kudos on changing the topic mid-post from "I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women" (jlew) to christians don't use bombs without having to admit you were completely wrong in your former assertions.
how am I wrong? are you trying to say that conservative Christianity does hate fun, drinking, music, and respect for women?
Dude I don't care how low the voltage is, attaching electrical wires to some man's ball sack and send some juice through them is plain ass torture. A taser is a bit different in that you usually jab someone in the arm or leg and I would even considered prolonged usuage of a taser as torture.
Hey if that's what floats someone's boat more power to them. I prefer to have my balls fondled by my girlfriend and not have some guy attach his jumper cables to them.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Dude I don't care how low the voltage is, attaching electrical wires to some man's ball sack and send some juice through them is plain ass torture. A taser is a bit different in that you usually jab someone in the arm or leg and I would even considered prolonged usuage of a taser as torture.
voltage defintely matters. like 810 said, some might even be into it have you ever been tasered?? I have. its no picnic.
voltage defintely matters. like 810 said, some might even be into it have you ever been tasered?? I have. its no picnic.
No I have never been tasered but I'm sure it sucks. The difference between tasering, if done properly, and taping a wire to your scrote is that with wtasreing it is a non-lethal means of incapacitating a suspect. One jab and the person is down. With testicle electrocution you continue to send voltage till you get the info you want.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Hey if that's what floats someone's boat more power to them. I prefer to have my balls fondled by my girlfriend and not have some guy attach his jumper cables to them.
learn something new every day!
i thought you were a tough chick all this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how am I wrong? are you trying to say that conservative Christianity does hate fun, drinking, music, and respect for women?
that is exactly what i am saying. who do you think kicked off the temperance movement? i know several baptists who still say drinking is a sin. as i mentioned, i am friends with a christian minister who left the church out of disgust over their treatment of women. there is definitely a conservative christian element doing exactly those things. and that doesn't even get into the fundamentalists.
No I have never been tasered but I'm sure it sucks. The difference between tasering, if done properly, and taping a wire to your scrote is that with wtasreing it is a non-lethal means of incapacitating a suspect. One jab and the person is down. With testicle electrocution you continue to send voltage till you get the info you want.
I'm not condoning the US use that technique. we both agree the line has to be drawn somewhere in order to gather information in cases when potentially millions of america lives can be saved.
do you shake your fist really hard, ask with a strong voice, punch in the face, waterboard, electro shock, ice pick in the balls.....its a grey area. whats at stake is sometimes mind boggling.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
that is exactly what i am saying. who do you think kicked off the temperance movement? i know several baptists who still say drinking is a sin. as i mentioned, i am friends with a christian minister who left the church out of disgust over their treatment of women. there is definitely a conservative christian element doing exactly those things. and that doesn't even get into the fundamentalists.
Not only Christians but Jews as well. My girlfriend is Jewish and she tells me so much fucked up shit about Hasidics and how women are treated within that sect of Judaism.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm not condoning the US use that technique. we both agree the line has to be drawn somewhere in order to gather information in cases when potentially millions of america lives can be saved.
do you shake your fist really hard, ask with a strong voice, punch in the face, waterboard, electro shock, ice pick in the balls.....its a grey area. whats at stake is sometimes mind boggling.
Trust me I understand the lure of using such methods in order to save lives, but more times than not the information is unreliable. We are a country based on certain principles and it is those principles that make this country great. If we sacrifice those principles then people like Bin Laden have won.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
that is exactly what i am saying. who do you think kicked off the temperance movement? i know several baptists who still say drinking is a sin. as i mentioned, i am friends with a christian minister who left the church out of disgust over their treatment of women. there is definitely a conservative christian element doing exactly those things. and that doesn't even get into the fundamentalists.
ok well I know they are some in all religions who are just simply fucked up with reality and hate everything expect the strict interpertation of whatever it is they worship.
but in sheer numbers and influence, extreme Islam is far ahead of the game. its in the multi millions compared to thousands.
ok well I know they are some in all religions who are just simply fucked up with reality and hate everything expect the strict interpertation of whatever it is they worship.
but in sheer numbers and influence, extreme Islam is far ahead of the game. its in the multi millions compared to thousands.
fair enough. id say you're right there. but when you speak in dubya's black and white absolutes, you look like a fool. and you're not a fool, so don't play the part. it's never as simple as "all muslims hate women and fun, but no christians do." and that's the kind of rhetoric you use. and it's why you always draw the same tired foxnews and neocon talking point retorts... becos you talk the same way they do with the same exaggerated and false statements.
fair enough. id say you're right there. but when you speak in dubya's black and white absolutes, you look like a fool. and you're not a fool, so don't play the part. it's never as simple as "all muslims hate women and fun, but no christians do." and that's the kind of rhetoric you use. and it's why you always draw the same tired foxnews and neocon talking point retorts... becos you talk the same way they do with the same exaggerated and false statements.
like I said before, thats the problem with message boards. we can all easily get our points across more directly when face to face.
when I say things, I assume some things are a given....for example, people understand I am not talking about all muslims or all christians. sometimes my thought process isnt expressed in (typed) words exactly how I'd like it to be.
like I said before, thats the problem with message boards. we can all easily get our points across more directly when face to face.
when I say things, I assume some things are a given....for example, people understand I am not talking about all muslims or all christians. sometimes my thought process isnt expressed in (typed) words exactly how I'd like it to be.
i know. just saying, you might save yourself some banging your head against the wall by taking an extra second and re-reading that stuff cos it did sound like you were basically saying that the world's best muslim was still a violent misogynist compared to the world's worst christian.
i know. just saying, you might save yourself some banging your head against the wall by taking an extra second and re-reading that stuff cos it did sound like you were basically saying that the world's best muslim was still a violent misogynist compared to the world's worst christian.
fuck if only all muslims would actually follow what some say Islam is all about.....peace.
something for the folks that have no clue what they are talking about...
Waterboarding is a torture technique that simulates drowning in a controlled environment. It consists of immobilizing an individual on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face[1] to force the inhalation of water into the lungs.[2] Waterboarding has been used to obtain information, coerce confessions, punish, and intimidate. In contrast to merely submerging the head, waterboarding elicits the gag reflex,[3] and can make the subject believe death is imminent. Waterboarding's use as a method of torture or means to support interrogation is based on its ability to cause extreme mental distress while possibly creating no lasting physical damage to the subject. The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last long after the procedure.[4] Although waterboarding in cases can leave no lasting physical damage, it carries the real risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries as a result of struggling against restraints (including broken bones), and even death.
During World War II, Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, as well the Gestapo, the German secret police, used waterboarding as a method of torture. The German technique was called the German equivalent of "u-boat". During the Double Tenth Incident, waterboarding consisted of binding or holding down the victim on his back, placing a cloth over his mouth and nose, and pouring water onto the cloth. In this version, interrogation continued during the torture, with the interrogators beating the victim if he did not reply and the victim swallowing water if he opened his mouth to answer or breathe. When the victim could ingest no more water, the interrogators would beat or jump on his distended stomach. In 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor
Numerous experts have described this technique as torture.Some nations have also criminally prosecuted individuals for performing waterboarding, including the United States.
Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.
"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said.
I never insulted Christianity in my post. I am not as petty as some people on this board who insult a whole religion based on what they read from a racist website. If you disagree with my statement about Islam and Christianity with respect to women perhaps you can read the Quran and the prophets hadeeth and read the old and new testaments and come back and tell me where I was wrong.
I never insulted Christianity in my post. I am not as petty as some people on this board who insult a whole religion based on what they read from a racist website. If you disagree with my statement about Islam and Christianity with respect to women perhaps you can read the Quran and the prophets hadeeth and read the old and new testaments and come back and tell me where I was wrong.
Good luck.
nope, no one insulted a whole religion. just the extreme side of it. good luck to you too.
please dont take what I say personally. I take it you are muslim and you seem like a nice guy. I would love to debate this with you. but conservative/fundamentalist's Islam does nothing for women. they are treated as low forms of life.
explain to me why they cant drive cars?
also explain to me those burkas? (sp)
Conservative Islam and Fundamentalist Islam are two very different things. I know many conservative muslims who live a very normal life. They just adhere to the real rules of Islam strictly. Fundamentalist Islam is completely different. They have their own views on things and have a complete distortion of what the religion is about. Fundamentalist Christianity and Judiasm aren't any better. As a muslim myself I would be happy to rid the world of fundamentalists from Islam as they give muslims a bad name.
Group all the fundamentalists together on an island and rig it with cameras and that is one fucking amazing reality TV show for you.
Conservative Islam and Fundamentalist Islam are two very different things. I know many conservative muslims who live a very normal life. They just adhere to the real rules of Islam strictly. Fundamentalist Islam is completely different. They have their own views on things and have a complete distortion of what the religion is about. Fundamentalist Christianity and Judiasm aren't any better. As a muslim myself I would be happy to rid the world of fundamentalists from Islam as they give muslims a bad name.
extreme Islam controls much of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebonan, Egypt, Indonesia, among others. do I need to go over the violent techniques used for non believers?
Man don't comment about things you have no clue about. I have lived in Lebanon for 6 years. I also visit during summers. I have visited Syria, Egypt and Indonesia.
If you would like more information about these countries feel free to ask.
Man don't comment about things you have no clue about. I have lived in Lebanon for 6 years. I also visit during summers. I have visited Syria, Egypt and Indonesia.
If you would like more information about these countries feel free to ask.
but I do have a clue. lebanon maybe not so much. they have been at war with each other of it in the past. they were actually making great strides until the Israeli war. that sucked.
but the rest of the countries, high levels of extremism are there.
the only muslim country I have been to is Dubai and I saw virtually none. the place is thriving and growing more then any other place on earth.
but I do have a clue. lebanon maybe not so much. they have been at war with each other of it in the past. they were actually making great strides until the Israeli war. that sucked.
but the rest of the countries, high levels of extremism are there.
the only muslim country I have been to is Dubai and I saw virtually none. the place is thriving and growing more then any other place on earth.
With regards to Lebanon, I guess you are referring to Hizbullah when you mention extremist Islam. Well Hizbullah followers are not fundamentalists they are very conservative. The main problem people see with them is their rocket attacks on Israel. Do not confuse that with how they follow their religion. They do not abuse their women or anything of that sort. On the contrary many members lead normal lives in Lebanon.
Most of the gulf states are similar to Dubai now. Only Saudi Arabia has the perverted rules of Islam.
Also, with regards to Syria, do not confuse the way they follow their religion and politics. The baathist Syrian government is similar to that of old Iraq and they crush any conservative religious uprisings. Similarly in Egypt.
What you dont realise is most people in these countries lead normal lives. You really need to visit to see the reality of the situation.
With regards to Lebanon, I guess you are referring to Hizbullah when you mention extremist Islam. Well Hizbullah followers are not fundamentalists they are very conservative. The main problem people see with them is their rocket attacks on Israel. Do not confuse that with how they follow their religion. They do not abuse their women or anything of that sort. On the contrary many members lead normal lives in Lebanon.
Most of the gulf states are similar to Dubai now. Only Saudi Arabia has the perverted rules of Islam.
Also, with regards to Syria, do not confuse the way they follow their religion and politics. The baathist Syrian government is similar to that of old Iraq and they crush any conservative religious uprisings. Similarly in Egypt.
What you dont realise is most people in these countries lead normal lives. You really need to visit to see the reality of the situation.
I'm fully aware many in these countries live normal peaceful lives. what I am saying is that extremism thrives in many of them as well.
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how am I wrong? are you trying to say that conservative Christianity does hate fun, drinking, music, and respect for women?
for some it's nice!
Hey if that's what floats someone's boat more power to them. I prefer to have my balls fondled by my girlfriend and not have some guy attach his jumper cables to them.
voltage defintely matters. like 810 said, some might even be into it
No I have never been tasered but I'm sure it sucks. The difference between tasering, if done properly, and taping a wire to your scrote is that with wtasreing it is a non-lethal means of incapacitating a suspect. One jab and the person is down. With testicle electrocution you continue to send voltage till you get the info you want.
learn something new every day!
i thought you were a tough chick all this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The name can be misleading.
that is exactly what i am saying. who do you think kicked off the temperance movement? i know several baptists who still say drinking is a sin. as i mentioned, i am friends with a christian minister who left the church out of disgust over their treatment of women. there is definitely a conservative christian element doing exactly those things. and that doesn't even get into the fundamentalists.
I'm not condoning the US use that technique. we both agree the line has to be drawn somewhere in order to gather information in cases when potentially millions of america lives can be saved.
do you shake your fist really hard, ask with a strong voice, punch in the face, waterboard, electro shock, ice pick in the balls.....its a grey area. whats at stake is sometimes mind boggling.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/12/world/middleeast/12oil.html?hp
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Not only Christians but Jews as well. My girlfriend is Jewish and she tells me so much fucked up shit about Hasidics and how women are treated within that sect of Judaism.
Trust me I understand the lure of using such methods in order to save lives, but more times than not the information is unreliable. We are a country based on certain principles and it is those principles that make this country great. If we sacrifice those principles then people like Bin Laden have won.
ok well I know they are some in all religions who are just simply fucked up with reality and hate everything expect the strict interpertation of whatever it is they worship.
but in sheer numbers and influence, extreme Islam is far ahead of the game. its in the multi millions compared to thousands.
fair enough. id say you're right there. but when you speak in dubya's black and white absolutes, you look like a fool. and you're not a fool, so don't play the part. it's never as simple as "all muslims hate women and fun, but no christians do." and that's the kind of rhetoric you use. and it's why you always draw the same tired foxnews and neocon talking point retorts... becos you talk the same way they do with the same exaggerated and false statements.
like I said before, thats the problem with message boards. we can all easily get our points across more directly when face to face.
when I say things, I assume some things are a given....for example, people understand I am not talking about all muslims or all christians. sometimes my thought process isnt expressed in (typed) words exactly how I'd like it to be.
i know. just saying, you might save yourself some banging your head against the wall by taking an extra second and re-reading that stuff
fuck if only all muslims would actually follow what some say Islam is all about.....peace.
shit, every religion and social system and political party says they're about peace. i rather wish they all meant it.
[size=+1]i say we waterbaord jlew and then ask him if he considers it torture.[/size]
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why? do you need to gather information from me? waterboarding isnt done when people get bored or for shits and giggles.
easy on the font. we can all read and see just fine.
I never insulted Christianity in my post. I am not as petty as some people on this board who insult a whole religion based on what they read from a racist website. If you disagree with my statement about Islam and Christianity with respect to women perhaps you can read the Quran and the prophets hadeeth and read the old and new testaments and come back and tell me where I was wrong.
Good luck.
nope, no one insulted a whole religion. just the extreme side of it. good luck to you too.
Conservative Islam and Fundamentalist Islam are two very different things. I know many conservative muslims who live a very normal life. They just adhere to the real rules of Islam strictly. Fundamentalist Islam is completely different. They have their own views on things and have a complete distortion of what the religion is about. Fundamentalist Christianity and Judiasm aren't any better. As a muslim myself I would be happy to rid the world of fundamentalists from Islam as they give muslims a bad name.
Group all the fundamentalists together on an island and rig it with cameras and that is one fucking amazing reality TV show for you.
you may be on to something here. great idea!
Man don't comment about things you have no clue about. I have lived in Lebanon for 6 years. I also visit during summers. I have visited Syria, Egypt and Indonesia.
If you would like more information about these countries feel free to ask.
but I do have a clue. lebanon maybe not so much. they have been at war with each other of it in the past. they were actually making great strides until the Israeli war. that sucked.
but the rest of the countries, high levels of extremism are there.
the only muslim country I have been to is Dubai and I saw virtually none. the place is thriving and growing more then any other place on earth.
With regards to Lebanon, I guess you are referring to Hizbullah when you mention extremist Islam. Well Hizbullah followers are not fundamentalists they are very conservative. The main problem people see with them is their rocket attacks on Israel. Do not confuse that with how they follow their religion. They do not abuse their women or anything of that sort. On the contrary many members lead normal lives in Lebanon.
Most of the gulf states are similar to Dubai now. Only Saudi Arabia has the perverted rules of Islam.
Also, with regards to Syria, do not confuse the way they follow their religion and politics. The baathist Syrian government is similar to that of old Iraq and they crush any conservative religious uprisings. Similarly in Egypt.
What you dont realise is most people in these countries lead normal lives. You really need to visit to see the reality of the situation.
I'm fully aware many in these countries live normal peaceful lives. what I am saying is that extremism thrives in many of them as well.
i'm saying its not all or none thing.
No worries. You should visit more than Dubai the next time you are in the area. It would be worth it. Trust me.
Edit: Dubai is too fake compared to the rest of the middle east.
Extremism thrives everywhere and it will always thrive. This is human nature.
What I am trying to say is it is not as bad as you might think it is from what your writing reflects.