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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women

    (fuck I hate these boards sometimes, things often get misunderstood)

    and its not my pet religion. I am close to hating all religions. and my beliefs are nobody elses business. I dont force my beliefs on anyone. lets not start with the condescending bullshit today ok?

    then you are nuts. have you ever seen the film 'jesus camp'? there are plenty of christian extemists who hate those exact things. i know becos i personally know people raised in those faiths. hell, one of my friends was an ordained minister at one of those churches before leaving in disgust over exactly those things.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Waterboarding can cause brain damage from lack of oxygen. I wouldn't necessarily call that unscathed.
    everytime or rarely?
    mammasan wrote:
    Also you can send a low dosage of volts through a man's nuts where it will hurt like fucking hell and they can still walk away unscathed.
    ok, so low voltage dosage that causes no physical damage and casues some pain might fall out of the torture category. same reason why most police take tazors now. are they torturers?

    mammasan wrote:
    Sticking bambbo sticks under someone's nails doesn't leave a noticable mark but it hurts like fuck. The victim can still get up and walk away unscathed.
    thats not unscathed IMO
    mammasan wrote:
    The lack of permanent damage or physical scares should not be the sole determining factor if an interrogation method is deemed torture or not.
    I agree. but I more agree with the point that it doesnt end up giving us the information we need anyway, so it shouldnt be used.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women

    (fuck I hate these boards sometimes, things often get misunderstood)

    and its not my pet religion. I am close to hating all religions. and my beliefs are nobody elses business. I dont force my beliefs on anyone. lets not start with the condescending bullshit today ok?

    I think it's a bit much to blame the religion of Islam for the manner in which, lets say women, are treated over in the Middle East. The problem is the religious leaders and government officials who have perverted the religion in order to control the population as means to the ends they desire. Christianity did the same thing many years ago. To a less violent extent Christian leaders still do it today. If you read the Bible, Torah, and the Qu'ran you will notice a similar message through out all three books. Blame those that prevert the religion not the religion itself.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    :rolleyes:



    yes it is interesting isnt it. thats cuz we aren't taking any oil by force. but somehow most will suggest we went to war with Iraq to control oil. well we didnt. OPEC does and always will control oil no matter how many countries we invade.

    and the price of that oil will always be set on the open market, not the white house.

    Oh theres been some money passing hands.

    Any amount of tension in the middle East drives the price of oil. You know that.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ok, so low voltage dosage that causes no physical damage and casues some pain might fall out of the torture category. same reason why most police take tazors now. are they torturers?


    Dude I don't care how low the voltage is, attaching electrical wires to some man's ball sack and send some juice through them is plain ass torture. A taser is a bit different in that you usually jab someone in the arm or leg and I would even considered prolonged usuage of a taser as torture.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women

    Again you are showing a bias towards the christians.

    How about just saying something along the lines of both religions have there extremists and i agree with niether, instead of the islamic extremists are worst because the TV tell me so.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    soulsinging wrote:
    then you are nuts. have you ever seen the film 'jesus camp'? there are plenty of christian extemists who hate those exact things.
    yea I've seen it. that covers what % of Christians? 0.0003% ? I'm not denying the existence of extremists on that side. how many fucking times do I have to repeat this. you are becoming a brick wall.

    EXTREME CHRISTIANITY DOES EXIST.

    got it? do I have to spell it out for you again? do I? I will. I will say it again if you didnt see what I wrote. should I? I swear I will. I promise.

    now lets talk about how influential and violent each extreme side is. extreme Islam controls much of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebonan, Egypt, Indonesia, among others. do I need to go over the violent techniques used for non believers?

    Their are plenty of extreme wacky christians all over america. I dont see them car bombing non believers.

    soulsinging wrote:
    i know becos i personally know people raised in those faiths. hell, one of my friends was an ordained minister at one of those churches before leaving in disgust over exactly those things.

    good for you
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea I've seen it. that covers what % of Christians? 0.0003% ? I'm not denying the existence of extremists on that side. how many fucking times do I have to repeat this. you are becoming a brick wall.

    EXTREME CHRISTIANITY DOES EXIST.

    got it? do I have to spell it out for you again? do I? I will. I will say it again if you didnt see what I wrote. should I? I swear I will. I promise.

    now lets talk about how influential and violent each extreme side is. extreme Islam controls much of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebonan, Egypt, Indonesia, among others. do I need to go over the violent techniques used for non believers?

    Their are plenty of extreme wacky christians all over america. I dont see them car bombing non believers.

    good for you

    kudos on changing the topic mid-post from "I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women" (jlew) to christians don't use bombs without having to admit you were completely wrong in your former assertions.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Again you are showing a bias towards the christians.

    How about just saying something along the lines of both religions have there extremists and i agree with niether, instead of the islamic extremists are worst because the TV tell me so.

    I agree with neither. Islamic extremism is more violent and in greater size then extreme christianity.

    just look at what happens when some random dude in Europe makes a funny cartoon about allah. there were riots around the world. OVER A CARTOON
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Their are plenty of extreme wacky christians all over america. I dont see them car bombing non believers.

    Did you ever think that maybe they are not car bombing because they are non-believers but because of our government's actions in their countries.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    soulsinging wrote:
    kudos on changing the topic mid-post from "I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women" (jlew) to christians don't use bombs without having to admit you were completely wrong in your former assertions.

    how am I wrong? are you trying to say that conservative Christianity does hate fun, drinking, music, and respect for women?
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude I don't care how low the voltage is, attaching electrical wires to some man's ball sack and send some juice through them is plain ass torture. A taser is a bit different in that you usually jab someone in the arm or leg and I would even considered prolonged usuage of a taser as torture.


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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    for some it's nice!

    Hey if that's what floats someone's boat more power to them. I prefer to have my balls fondled by my girlfriend and not have some guy attach his jumper cables to them.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Dude I don't care how low the voltage is, attaching electrical wires to some man's ball sack and send some juice through them is plain ass torture. A taser is a bit different in that you usually jab someone in the arm or leg and I would even considered prolonged usuage of a taser as torture.

    voltage defintely matters. like 810 said, some might even be into it ;) have you ever been tasered?? I have. its no picnic.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    voltage defintely matters. like 810 said, some might even be into it ;) have you ever been tasered?? I have. its no picnic.

    No I have never been tasered but I'm sure it sucks. The difference between tasering, if done properly, and taping a wire to your scrote is that with wtasreing it is a non-lethal means of incapacitating a suspect. One jab and the person is down. With testicle electrocution you continue to send voltage till you get the info you want.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    Hey if that's what floats someone's boat more power to them. I prefer to have my balls fondled by my girlfriend and not have some guy attach his jumper cables to them.

    learn something new every day!

    i thought you were a tough chick all this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    learn something new every day!

    i thought you were a tough chick all this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The name can be misleading.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how am I wrong? are you trying to say that conservative Christianity does hate fun, drinking, music, and respect for women?

    that is exactly what i am saying. who do you think kicked off the temperance movement? i know several baptists who still say drinking is a sin. as i mentioned, i am friends with a christian minister who left the church out of disgust over their treatment of women. there is definitely a conservative christian element doing exactly those things. and that doesn't even get into the fundamentalists.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    No I have never been tasered but I'm sure it sucks. The difference between tasering, if done properly, and taping a wire to your scrote is that with wtasreing it is a non-lethal means of incapacitating a suspect. One jab and the person is down. With testicle electrocution you continue to send voltage till you get the info you want.

    I'm not condoning the US use that technique. we both agree the line has to be drawn somewhere in order to gather information in cases when potentially millions of america lives can be saved.

    do you shake your fist really hard, ask with a strong voice, punch in the face, waterboard, electro shock, ice pick in the balls.....its a grey area. whats at stake is sometimes mind boggling.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    This situation makes me wonder

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/12/world/middleeast/12oil.html?hp
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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