No worries. You should visit more than Dubai the next time you are in the area. It would be worth it. Trust me.
I would love to. unfortuantly I was on the company dime and had a schedule. its a goal of mine to visit Iraq and Iran one day. I''m big into history and thats where it started.
I would love to. unfortuantly I was on the company dime and had a schedule. its a goal of mine to visit Iraq and Iran one day. I''m big into history and thats where it started.
Iraqi history has been eroded. It's a shame but most of the artifacts are being sold on the world black market to the highest bidder.
I would like to visit Iran too as I have heard it is a very nice place to visit.
You should visit Beirut if you would like an experience never to be forgotten. Also, the red sea either around Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Yemen are beautiful places to visit.
If you are in Lebanon, the trip to Syria is very short and worth it. The country is so cheap you will literally cry.
Well in any event Iraq is a mess from every angle, the current US political system has become a mess, and those that support their disaster of a plan are also messed up.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I was just going to go on record that Bush would be seen as a failure and that this period of time seems to be defining era where politics became so partisan and ugly IMO. But... I really appreciate the intelligence pro and con that your can find on this board.
makes you wanna just sit back, grab a glas of red wine, put on your favorite "boots" and do some real thinkin'
Or you are confused with the word : figuratively.
In any dictionnary humane means :
"marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering
showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement "
If we have to use only the litteral meaning of words we're bound to stop expressing any feeling except "i'm hungry, i'm thirsty, i want to procreate".
If you can come up with a fool proof measure of intelligence, you will make psychologists really happy.
Likewise, if you can come up with an uncontested moral code, you will make politicians very happy.
But the word used was "human", not "humane", and like "civil", "humane" is a matter of opinion.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I was just going to go on record that Bush would be seen as a failure and that this period of time seems to be defining era where politics became so partisan and ugly IMO. But... I really appreciate the intelligence pro and con that your can find on this board.
makes you wanna just sit back, grab a glas of red wine, put on your favorite "boots" and do some real thinkin'
Peace
Alcohol inhibits the frontal region of the brain, called the executive region, for it's role in higher intellectual thought. I would suggest that drinking before a serious decision is probably bad.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
if more inhumane techniques were used I would have more of a problem with it. (breaking bones, cutting off fingers/hands, beatings) and the fact that we have used waterboarding in the past does bother me. but I can understand why its used. honestly, I hope it never happens again.
Why do you understand why it is used?
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
because if it came down to doing something like waterboarding in order to potentially prevent hundreds of thousands of american's dying, then I understand that extreme measures need to be used to get that information.
because if it came down to doing something like waterboarding in order to potentially prevent hundreds of thousands of american's dying, then I understand that extreme measures need to be used to get that information.
It could also result in a false alarm.
People under stress will confabulate to please their captures.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
yea I agree. but sometimes it works....so sometimes in times of absolute crisis, drastic measures must be used.
Sometimes electro shock therapy will relieve a person's depression.
Sometimes a frontal labotomy will relieve depression.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
because if it came down to doing something like waterboarding in order to potentially prevent hundreds of thousands of american's dying, then I understand that extreme measures need to be used to get that information.
To protect our own, you advocate by any means necessary. Doesn't every country have the right to protect their own? It can't be reserved just for the selected few. To me this is where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice failed the American people. Terrorism is not a defeatable country, its a state of mind, so we just keep deteriorating until we are morally no better than that which we claim to be fighting. So where are we headed, what state of mind are we guiding the global community?
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
"Oil prices to jump to 200 dollars a barrel if USA invades Iran, Chavez says
Oil prices will jump to $200 a barrel if the US invades Iran, which would cut off supply, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said.
"If the US happens to invade Iran, oil will not just reach $100, but $200 per barrel," Chavez said. "Not one drop of oil will leave Iran" in an invasion.
"The same would happen here," as the people of the country will halt exports, he said.
Hugo Chavez, who met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad twice this year, said November 11 that he was going to make another visit to Iran in the next several days.
Oil prices of $80 to $100 a barrel are "fair" and Venezuela will seek to keep prices in that range, Chavez said.
"We seek stabilization at $100 a barrel for several years," Chavez said at a press conference on Wednesday in Caracas. He said prices over the past 30 years were "very low" and that $100 oil today was, after inflation, similar to the $30 oil experienced in 1973 and 1974. "
Right or wrong. That is how it's going to play out. Not mention China getting agitated.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"Oil prices to jump to 200 dollars a barrel if USA invades Iran, Chavez says
Oil prices will jump to $200 a barrel if the US invades Iran, which would cut off supply, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said.
"If the US happens to invade Iran, oil will not just reach $100, but $200 per barrel," Chavez said. "Not one drop of oil will leave Iran" in an invasion.
"The same would happen here," as the people of the country will halt exports, he said.
Hugo Chavez, who met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad twice this year, said November 11 that he was going to make another visit to Iran in the next several days.
Oil prices of $80 to $100 a barrel are "fair" and Venezuela will seek to keep prices in that range, Chavez said.
"We seek stabilization at $100 a barrel for several years," Chavez said at a press conference on Wednesday in Caracas. He said prices over the past 30 years were "very low" and that $100 oil today was, after inflation, similar to the $30 oil experienced in 1973 and 1974. "
Right or wrong. That is how it's going to play out. Not mention China getting agitated.
so you are saying oil prices will go up if we invade Iran? man you are a fucking genius.
no I'm not confused at all. using waterboarding isnt a game. if I had information regarding a potential attack on america. then bring it.
:rolleyes:
do you and cowboy george have the same speech writers??
maybe you two can ride out into the sunset and rassle a coupla terrorists together.
but seriously, you don't think that using such techniques when it serves OUR interests opens the door to other countries- maybe not as "enlightened" as ours- using those techniques and worse on our soldiers & civilians if it suits THEIR national interest?
and how exactly do you argue against the fact that torture- or >insert convenient euphemism here<- just doesn't produce reliable results? this has been said by many who are IN the military, who have actually been charged with carrying out these kinds of interrogations. it just doesn't WORK very well.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
do you and cowboy george have the same speech writers??
maybe you two can ride out into the sunset and rassle a coupla terrorists together.
but seriously, you don't think that using such techniques when it serves OUR interests opens the door to other countries- maybe not as "enlightened" as ours- using those techniques and worse on our soldiers & civilians if it suits THEIR national interest?
and how exactly do you argue against the fact that torture- or >insert convenient euphemism here<- just doesn't produce reliable results? this has been said by many who are IN the military, who have actually been charged with carrying out these kinds of interrogations. it just doesn't WORK very well.
you seem to think I want it used during every interrogation. I have said several times I hope it never gets used again.
I understand its use during very extreme times when an attack such as 9/11 or worse is imminent.
so you are saying oil prices will go up if we invade Iran? man you are a fucking genius.
Actually I do rank very close to the genius level.
Sure makes one wonder with the war in Iraq. It would be safe to say the US govt planned on it (increasing) and rubbed it's hands together. Either that, or they are incredibly fucking stupid beyond belief. Perhaps both.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Actually I do rank very close to the genius level.
Sure makes one wonder with the war in Iraq. It would be safe to say the US govt planned on it (increasing) and rubbed it's hands together. Either that, or they are incredibly fucking stupid beyond belief. Perhaps both.
you are far from genius level. but thanks for the good laugh today. sometimes you actually are funny.
I like to stick with the present day. but thanks for sharing.
I know you do. You have a complete lack of historical perspective on anything. You're a bit like a fish in that respect.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it"George Santiana
Elie Weisel - Auschwitz survivor...
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1986/wiesel-lecture.html
'Without memory, our existence would be barren and opaque, like a prison cell into which no light penetrates; like a tomb which rejects the living. Memory saved the Besht, and if anything can, it is memory that will save humanity. For me, hope without memory is like memory without hope'
'...the memory of evil will serve as a shield against evil; that the memory of death will serve as a shield against death.'
you are far from genius level. but thanks for the good laugh today. sometimes you actually are funny.
You don't know much about me then do you?
You're always good for a laugh as well it seems these days.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I know you do. You have a complete lack of historical perspective on anything. You're a bit like a fish in that respect.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it"George Santiana
Elie Weisel - Auschwitz survivor...
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1986/wiesel-lecture.html
'Without memory, our existence would be barren and opaque, like a prison cell into which no light penetrates; like a tomb which rejects the living. Memory saved the Besht, and if anything can, it is memory that will save humanity. For me, hope without memory is like memory without hope'
'...the memory of evil will serve as a shield against evil; that the memory of death will serve as a shield against death.'
for a guy who wishes all jews were dead its funny how you quote a jewish guy. trust me, I know much more about history then you. but in the context of the conversation, lets stick to the present. the past, as you quote it, is not relevant.
You're always good for a laugh as well it seems these days.
no, I know about you from your posts. and judging by them, you are far from genius. actually quite stupid. probably GED, maybe HS diploma. but you didnt go to college.
Comments
I would love to. unfortuantly I was on the company dime and had a schedule. its a goal of mine to visit Iraq and Iran one day. I''m big into history and thats where it started.
Iraqi history has been eroded. It's a shame but most of the artifacts are being sold on the world black market to the highest bidder.
I would like to visit Iran too as I have heard it is a very nice place to visit.
You should visit Beirut if you would like an experience never to be forgotten. Also, the red sea either around Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Yemen are beautiful places to visit.
If you are in Lebanon, the trip to Syria is very short and worth it. The country is so cheap you will literally cry.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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makes you wanna just sit back, grab a glas of red wine, put on your favorite "boots" and do some real thinkin'
Peace
If you can come up with a fool proof measure of intelligence, you will make psychologists really happy.
Likewise, if you can come up with an uncontested moral code, you will make politicians very happy.
But the word used was "human", not "humane", and like "civil", "humane" is a matter of opinion.
Alcohol inhibits the frontal region of the brain, called the executive region, for it's role in higher intellectual thought. I would suggest that drinking before a serious decision is probably bad.
Why do you understand why it is used?
because if it came down to doing something like waterboarding in order to potentially prevent hundreds of thousands of american's dying, then I understand that extreme measures need to be used to get that information.
It could also result in a false alarm.
People under stress will confabulate to please their captures.
yea I agree. but sometimes it works....so sometimes in times of absolute crisis, drastic measures must be used.
Sometimes electro shock therapy will relieve a person's depression.
Sometimes a frontal labotomy will relieve depression.
sometimes a punch in the face will knock some teeth out
sometimes a kick in the balls will make one throw up
To protect our own, you advocate by any means necessary. Doesn't every country have the right to protect their own? It can't be reserved just for the selected few. To me this is where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice failed the American people. Terrorism is not a defeatable country, its a state of mind, so we just keep deteriorating until we are morally no better than that which we claim to be fighting. So where are we headed, what state of mind are we guiding the global community?
Tell that to the natives of the Americas, and to those persecuted in Europe over the centuries.
I like to stick with the present day. but thanks for sharing.
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=145&a=4258
"Oil prices to jump to 200 dollars a barrel if USA invades Iran, Chavez says
Oil prices will jump to $200 a barrel if the US invades Iran, which would cut off supply, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said.
"If the US happens to invade Iran, oil will not just reach $100, but $200 per barrel," Chavez said. "Not one drop of oil will leave Iran" in an invasion.
"The same would happen here," as the people of the country will halt exports, he said.
Hugo Chavez, who met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad twice this year, said November 11 that he was going to make another visit to Iran in the next several days.
Oil prices of $80 to $100 a barrel are "fair" and Venezuela will seek to keep prices in that range, Chavez said.
"We seek stabilization at $100 a barrel for several years," Chavez said at a press conference on Wednesday in Caracas. He said prices over the past 30 years were "very low" and that $100 oil today was, after inflation, similar to the $30 oil experienced in 1973 and 1974. "
Right or wrong. That is how it's going to play out. Not mention China getting agitated.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
so you are saying oil prices will go up if we invade Iran? man you are a fucking genius.
um, 'cause you're the one saying it's not torture. if it's not, then maybe you wouldn't mind demonstrating how easy it is to endure.
maybe you DO need larger fonts. you seem easily confused.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
yes, because we all know how tedious the study of history can be. just ask the smirking chimp.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
no I'm not confused at all. using waterboarding isnt a game. if I had information regarding a potential attack on america. then bring it.
:rolleyes:
do you and cowboy george have the same speech writers??
maybe you two can ride out into the sunset and rassle a coupla terrorists together.
but seriously, you don't think that using such techniques when it serves OUR interests opens the door to other countries- maybe not as "enlightened" as ours- using those techniques and worse on our soldiers & civilians if it suits THEIR national interest?
and how exactly do you argue against the fact that torture- or >insert convenient euphemism here<- just doesn't produce reliable results? this has been said by many who are IN the military, who have actually been charged with carrying out these kinds of interrogations. it just doesn't WORK very well.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
you seem to think I want it used during every interrogation. I have said several times I hope it never gets used again.
I understand its use during very extreme times when an attack such as 9/11 or worse is imminent.
fascinating, but you didn't answer either of my questions.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I agree with your assertions. dont be so fascinated.
Actually I do rank very close to the genius level.
Sure makes one wonder with the war in Iraq. It would be safe to say the US govt planned on it (increasing) and rubbed it's hands together. Either that, or they are incredibly fucking stupid beyond belief. Perhaps both.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
you are far from genius level. but thanks for the good laugh today. sometimes you actually are funny.
I know you do. You have a complete lack of historical perspective on anything. You're a bit like a fish in that respect.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it"George Santiana
Elie Weisel - Auschwitz survivor...
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1986/wiesel-lecture.html
'Without memory, our existence would be barren and opaque, like a prison cell into which no light penetrates; like a tomb which rejects the living. Memory saved the Besht, and if anything can, it is memory that will save humanity. For me, hope without memory is like memory without hope'
'...the memory of evil will serve as a shield against evil; that the memory of death will serve as a shield against death.'
You don't know much about me then do you?
You're always good for a laugh as well it seems these days.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
for a guy who wishes all jews were dead its funny how you quote a jewish guy. trust me, I know much more about history then you. but in the context of the conversation, lets stick to the present. the past, as you quote it, is not relevant.
no, I know about you from your posts. and judging by them, you are far from genius. actually quite stupid. probably GED, maybe HS diploma. but you didnt go to college.