the Sumerians wrote of a global flood centuries before the Christian account. It is factually wrong, so how do we determine what is and isn't historically true?

I wouldn't call someone believing in God a fundamentalist. A clone, drone, doppleganger, zombie, or sheep; maybe.

jlew24asu

my2hands wrote:

The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition), 1992 Republican National Convention

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Feminism

what is this garbage? this somehow means conservative christians hate women?

feminism has nothing to do with women's rights. damn I have worked you all day.



http://www.islamfortoday.com/ruqaiyyah09.htm

How can you respect a religion that forces women into polygamous marriages, mutilates their genitals, forbids them to drive cars and subjects them to the humiliation of "instant" divorce?

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles

The way you guys are talking about human nature, I'd say you are fundamentalists. You believe that humans have a fundamental nature, a set of principles which guides their behavior.

On another note, I was watching Mirv Griffin's Crossword and one of the clues was "A Historic Bethlehem..." something or other, and the answer was "Inn" the host stated "Mary and Jospeh could not go to the Inn". To me, that's not a historic event, that's a mythical event. Even if it's widely accepted that Jesus was a historic character, doesn't mean it's true, but also doesn't mean by proxy that the case of Joseph, Mary and the Inn was also true. Some events in the Bible are factually not true, such as Noah and the great flood. It doesn't matter that there is coroborating evidence, since the Sumerians wrote of a global flood centuries before the Christian account. It is factually wrong, so how do we determine what is and isn't historically true?

I wouldn't call someone believing in God a fundamentalist. A clone, drone, doppleganger, zombie, or sheep; maybe.

yea yea yea. and when you die nothing happens. i'm not talking religion with you. its like a blind guy watching a silent movie. neither of us will get much out of it.

Drowned Out

jlew24asu wrote:

we are only talking about waterboarding which I'm not so sure I would even consider torture. and this would only happen at the highest levels of el queda like kalid shiek mohammand. there was a plot by a group of people last year to blow up the sears tower. waterboarding wasnt used. information was gathered and the attack was prevented.
I would only see it acceptable to use something like waterboarding in extreme cases. like a plot to have 4 planes slam into some of our greatest structures or a dirty bomb plot.

It doesn't really matter what you consider it...I believe you would be in the minority of people with any understanding of the technique. Do you really understand what it is? It is, by every definition, torture:

Part 1, Article 1 and the US Reservations of the UN Convention Against
The US Reservations for the UN Convention Against Torture
Article 32 of the Fourth Geneva Convention
Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention:
Article 7(2)(e) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court
Inter-American Convention to Prevent and Punish Torture
18 United States Code Title 18, §2340(2)
http://beta.waterboarding.org/torture

Click around that site a bit and tell me if it changes your opinion on it's brutality and how (in)effective it is.....a point made is that it is actually the PERFECT torture technique, in part because it can repeatedly bring someone to the brink of death without leaving a trace of evidence or lasting damage. So condoning it's use at any level sends a pretty sadistic message to the grunts, dontcha think? Not to mention the impression it leaves on the international community.

jlew24asu wrote:

you obviously havnt been following my posts. never under no circumstances do I accept the government sending people to other countries to get tortured. speaking of, where is the outcry for countries who actually DO torture and 50 times worse then waterboarding. seems to be ok, cuz its not us.

It IS you! Waterboarding is torture. It would be fucking horrible...read the first hand accounts, and literal description of how it works on that site. I can't imagine anything being 50 times worse. Not even like, 12 times worse.
Where is the outcry? If you won't lead us, who will?* :rolleyes: The US is purposely having people tortured in other countries...why are you falling back on anti-Americanism? I never said anything to suggest that it's ok for anyone to torture anyone. I'm saying the opposite.

*answer: it doesn't matter who leads anything in protest of US actions, the current admin has done whateverthefuck they want for years, that's the legacy

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

yea I agree. I'm all for less involvement around the world. lets bring them all home, protect our borders and focus on the greatest of america. be a shining example of a place where dreams can come true.

sad thing is, we were attacked. we were attacked by an enemy with no borders. an enemy that blends into populations around the world. is that justification for going into Iraq? no absolutely not. but reason to stay and fight them? maybe so.

that's the thing, i don't think we're fighting them in iraq. we were in afghanistan and i was 100% on board with that. hell, most of the rest of the world was too. iraq... not so much. hell, most of the islamic fanatics thought saddam one step from a heathen. we should have stuck to our guns and cleaned out afghanistan and pakistan. then we could have told iran and saudi arabia they were next if they don't fall the fuck in line.

NoK

jlew24asu wrote:

I said Islam hates that we listen to music, have fun, love and respect women, are free to worship whomever or whatever we want.

jlew24asu wrote:

when I said is completely true about Islam and completely not true about christianity.

Are you serious? 1.2 billion people INCLUDING MYSELF and others on this board hate all those things you mentioned?

It's true about Islam but not about Christianity?

Also, there is a major difference between conservative Islam and fundamentalist Islam.

I am smell the shit that fills you all the way to Paris.

NoK

jlew24asu wrote:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/ruqaiyyah09.htm

How can you respect a religion that forces women into polygamous marriages, mutilates their genitals, forbids them to drive cars and subjects them to the humiliation of "instant" divorce?

You take that website for proof. Islam gave women more rights than Christianity ever did. Do not insult the religion .

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Ahnimus wrote:

Everything a human does is human.

If you mean "civil", then be advised that what is and is not "civil" is a determination of the majority or by antiquity and does not convey fact, but opinion.

i hope you know i was joking!

i agree with what you say.


ummm, only on this post though!

810wmb

NoK wrote:

You take that website for proof. Islam gave women more rights than Christianity ever did. Do not insult the religion .

don't insult Christianity either

oh yeah, i don't believe it for a second

Kann

Ahnimus wrote:

You guys seem to be confused about what is and is not human.

Or you are confused with the word : figuratively.
In any dictionnary humane means :
"marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering
showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement "
If we have to use only the litteral meaning of words we're bound to stop expressing any feeling except "i'm hungry, i'm thirsty, i want to procreate".

my2hands

jlew24asu wrote:

what is this garbage? this somehow means conservative christians hate women?

feminism has nothing to do with women's rights. damn I have worked you all day.



http://www.islamfortoday.com/ruqaiyyah09.htm

How can you respect a religion that forces women into polygamous marriages, mutilates their genitals, forbids them to drive cars and subjects them to the humiliation of "instant" divorce?

let me guess... you dont even know who Pat Robertson is? just like you didnt know who Jerry Fallwell was... or you didnt know anything about Alberto Gonzales

jlew24asu

NoK wrote:

Are you serious? 1.2 billion people INCLUDING MYSELF and others on this board hate all those things you mentioned?

no, I meant conservative Islam.

NoK wrote:

It's true about Islam but not about Christianity?

yes

NoK wrote:

Also, there is a major difference between conservative Islam and fundamentalist Islam.

I hold them about the same

NoK wrote:

I am smell the shit that fills you all the way to Paris.

smells good huh?

jlew24asu

my2hands wrote:

let me guess... you dont even know who Pat Robertson is? just like you didnt know who Jerry Fallwell was... or you didnt know anything about Alberto Gonzales

of course I know who he is. and when did I say I didnt know who jerry fallwell is?

including alberto......they are all people I could care less about and do not involve in my life at all.

jlew24asu

NoK wrote:

You take that website for proof. Islam gave women more rights than Christianity ever did. Do not insult the religion .

please dont take what I say personally. I take it you are muslim and you seem like a nice guy. I would love to debate this with you. but conservative/fundamentalist's Islam does nothing for women. they are treated as low forms of life.

explain to me why they cant drive cars?

also explain to me those burkas? (sp)

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

no, I meant conservative Islam.

yes

I hold them about the same

smells good huh?

Man you have some serious issues. Get of your high horse about islam. Your hunting out extreme aspects of it.

There are extreme cristians to.