Is that here in 21st century America we are debating torture and when it is acceptable and what pain levels or chances of fatality constitute accpetable torture? think about that for a minute...
are you trying to tell me conservative Islam doesnt exist?
and where do you get your information from? my opinions, much like yours and everyone elses, are formed through education, reading, hearing, listening.
are you some sort of scholar who travels the world and writes books or something?
what the fuck are you getting at?
You are kinda making Islam out be a bunch of extremists, as citing it as justification to rule over them and correct their "ills"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
no no, I'm not justifying rule over them in any way at all. but when they attack us, then retaliation against them is justified.
you have never seen me say Islam. I have always said conservative or fundamentalist Islam. guess what...they are extremists.
They who though? just some random people who happen to be muslims or the extremists?
Because so far all i've seen is a hell of a lot of innocent people die. That is in no way justified.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
no no, I'm not justifying rule over them in any way at all. but when they attack us, then retaliation against them is justified.
you have never seen me say Islam. I have always said conservative or fundamentalist Islam. guess what...they are extremists.
There will always be extremists on both sides, this is why the US still carries out the death penalty to maintain baseline order in it's legal system. The majority of the middle east does not punish for Hadd offenses under Sharia law.
Saudi Arabia is as bad as it gets. But Bush loves the Saudi's. It makes no sense to me that he's trying to stomp out something that he himself is in bed with for cash.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
There will always be extremists on both sides, this is why the US still carries out the death penalty to maintain baseline order in it's legal system. The majority of the middle east does not punish for Hadd offenses under Sharia law.
Saudi Arabia is as bad as it gets. But Bush loves the Saudi's. It makes no sense to me that he's trying to stomp out something that he himself is in bed with for cash.
bush loves the saudi's cuz they have oil. and he isnt friends with them so he personally can get cash. bush realizes that the world needs their oil to survive, the world economy depends on it. when mideast oil dries up, watch how fast no one in the world will give a fuck about that desert.
who knows? we kidnapped people and sent them to other countries that dont have torture alws? who knows what happened there? you think the CIA wasnt with these detainees ever step of the way? you think they were not in the room?
what i was trying to show, was that other forms of torture don't leave permanent injury or have to be fatal. and the masses automaticly assume it is "clear cut" torture, when at the same time question the severity or category of waterboarding...
there has been a propaganda campaign by the government and military to obfuscate the details of water boarding. some of the discussion in this thread, the excusing of its use, the over the top comparisons of beheading and it could be worse, and the incorrect concept of what it is shows clearly that this propaganda is having an affect.
it is torture. just like electro shock. one uses water, one uses electricty. dont excuse it. dont accept it. dont let it continue. not in your name. not in our name.
these times we are in are quite dangerous and extremely important. it is up to us as the citizens of this country and planet to ensure we continue to move forward into the next generations and progress as a people and as a world community. we have not beeen doing that for the past 6 years. we have been doing exactly the opposite. restricting rights, removing rights, war, torture, aligning with oppressive regimes, openly stating we will not negotiate but threaten military action instead... pre emptive military action... without negotiation...
save this thing for our childern and our future generations. just like everyone else i know a few beautiful young children we need to provide a better future, and we are currently not doing that... and this issue of torture is one of a many that are quite concerning and urgent for us to move forward
bush loves the saudi's cuz they have oil. and he isnt friends with them so he personally can get cash. bush realizes that the world needs their oil to survive, the world economy depends on it. when mideast oil dries up, watch how fast no one in the world will give a fuck about that desert.
I'm sure hes deposited a few Saudi cheques, as has his father in his time. It's part and parcel of the project. There's perks no doubt, when you rub shoulders with that much money, some rubs off on you by default.
Interesting how oil was tons cheaper before the Iraq war. Taking by force is becoming rather expensive on every avenue. Why can't we just trade with them and buy it like were doing right now?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
nice edit on your post. dont mention my mom again, go it?
and yes waterboarding may be torture but its borderline at best. most if not all, stand up and walk away from it. and I would only agree it be used in very very extreme cases to help gather information that can save millions.
I can attach electric wires to your testicle and send some jolts through you and you would still be able to walk away. I could shove bamboo sticks under your finger nails and you would still be able to get up and walk away. I can put cigerettes out on your face and you would still be able to get up and walk away. There are many methods of interrogation that are considered depraved that would still allow the victim to get up and walk away after being administered.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm sure hes deposited a few Saudi cheques, as has his father in his time. It's part and parcel of the project. There's perks no doubt, when you rub shoulders with that much money. Some rubs off on you by default.
Interesting how oil was tons cheaper before the Iraq war. Taking by force is becoming rather expensive on every avenue. Why can't we just trade with them and buy it like were doing right now?
yes it is interesting isnt it. thats cuz we aren't taking any oil by force. but somehow most will suggest we went to war with Iraq to control oil. well we didnt. OPEC does and always will control oil no matter how many countries we invade.
and the price of that oil will always be set on the open market, not the white house.
of course there are extreme Christians. I'm not denying that. their extreme beliefs greatly differ then that of Islam. obviously.
and what you claim to be "extreme aspects" are held true for million and millions of muslims throughout the world.
islam is a much younger religion, by about 600 years. compare its current problems with those of christianity at the same point in the development of christianity and you will find they are the same. they're rapidly catching up. i know a handful of muslim women and they all drive cars and none wear a burkha.
I can attach electric wires to your testicle and send some jolts through you and you would still be able to walk away. I could shove bamboo sticks under your finger nails and you would still be able to get up and walk away. I can put cigerettes out on your face and you would still be able to get up and walk away. There are many methods of interrogation that are considered depraved that would still allow the victim to get up and walk away after being administered.
when I said get up and walk away, I was suggested unscathed
islam is a much younger religion, by about 600 years. compare its current problems with those of christianity at the same point in the development of christianity and you will find they are the same. they're rapidly catching up.
that would be nice if it true. I guess we'll seee in a few hundred years.
wow, where did I say "most" muslims? read the rest of the thread and stop poking your head in for one of my posts.
all I was saying is that there is a conservative side to Islam that hates the things we value most here in the west. that is a 100% true statement.
you also denied such a conservative side to your pet religion, christianity. that is called a double standard. and it's a false one at that. the only difference between conservative american christian faiths and the islam you love to hate is the burkha.
when I said get up and walk away, I was suggested unscathed
Waterboarding can cause brain damage from lack of oxygen. I wouldn't necessarily call that unscathed. Also you can send a low dosage of volts through a man's nuts where it will hurt like fucking hell and they can still walk away unscathed. Sticking bambbo sticks under someone's nails doesn't leave a noticable mark but it hurts like fuck. The victim can still get up and walk away unscathed. The lack of permanent damage or physical scares should not be the sole determining factor if an interrogation method is deemed torture or not.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
no no, I'm not justifying rule over them in any way at all. but when they attack us, then retaliation against them is justified.
So when we've been sponsoring the terrorism and oppression of the Palestinian people for 40 years, and have been engaged in economic terrorism against much of the middle East for just as long, if not longer...and...and...after the U.S obliterated Iraq in 1991 and wiped out approx 200,000 Iraqis, and then turned it's back on the Shiites in the south, when they attempted to overthrow Sadaam, and then in fact instructed Sadaam to 'restore order' in Iraq - thereby giving the Baathists tacit approval to wipe out the insurgency - still in 1991..and...and...e.t.c, e.t.c...
..when the U.S is attacked by a handful of Saudi extremists....then is 'retaliation against them...justified'? Ermm, yeah...sure! :rolleyes:
you also denied such a conservative side to your pet religion, christianity. that is called a double standard. and it's a false one at that. the only difference between conservative american christian faiths and the islam you love to hate is the burkha.
sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women
(fuck I hate these boards sometimes, things often get misunderstood)
and its not my pet religion. I am close to hating all religions. and my beliefs are nobody elses business. I dont force my beliefs on anyone. lets not start with the condescending bullshit today ok?
that would be nice if it true. I guess we'll seee in a few hundred years.
what part is not true? islam is about 600 years behind christianity. that puts is in the 1400 brand of christianity, where slutty women were burned and tortured as witches and had no rights. christianity has its barbaric history. islam is moving towards liberalizing. why do you think the fanatics are so pissed off? becos they see their religion becoming more sensible and liberal every day. they see women in iran listening to rock music and voting under the shah. so they react by trying to turn back the clock and hold firm to outdated traditions. they blame the west for watering down their religion. does that sound similar to arguments american evangelists make about how america is allowing christianity to be watered down by accepting gays and listening to music about sex? it's the same thing. have you heard the vows they speak at christian masses about obeying and yielding to your husband in everything? it wasn't that long ago that was literally the case and in some places is still is.
islam is having the same growing pains christianity once did. they're like teenagers. emotional, easily offended and feeling persecuted, not sure who they want to be or who it is ok to be. the difference is there are a lot more muslims and a lot of them have bombs and guns and take out their rage and confusion on innocents. there will always be a conservative branch of islam, but until we stoked its fires by living up to every bad thing it says about us, it was waning rapidly.
sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women
(fuck I hate these boards sometimes, things often get misunderstood)
and its not my pet religion. I am close to hating all religions. and my beliefs are nobody elses business. I dont force my beliefs on anyone. lets not start with the condescending bullshit today ok?
then you are nuts. have you ever seen the film 'jesus camp'? there are plenty of christian extemists who hate those exact things. i know becos i personally know people raised in those faiths. hell, one of my friends was an ordained minister at one of those churches before leaving in disgust over exactly those things.
Also you can send a low dosage of volts through a man's nuts where it will hurt like fucking hell and they can still walk away unscathed.
ok, so low voltage dosage that causes no physical damage and casues some pain might fall out of the torture category. same reason why most police take tazors now. are they torturers?
Sticking bambbo sticks under someone's nails doesn't leave a noticable mark but it hurts like fuck. The victim can still get up and walk away unscathed.
sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women
(fuck I hate these boards sometimes, things often get misunderstood)
and its not my pet religion. I am close to hating all religions. and my beliefs are nobody elses business. I dont force my beliefs on anyone. lets not start with the condescending bullshit today ok?
I think it's a bit much to blame the religion of Islam for the manner in which, lets say women, are treated over in the Middle East. The problem is the religious leaders and government officials who have perverted the religion in order to control the population as means to the ends they desire. Christianity did the same thing many years ago. To a less violent extent Christian leaders still do it today. If you read the Bible, Torah, and the Qu'ran you will notice a similar message through out all three books. Blame those that prevert the religion not the religion itself.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
yes it is interesting isnt it. thats cuz we aren't taking any oil by force. but somehow most will suggest we went to war with Iraq to control oil. well we didnt. OPEC does and always will control oil no matter how many countries we invade.
and the price of that oil will always be set on the open market, not the white house.
Oh theres been some money passing hands.
Any amount of tension in the middle East drives the price of oil. You know that.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
ok, so low voltage dosage that causes no physical damage and casues some pain might fall out of the torture category. same reason why most police take tazors now. are they torturers?
Dude I don't care how low the voltage is, attaching electrical wires to some man's ball sack and send some juice through them is plain ass torture. A taser is a bit different in that you usually jab someone in the arm or leg and I would even considered prolonged usuage of a taser as torture.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women
Again you are showing a bias towards the christians.
How about just saying something along the lines of both religions have there extremists and i agree with niether, instead of the islamic extremists are worst because the TV tell me so.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
then you are nuts. have you ever seen the film 'jesus camp'? there are plenty of christian extemists who hate those exact things.
yea I've seen it. that covers what % of Christians? 0.0003% ? I'm not denying the existence of extremists on that side. how many fucking times do I have to repeat this. you are becoming a brick wall.
EXTREME CHRISTIANITY DOES EXIST.
got it? do I have to spell it out for you again? do I? I will. I will say it again if you didnt see what I wrote. should I? I swear I will. I promise.
now lets talk about how influential and violent each extreme side is. extreme Islam controls much of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebonan, Egypt, Indonesia, among others. do I need to go over the violent techniques used for non believers?
Their are plenty of extreme wacky christians all over america. I dont see them car bombing non believers.
i know becos i personally know people raised in those faiths. hell, one of my friends was an ordained minister at one of those churches before leaving in disgust over exactly those things.
yea I've seen it. that covers what % of Christians? 0.0003% ? I'm not denying the existence of extremists on that side. how many fucking times do I have to repeat this. you are becoming a brick wall.
EXTREME CHRISTIANITY DOES EXIST.
got it? do I have to spell it out for you again? do I? I will. I will say it again if you didnt see what I wrote. should I? I swear I will. I promise.
now lets talk about how influential and violent each extreme side is. extreme Islam controls much of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebonan, Egypt, Indonesia, among others. do I need to go over the violent techniques used for non believers?
Their are plenty of extreme wacky christians all over america. I dont see them car bombing non believers.
good for you
kudos on changing the topic mid-post from "I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women" (jlew) to christians don't use bombs without having to admit you were completely wrong in your former assertions.
Again you are showing a bias towards the christians.
How about just saying something along the lines of both religions have there extremists and i agree with niether, instead of the islamic extremists are worst because the TV tell me so.
I agree with neither. Islamic extremism is more violent and in greater size then extreme christianity.
just look at what happens when some random dude in Europe makes a funny cartoon about allah. there were riots around the world. OVER A CARTOON
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Is that here in 21st century America we are debating torture and when it is acceptable and what pain levels or chances of fatality constitute accpetable torture? think about that for a minute...
i think it is a real fucking shame
advanced my ass
we dont use electro shocking do we?
You are kinda making Islam out be a bunch of extremists, as citing it as justification to rule over them and correct their "ills"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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no no, I'm not justifying rule over them in any way at all. but when they attack us, then retaliation against them is justified.
you have never seen me say Islam. I have always said conservative or fundamentalist Islam. guess what...they are extremists.
They who though? just some random people who happen to be muslims or the extremists?
Because so far all i've seen is a hell of a lot of innocent people die. That is in no way justified.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
There will always be extremists on both sides, this is why the US still carries out the death penalty to maintain baseline order in it's legal system. The majority of the middle east does not punish for Hadd offenses under Sharia law.
Saudi Arabia is as bad as it gets. But Bush loves the Saudi's. It makes no sense to me that he's trying to stomp out something that he himself is in bed with for cash.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
bush loves the saudi's cuz they have oil. and he isnt friends with them so he personally can get cash. bush realizes that the world needs their oil to survive, the world economy depends on it. when mideast oil dries up, watch how fast no one in the world will give a fuck about that desert.
i ain't crazy about torture..ok?
waterboarding is about the most extreme thing we do...i guess
when we start chopping off heads, putting it on the net and tv, then i might start going off big time.
so far we aren't doing eye for eye
who knows? we kidnapped people and sent them to other countries that dont have torture alws? who knows what happened there? you think the CIA wasnt with these detainees ever step of the way? you think they were not in the room?
what i was trying to show, was that other forms of torture don't leave permanent injury or have to be fatal. and the masses automaticly assume it is "clear cut" torture, when at the same time question the severity or category of waterboarding...
there has been a propaganda campaign by the government and military to obfuscate the details of water boarding. some of the discussion in this thread, the excusing of its use, the over the top comparisons of beheading and it could be worse, and the incorrect concept of what it is shows clearly that this propaganda is having an affect.
it is torture. just like electro shock. one uses water, one uses electricty. dont excuse it. dont accept it. dont let it continue. not in your name. not in our name.
these times we are in are quite dangerous and extremely important. it is up to us as the citizens of this country and planet to ensure we continue to move forward into the next generations and progress as a people and as a world community. we have not beeen doing that for the past 6 years. we have been doing exactly the opposite. restricting rights, removing rights, war, torture, aligning with oppressive regimes, openly stating we will not negotiate but threaten military action instead... pre emptive military action... without negotiation...
save this thing for our childern and our future generations. just like everyone else i know a few beautiful young children we need to provide a better future, and we are currently not doing that... and this issue of torture is one of a many that are quite concerning and urgent for us to move forward
I'm sure hes deposited a few Saudi cheques, as has his father in his time. It's part and parcel of the project. There's perks no doubt, when you rub shoulders with that much money, some rubs off on you by default.
Interesting how oil was tons cheaper before the Iraq war. Taking by force is becoming rather expensive on every avenue. Why can't we just trade with them and buy it like were doing right now?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I can attach electric wires to your testicle and send some jolts through you and you would still be able to walk away. I could shove bamboo sticks under your finger nails and you would still be able to get up and walk away. I can put cigerettes out on your face and you would still be able to get up and walk away. There are many methods of interrogation that are considered depraved that would still allow the victim to get up and walk away after being administered.
yes it is interesting isnt it. thats cuz we aren't taking any oil by force. but somehow most will suggest we went to war with Iraq to control oil. well we didnt. OPEC does and always will control oil no matter how many countries we invade.
and the price of that oil will always be set on the open market, not the white house.
islam is a much younger religion, by about 600 years. compare its current problems with those of christianity at the same point in the development of christianity and you will find they are the same. they're rapidly catching up. i know a handful of muslim women and they all drive cars and none wear a burkha.
when I said get up and walk away, I was suggested unscathed
that would be nice if it true. I guess we'll seee in a few hundred years.
thats because in America they are free to do as they wish. unless I'm mistaken and you live in pakistan.
you also denied such a conservative side to your pet religion, christianity. that is called a double standard. and it's a false one at that. the only difference between conservative american christian faiths and the islam you love to hate is the burkha.
Waterboarding can cause brain damage from lack of oxygen. I wouldn't necessarily call that unscathed. Also you can send a low dosage of volts through a man's nuts where it will hurt like fucking hell and they can still walk away unscathed. Sticking bambbo sticks under someone's nails doesn't leave a noticable mark but it hurts like fuck. The victim can still get up and walk away unscathed. The lack of permanent damage or physical scares should not be the sole determining factor if an interrogation method is deemed torture or not.
So when we've been sponsoring the terrorism and oppression of the Palestinian people for 40 years, and have been engaged in economic terrorism against much of the middle East for just as long, if not longer...and...and...after the U.S obliterated Iraq in 1991 and wiped out approx 200,000 Iraqis, and then turned it's back on the Shiites in the south, when they attempted to overthrow Sadaam, and then in fact instructed Sadaam to 'restore order' in Iraq - thereby giving the Baathists tacit approval to wipe out the insurgency - still in 1991..and...and...e.t.c, e.t.c...
..when the U.S is attacked by a handful of Saudi extremists....then is 'retaliation against them...justified'? Ermm, yeah...sure! :rolleyes:
Edit: Hello Jlew! It's been a while!
sigh. I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women
(fuck I hate these boards sometimes, things often get misunderstood)
and its not my pet religion. I am close to hating all religions. and my beliefs are nobody elses business. I dont force my beliefs on anyone. lets not start with the condescending bullshit today ok?
what part is not true? islam is about 600 years behind christianity. that puts is in the 1400 brand of christianity, where slutty women were burned and tortured as witches and had no rights. christianity has its barbaric history. islam is moving towards liberalizing. why do you think the fanatics are so pissed off? becos they see their religion becoming more sensible and liberal every day. they see women in iran listening to rock music and voting under the shah. so they react by trying to turn back the clock and hold firm to outdated traditions. they blame the west for watering down their religion. does that sound similar to arguments american evangelists make about how america is allowing christianity to be watered down by accepting gays and listening to music about sex? it's the same thing. have you heard the vows they speak at christian masses about obeying and yielding to your husband in everything? it wasn't that long ago that was literally the case and in some places is still is.
islam is having the same growing pains christianity once did. they're like teenagers. emotional, easily offended and feeling persecuted, not sure who they want to be or who it is ok to be. the difference is there are a lot more muslims and a lot of them have bombs and guns and take out their rage and confusion on innocents. there will always be a conservative branch of islam, but until we stoked its fires by living up to every bad thing it says about us, it was waning rapidly.
then you are nuts. have you ever seen the film 'jesus camp'? there are plenty of christian extemists who hate those exact things. i know becos i personally know people raised in those faiths. hell, one of my friends was an ordained minister at one of those churches before leaving in disgust over exactly those things.
ok, so low voltage dosage that causes no physical damage and casues some pain might fall out of the torture category. same reason why most police take tazors now. are they torturers?
thats not unscathed IMO
I agree. but I more agree with the point that it doesnt end up giving us the information we need anyway, so it shouldnt be used.
I think it's a bit much to blame the religion of Islam for the manner in which, lets say women, are treated over in the Middle East. The problem is the religious leaders and government officials who have perverted the religion in order to control the population as means to the ends they desire. Christianity did the same thing many years ago. To a less violent extent Christian leaders still do it today. If you read the Bible, Torah, and the Qu'ran you will notice a similar message through out all three books. Blame those that prevert the religion not the religion itself.
Oh theres been some money passing hands.
Any amount of tension in the middle East drives the price of oil. You know that.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Dude I don't care how low the voltage is, attaching electrical wires to some man's ball sack and send some juice through them is plain ass torture. A taser is a bit different in that you usually jab someone in the arm or leg and I would even considered prolonged usuage of a taser as torture.
Again you are showing a bias towards the christians.
How about just saying something along the lines of both religions have there extremists and i agree with niether, instead of the islamic extremists are worst because the TV tell me so.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
EXTREME CHRISTIANITY DOES EXIST.
got it? do I have to spell it out for you again? do I? I will. I will say it again if you didnt see what I wrote. should I? I swear I will. I promise.
now lets talk about how influential and violent each extreme side is. extreme Islam controls much of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebonan, Egypt, Indonesia, among others. do I need to go over the violent techniques used for non believers?
Their are plenty of extreme wacky christians all over america. I dont see them car bombing non believers.
good for you
kudos on changing the topic mid-post from "I'm denying that the extreme side of christianity does not hate the same things extreme Islam hates.......fun, drinking, music, respect for women" (jlew) to christians don't use bombs without having to admit you were completely wrong in your former assertions.
I agree with neither. Islamic extremism is more violent and in greater size then extreme christianity.
just look at what happens when some random dude in Europe makes a funny cartoon about allah. there were riots around the world. OVER A CARTOON
Did you ever think that maybe they are not car bombing because they are non-believers but because of our government's actions in their countries.