Tolerance

deadnothingbetter

Deni wrote:

And about this... that whole thing in my original comment was a joke aimed at Juberoo, but I guess you didn't get it.

And its called the Wiccan Reed not the Wiccan Whatever.

oh.... i'm horrible at jokes. good at makin 'em but horrible at gettin 'em.

Deni

deadnothingbetter wrote:

oh.... i'm horrible at jokes. good at makin 'em but horrible at gettin 'em.

Its alright! *hugs*

moondancer

HAY Juberoo MY RELIGION IS WICCAN DOES THAT MEAN I AM "EVIL"
AND ALOT OF SOLDIERS BEFORE THEY WENT OVERSEAS WHERE CLEAN LIVING PEOPLE AND CAME BACK DRUG ADDICTS DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE "SCUM"

sweetpotato

Juberoo wrote:

According to the "tolerants" the concept of right and wrong is subjective to each person. So no, there is no "fact".

being tolerant is not the same as not knowing right from wrong.

decides2dream

sweetpotato wrote:

being tolerant is not the same as not knowing right from wrong.

absolutely.
taking it a step beyond that tho...the idea of right and wrong, well depending on where and when you are born...can be very different. so yes, the ideas of right and wrong...quite specific to who and where you are. live in the 1800s in england for example, and what is right and wrong there...vastly different from what would hold true in 2007 america. hell, what is right or wrong in afganastan in 2007 is quite different from new yokr in 2007! so who exactly gets to decide what is 'right and wrong?' our collective socieites...countries...governments, hopefully decided upon by the majority of it's citizens...and f course our own personal belief system brought up at home, on our own, thru our religion or not, etc, etc.


nonetheless....having your own personal set of beliefs for 'riht and wrong'....doesn't always, necessarily hold true for all. as long as said beliefs/actions do not hurt or infringe on anothers right to live as they see fit...wel then, it's simply about being TOLERANT of their right to do so, even if it goes against your personal morality.


hell, there are plenty of people in this world i disagree with...think wtf are they thinking with the choices they make...but yea, it's their choice to make, and i respect that.

jamtemplechains

soulsinging wrote:

where are you living that everyone else has a mom and dad? you are aware the divorce rate is over 50% right? most kids now have 2 dads and 2 moms already.

exactly! juberoo, the only reason disney even has gay day is so there's fair warning to people like you who get freaked out everytime somebody's holding hands with somebody else of the same sex. they kill two birds with one stone; they make themselves look open-minded and caring, AND they advertise it loudly so good ol' fashioned 'wholesome' families can skip out on disney for a day and hit up psycho-fundie pat robertson prejucoaster hateland!
and you know what, it's only children to people like you who beat up and tease kids with homosexual parents. where do you think they learn it? maybe if everyone would teach their children love, respect, and acceptance, kids wouldn't have to be ridiculed and teased....then again we wouldn't want to take that big chunk of your argument away from you would we?

soulsinging

jamtemplechains wrote:

and you know what, it's only children to people like you who beat up and tease kids with homosexual parents. where do you think they learn it? maybe if everyone would teach their children love, respect, and acceptance, kids wouldn't have to be ridiculed and teased.

had to quote it cos it's so true... those poor kids getting beat up... maybe we should worry more about who is beating them up and why? shit, when blacks were lynched in the south was it better to teach people that's no reason to kill someone or to urge black people to change their skin color so they wouldn't risk being lynched?

keeponrockin

soulsinging wrote:

had to quote it cos it's so true... those poor kids getting beat up... maybe we should worry more about who is beating them up and why? shit, when blacks were lynched in the south was it better to teach people that's no reason to kill someone or to urge black people to change their skin color so they wouldn't risk being lynched?

I agree 100%. I mean sure, I tease all the time, but its jokingly things. This is a line I wouldn't cross. Most would agree with me.

soulsinging

keeponrockin wrote:

I agree 100%. I mean sure, I tease all the time, but its jokingly things. This is a line I wouldn't cross. Most would agree with me.

i find it disturbing that jubsy is more concerned about making sure these kids don't deserve to be beaten up than figuring out why any kids would want to beat them up for that in the first place.

norm

soulsinging wrote:

i find it disturbing that jubsy is more concerned about making sure these kids don't deserve to be beaten up than figuring out why any kids would want to beat them up for that in the first place.

you've heard of the phase "fallen on deaf ears".....;)

decides2dream

SundaySilence wrote:

From the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Yale University School of Medicine:

"The literature supports the notion that children of lesbian mothers and gay fathers are not more likely to become homosexual and are not measurably different from children raised by heterosexual parents in terms of personality development, psychological development, and gender identity."
http://www.co-obgyn.com/pt/re/coobgyn/abstract.00001703-200506000-00014.htm;jsessionid=Gc5bJQnsYSn86F452DRfHkW5qrr69Vzqp56cnR8z0p3jznh6vryC!-933386751!181195628!8091!-1


From the Division of Adolescent Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY:
"There are no data to suggest that children who have gay or lesbian parents are different in any aspects of psychological, social, and sexual development from children in heterosexual families."
http://pedsinreview.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/9/354



From the School of Psychology, Birkbeck College University of London:

"Findings from research suggest that children with lesbian or gay parents are comparable with children with heterosexual parents on key psychosocial developmental outcomes."
http://www.jrnldbp.com/pt/re/jdbp/abstract.00004703-200506000-00012.htm;jsessionid=Gc8cPvQ7dmNWM3JyLTGD1Vj8k28qvLX1sV2gbkJSbnJLgdnc3ZVy!-933386751!181195628!8091!-1

SundaySilence wrote:

From the American Psychiatric Association:

"Numerous studies over the last three decades consistently demonstrate that children raised by gay or lesbian parents exhibit the same level of emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as children raised by heterosexual parents."
http://www.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/200214.pdf


From the American Academy of Pediatrics:

"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes."
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/341?fulltext=homosexuality&searchid=QID_NOT_SET

decides2dream wrote:

for excellent information/links posted above...and to see any counter-arguements links...if any....possibly provided.


especially b/c i see the same BS about children 'suffering' in homosexual homes being spewed elsewhere in other threads...and STILL not one shred of substantive evidence.

saying/typing it over and over...simply doesn't make it true!


hail, hail for accurate information!
kudos to sundaysilence for providing said info again...much obliged.

thought it all should be here since this 'tolerance' discussion seems especially focused on homosexuality...and it's sad to see some 'myths' getting posted here, again. just thought some ACCURATE info might be handy. enjoy!

soulsinging

decides2dream wrote:

thought it all should be here since this 'tolerance' discussion seems especially focused on homosexuality...and it's sad to see some 'myths' getting posted here, again. just thought some ACCURATE info might be handy. enjoy!

:rolleyes:

you should know better than to bring facts into this debate... it's about god's law, not those heathen scientists!

decides2dream

soulsinging wrote:

:rolleyes:

you should know better than to bring facts into this debate... it's about god's law, not those heathen scientists!

you know me...despite my better judgment...at times, i simply can't help myself.
although...i am learning.


here's another good one from that very same thread. i'd hate for all of it to be missed by those who surely could benefit/learn from it.

wolfbear wrote:

It's interesting. I finally googled and the only negative statements I could find were from religious sites. All others were either that same parent households were no different and quite a few actually said the kids were better off. This was one.
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=38cc20ce-7f14-44ea-b4d9-d4cd16d7a269&k=9378
I can't say I'm surprised. It is just common sense that two people who would go through all that they have to to have a child would be loving parents and provide a loving home and upbringing.

moondancer

HAY Juberoo you never answered my questions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MY RELIGION IS WICCAN DOES THAT MEAN I AM "EVIL"?
AND ALOT OF SOLDIERS BEFORE THEY WENT OVERSEAS WHERE CLEAN LIVING PEOPLE AND CAME BACK DRUG ADDICTS DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE "SCUM"?
kids who are beating kids up have problems not with the kid they are beating.It is they who are fucked up .and 9 times out of 10 it starts at their home .they are not born with hate in them its bred into them ,and they have to break that cycle.I feel sorry for people with all this ignorance, and hate because that means they are small minded .
when the KKK held their rally in new york alot of people hated the idea but theytolerated it because of their freedom of speach :
""""""deadnothingbetter"""""""
:::::::that wiccan thing you where talking about:
BIDE THE WICCAN LAW YE MUST,
IN PERFECT LOVE AND PERFECT TRUST.
EIGHT WORDS THE WICCAN REDE FULFILL;
AN' YE HARM NONE ,DO WHAT YE WILL.
WHAT YE SEND FORTH COMES BACK TO THEE
SO EVER MIND THE LAW OF THREE.
FOLLOW THIS WITH MIND AND HEART,
MERRY YE MEET,AND MERRY WE PART!

vedderfan10

Just being on the Message Pit is a lesson in tolerence for me. There's often so much crap in here that I want to smack people upside the head about, but normally I just log off and go kick my dogs around the yard...

gue_barium

You have to be a 'big' person to actually quantify what attitude serves a particular purpose. The ACLU takes on these cases by the hundreds a day, not because they think the ACLU should be a "big person" but because human liberty is questionable especially when it treads upon the liberties of another.