thus he is not forced to provide health benefits to homosexuals...your point being? btw - late edit....said employer DOES have to supply health benefits to homosexuals, if they are in his employ..which they may very/quite likely well be...he simply does not HAVE to...yet ...provide it for his/her same-sex partner. although as i've stated MANY do...b/c it makes good business sense. however, he does...right now...have to provide benefits to homosexuals....right NOW. so i wouldn't smile too much over this supposed 'victory' against something you seem to disgust/abhore...think is 'wrong'...whatever...b/c society DOES indeed agree that ALL employees...regardless of sexual orientation, gender, religion, race, etc....must be afforded the same rights...cannot be discriminated against in hiring practices...and that yes, ALL are entitled to whatever benefits are offered by said employer. and it still holds true, that this in NO way infringes on his rights to his personally held beliefs.
those of us who DO believe such legislation should be put into law...and rights to such benefits, amongst many other things afforded to married couples...be given to same-sex couples, including the right to marriage....do and vote what we can to help such along.
thankfully, the tides are changing...and as ever, slowly......but they ARE changing. even some quite willingly, b/c...bottomline....MANY savvy businesspeople realize, simply it's GOOD business to reward and attract good employees...and amazingly, many of them are homosexuals, and/or those who encourage/support homosexual rights. also, many are pushing their elected officials in the same direction, and again slowly...we see the changes happening. it's all good. sadly not all that long ago, we had such hate for MANY individuals/groups...abhorrent violence perpertrated against them...simply b/c of their sexual orientation, their gender, their skin color, their faith, their religion...etc. sadly, we are not entirely removed from it....but i think we collectively, are truly trying to work on it.
but absolutely....i think voltaire said it best:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
so go ahead and preach your intolerant disgust/hatred for homosexuals or whomever you desire...i am simply hopeful that the rest of the world does not follow your beliefs...and it may take time, but true equality...for ALL...will happen....and basic rights for all, will be respected.
if you take pleasure and/or some form of 'triumph' by denying a particular group any rights that you are entitled to as a citizen, as a worker...and relish the fact they are denied said rights simply on the basis on their sexual orientation alone......how sad for you. however, it is absolutely your right, and enjoy the company of like-minded individuals, b/c they are most definitely no one i would want to spend any amount of time with, even if i afford them the basic respect and rights i would wish for anyone.
Alright dipshit I've tried to play nice but now you're just pissing me off. What is this vebal dieorrea. Hey! Why don't we let the police put the Jews into camps so you don't have to look at them. Make seperate towns for the Blacks and whites. We can call it apartness. And all the gays can stay where they belong planning your Mother partys so their 'FABULOUS'.
And the clincher. I bet you any money in the world that you think you and fundementist muslims have absolutely nothing in common. There's no way that they could possibly see the world the way you do.
You really need to sit under a tree and have a good think about life, your own exsistence and how unaware you are of the people around you.
as someone said to me recently ... breathe. just breathe.
let the stupidity and everything else that doesn't matter just wash right over you.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
thus he is not forced to provide health benefits to homosexuals...your point being? btw - late edit....said employer DOES have to supply health benefits to homosexuals, if they are in his employ..which they may very/quite likely well be...he simply does not HAVE to...yet ...provide it for his/her same-sex partner. although as i've stated MANY do...b/c it makes good business sense. however, he does...right now...have to provide benefits to homosexuals....right NOW. so i wouldn't smile too much over this supposed 'victory' against something you seem to disgust/abhore...think is 'wrong'...whatever...b/c society DOES indeed agree that ALL employees...regardless of sexual orientation, gender, religion, race, etc....must be afforded the same rights...cannot be discriminated against in hiring practices...and that yes, ALL are entitled to whatever benefits are offered by said employer. and it still holds true, that this in NO way infringes on his rights to his personally held beliefs.
those of us who DO believe such legislation should be put into law...and rights to such benefits, amongst many other things afforded to married couples...be given to same-sex couples, including the right to marriage....do and vote what we can to help such along.
thankfully, the tides are changing...and as ever, slowly......but they ARE changing. even some quite willingly, b/c...bottomline....MANY savvy businesspeople realize, simply it's GOOD business to reward and attract good employees...and amazingly, many of them are homosexuals, and/or those who encourage/support homosexual rights. also, many are pushing their elected officials in the same direction, and again slowly...we see the changes happening. it's all good. sadly not all that long ago, we had such hate for MANY individuals/groups...abhorrent violence perpertrated against them...simply b/c of their sexual orientation, their gender, their skin color, their faith, their religion...etc. sadly, we are not entirely removed from it....but i think we collectively, are truly trying to work on it.
but absolutely....i think voltaire said it best:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
so go ahead and preach your intolerant disgust/hatred for homosexuals or whomever you desire...i am simply hopeful that the rest of the world does not follow your beliefs...and it may take time, but true equality...for ALL...will happen....and basic rights for all, will be respected.
if you take pleasure and/or some form of 'triumph' by denying a particular group any rights that you are entitled to as a citizen, as a worker...and relish the fact they are denied said rights simply on the basis on their sexual orientation alone......how sad for you. however, it is absolutely your right, and enjoy the company of like-minded individuals, b/c they are most definitely no one i would want to spend any amount of time with, even if i afford them the basic respect and rights i would wish for anyone.
you know, this reminds me, since i live in austin.... just blocks away from the capitol.... every year or so, the kkk rally around the capitol to protest against things like "same sex marriages" and crap like that.... so when that happens, others who are obviously disgusted by it, usually gather in larger numbers to protest against the kkk. an asian, who i spoke to recently, had faced racism and discrimination when he was young, told me that the best way to protest against them eliminating them of any power they have is to ignore them. if you don't, you're giving their voices power. i think he's right.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
I think it should be pretty obvious that if there is a crash between individual rights and individual opinions which one of them should yield...
That's really what it boils down to isn't it? Whether someone's ability to order themselves and their lives as wanted can be countered by someone disagreeing with it, or rather that someone's life and anothers personal opinion should have the same weight...
There may be small point inside Juberoo's reasoning, and I think he/she is attributed a bit more than he/she said and maybe Juberoo just likes stirring the nest. But it comes down to this:
Juberoo, concerning your life and how you live it, should yours or mine opinion of it and your liefstyle hold the most weight as to whether you should be allowed/not disallowed to live it?
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
because what the fuck does it matter to you if two men want to marry eachother? How does this hurt you or effect your life in any way? Your stance that they SHOULDN'T marry, effects their life if you get your way, doesn't it? If you don't want to be in a gay marriage well don't marry someone of the same sex... simple as that.
So if you don't believe that women should be allowed to work, should that right be taken away from ME?
If you don't believe that God exists, should people not be allowed attend a church of their choice anymore?
If you don't believe in aliens, do they cease to exist?
Who the fuck died and made YOU God? I don't agree with everything that people do, but I believe in karma and if something's wrong, it WILL come back to bite them in the arse. Why should YOU be judge, jury and executioner?
Can you honestly say you have NEVER EVER done anything wrong in your life?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
exactly....and right now....society says that the law does not recognize gay marriage....
You get pleasure from that. I find that very sad.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Mainstream? Do you possibly think it's contagious or something? 'Subjected to it'? Children innocently mixed up? Do you HONESTLY believe all this? I mean honestly? If you don't please pm me and let me know and I promise I won't tell anyone you're a fake... but I really can't believe that people still come out with this stuff but yet don't know all the counter arguments to it. I could counteract myself but it's just all so bloody obvious.
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The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Why spend time to argue with someone who is politically and socially inept?!?!?
lol...right...how bout never...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
When you choose to take the dark ugly paths of judgment, blame, hatred and intolerance, you choose to step out of alignment with pure. Plain and simple.
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"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Because children are so worried (or even knowledgeable) about their parents' sexlife... I know that when I was a little one, I cared more about how mommy and daddy got it on, then having two loving and supporting parents... :rolleyes:
The "think of the children" line is such bullshit...
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My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Because children are so worried (or even knowledgeable) about their parents' sexlife... I know that when I was a little one, I cared more about how mommy and daddy got it on, then having two loving and supporting parents... :rolleyes:
The "think of the children" line is such bullshit...
lol, yes; it's been my experience that young children have been extremely worried about the effects of homosexuality on their world around them!... haha; juberoo, the only reason people turn out prejudiced and hateful to gays is because when THEY were children, no one took the time to explain to them that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. ignorance breeds ignorance, and i think it's pretty clear what kind of environment you've come from...
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
lol, yes; it's been my experience that young children have been extremely worried about the effects of homosexuality on their world around them!... haha; juberoo, the only reason people turn out prejudiced and hateful to gays is because when THEY were children, no one took the time to explain to them that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. ignorance breeds ignorance, and i think it's pretty clear what kind of environment you've come from...
I don't even think that parents need to take the time to actually explain that nothing is wrong it homosexuality, or that different color people are not inferior or that, people who believe in a different religion aren't any good, etc... I can't remember my parents every coming out and telling me those things, but as a kid growing up, you learn from example those types of things. If your parents and family treat everyone the same, then chances are you will to.
I think most kids growing up are tolerant to just about everyone who treats them well, even if the subject isn't brought up by the parents. It takes parents telling (or showing) kids how to be racist or bigots for them to be like that. Kids will know the differences, but usually just don't care...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
1. poor you. subjected to WHAT, exactly? two people who love each other and *gasp!* are of the same gender?! oh the horrors.
2. c complete agreement.
3. my bible passages are rather rusty...however:
let ye without sin cas the first stone. do you TRULY believe you are so pious and righteous that you have the RIGHT to judge others? truly? b/c if i got nothing out of my religious upbringing, id di WELL absorb the message that we are all sinners....and we all should turn the other cheek...and we should all try our best to live free of judging others. enjoy your purity tho. funny thing is, for many of us....we don't see what is 'wrong' with what you find so abhorrent, so it really is all perspective.
eh well.....it's been fun, but after a while you realize, what's the point? it is boring debate when the other side brings nothing of substantive nature to the table. enjoy your purity and your self-righteousness. what a lonely world for your children, being taught to exclude and judge many on what? personally, i would much rather see a child grow up in a loving and tolerant home environment, wit same sex parents who teach their children by example...of to jusdge others by their actions and deeds.....and not such superficialities such as who they choose to love, or evn to simply fuck...what color is their skin...what religion they choose to practice....what car they have in the drive...how lfat are their thighs, etc, etc. it's all judging on things that simply do no relate to the 'value' of said human being. wow...sounds a LOT like how i view a person of true character.
I don't even think that parents need to take the time to actually explain that nothing is wrong it homosexuality, or that different color people are not inferior or that, people who believe in a different religion aren't any good, etc... I can't remember my parents every coming out and telling me those things, but as a kid growing up, you learn from example those types of things. If your parents and family treat everyone the same, then chances are you will to.
I think most kids growing up are tolerant to just about everyone who treats them well, even if the subject isn't brought up by the parents. It takes parents telling (or showing) kids how to be racist or bigots for them to be like that. Kids will know the differences, but usually just don't care...
sooo well stated, and so true. i have witnessed such, firsthand, with many of my students...and upon meeting their parents, etc. children see 'differences' but are merely curious of them, but do not judge...unless taught to judge. from the mouths of babes, eh?
Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse
Of my innocence... got back my inner sense...
Baby got it, still got it
awesome. thanks for reminding me why i have no desire to come back to ohio.
now don't throw away a whole population b/c of one rotten apple.
i find it ver interesting...to be kind about it...when people are referred to as 'filth'....'disgusting'....'abhorrent'...or any othr vile/nasty descriptor one would choose. especially when we are not discussing truly sick individuals who harm others...such as murderers...rapists...or pedophiles. merely, referencing people who love, but happen to love someone of the same gender. we have FAR more in common with a homosexual than we don't. why? b/c whie sex is a very important part of our make-up...it is NOT everything, and evn as important as it is.....well the behaviors of purse sex, lust...and love...still overall the same, just instead of opposite genders, the same. so that ONE thing....no matter ALL else they bring to this world as a human being, the contributions they make to this world...completely dismissed away in disgust....over their love and/or desire for someone of the same gender. how sad and exclusionary.
sooo well stated, and so true. i have witnessed such, firsthand, with many of my students...and upon meeting their parents, etc. children see 'differences' but are merely curious of them, but do not judge...unless taught to judge. from the mouths of babes, eh?
One of my favorite stories is from my in-laws who were talking about my wife when she was like 3 years old... They lived in a small, rural (mostly white) town in central MA, and one day in line at the bank behind a black family, my now-wife asked her mother, loudly of course, "why are those people chocolate?" My mother-in-law was horrified, but happy that the people just laughed it off.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Yes, but you're judging ignorance and hate according to your own opinions. These are subjective concepts
they are not subjective. anything that comes out of good intent should never be subjective. anything that has to do with love, even if it comes to defending goodness by abhorring the wrong, it's an objective matter. something that we all should fight for.
i think you mean to say that you are judging what you think is ignorance and hate based on your opinions.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
or consider how in some state where gay marriages are being permitted.... many of these "pro" gay marriages are also fighting to have the law force preachers and pastors to marry gay couples even if they don't agree with it. and if they are opposed to it then these gay couples have the right to sue them, or have their licenses revoked, which would then mean they can no longer preach, teach, or marry in a local/organized church.
If this is true then I don't agree with it. There is a UU church in every state! UU accepts gays and they preform gay marriage now even though its not accepted by the government. There is always a minister who could preform the marriage in the state somewhere. Let the bigots be bigots as long as your rights aren't infringed. I think suing a judge who refused to do it (in the states where it is legal anyway) would be different because he works for the government and as a representative of that government he/she should uphold the laws. But I say... let the churches who refuse to bend alone. Eventually this new wind will break them.
my philosophy has always been this, "believe in whatever you want to believe as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else." i think that is basic tolerance.
Yeah, but Juberoo couldn't believe that. Don't you know that thats a philosophy of the damned Pagans. If she believed that she'd go to hell! :rolleyes:
If this is true then I don't agree with it. There is a UU church in every state! UU accepts gays and they preform gay marriage now even though its not accepted by the government. There is always a minister who could preform the marriage in the state somewhere. Let the bigots be bigots as long as your rights aren't infringed. I think suing a judge who refused to do it (in the states where it is legal anyway) would be different because he works for the government and as a representative of that government he/she should uphold the laws. But I say... let the churches who refuse to bend alone. Eventually this new wind will break them.
well, i'm not sure how true it is in the first place. but it's really not bigotry if someone disagrees with it. the same goes for divorces, smoking marijuana, multiple sex partners, even drinking alcohol are all things that churches don't support. it's not a political thing... it's not a hate thing... it's none of those things. all they are basing it on is on their own moral standards based on what they believe in that book. someone who sleeps with the same sex is nothing different to the church than someone who has premarital sex. it's all in the same boat... beyond that it's all theological.
however, the church will never break enough to support gay marriages by any means. it will never happen. if they do, then they are not churches.
Yeah, but Juberoo couldn't believe that. Don't you know that thats a philosophy of the damned Pagans. If she believed that she'd go to hell! :rolleyes:
it's not a pagan belief, though. jesus even lived with this kind of attitude. he respected others who opposed him, even those who wanted him dead.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
but it's really not bigotry if someone disagrees with it. the same goes for divorces, smoking marijuana, multiple sex partners, even drinking alcohol are all things that churches don't support. it's not a political thing... it's not a hate thing... it's none of those things. all they are basing it on is on their own moral standards based on what they believe in that book. someone who sleeps with the same sex is nothing different to the church than someone who has premarital sex. it's all in the same boat... beyond that it's all theological.
Well, I'm just going to have to disagree with you there. Its not about the people who just "disagree" with it. Its about the people who actively try to deny others their rights based on nothing but the fact that they disagree with it... Those people ARE in fact bigots.
Well, I'm just going to have to disagree with you there. Its not about the people who just "disagree" with it. Its about the people who actively try to deny others their rights based on nothing but the fact that they disagree with it... Those people ARE in fact bigots.
that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about those who simply disagree with the lifestyles but don't force others to believe like them or live according to what they believe. like i had mentioned earlier. nothing political... nothing hateful... just a different moral standard.
Well, yeah it is a Pagan belief. And I should know, being Pagan and all.
The Wiccan Reed states in part, An it Harm None, do what thou wilt.
just cause it's in the wiccan whatever doesn't mean a thing. i think it's a general understanding of how to get along with each other. you know, like, "whatever floats your boat."
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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thus he is not forced to provide health benefits to homosexuals...your point being? btw - late edit....said employer DOES have to supply health benefits to homosexuals, if they are in his employ..which they may very/quite likely well be...he simply does not HAVE to...yet
those of us who DO believe such legislation should be put into law...and rights to such benefits, amongst many other things afforded to married couples...be given to same-sex couples, including the right to marriage....do and vote what we can to help such along.
thankfully, the tides are changing...and as ever, slowly......but they ARE changing. even some quite willingly, b/c...bottomline....MANY savvy businesspeople realize, simply it's GOOD business to reward and attract good employees...and amazingly, many of them are homosexuals, and/or those who encourage/support homosexual rights. also, many are pushing their elected officials in the same direction, and again slowly...we see the changes happening. it's all good.
but absolutely....i think voltaire said it best:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
so go ahead and preach your intolerant disgust/hatred for homosexuals or whomever you desire...i am simply hopeful that the rest of the world does not follow your beliefs...and it may take time, but true equality...for ALL...will happen....and basic rights for all, will be respected.
if you take pleasure and/or some form of 'triumph' by denying a particular group any rights that you are entitled to as a citizen, as a worker...and relish the fact they are denied said rights simply on the basis on their sexual orientation alone......how sad for you. however, it is absolutely your right, and enjoy the company of like-minded individuals, b/c they are most definitely no one i would want to spend any amount of time with, even if i afford them the basic respect and rights i would wish for anyone.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
as someone said to me recently ... breathe. just breathe.
let the stupidity and everything else that doesn't matter just wash right over you.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
That's really what it boils down to isn't it? Whether someone's ability to order themselves and their lives as wanted can be countered by someone disagreeing with it, or rather that someone's life and anothers personal opinion should have the same weight...
There may be small point inside Juberoo's reasoning, and I think he/she is attributed a bit more than he/she said and maybe Juberoo just likes stirring the nest. But it comes down to this:
Juberoo, concerning your life and how you live it, should yours or mine opinion of it and your liefstyle hold the most weight as to whether you should be allowed/not disallowed to live it?
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You get pleasure from that. I find that very sad.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
lol...right...how bout never...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Because children are so worried (or even knowledgeable) about their parents' sexlife... I know that when I was a little one, I cared more about how mommy and daddy got it on, then having two loving and supporting parents... :rolleyes:
The "think of the children" line is such bullshit...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
lol, yes; it's been my experience that young children have been extremely worried about the effects of homosexuality on their world around them!... haha; juberoo, the only reason people turn out prejudiced and hateful to gays is because when THEY were children, no one took the time to explain to them that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. ignorance breeds ignorance, and i think it's pretty clear what kind of environment you've come from...
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
I don't even think that parents need to take the time to actually explain that nothing is wrong it homosexuality, or that different color people are not inferior or that, people who believe in a different religion aren't any good, etc... I can't remember my parents every coming out and telling me those things, but as a kid growing up, you learn from example those types of things. If your parents and family treat everyone the same, then chances are you will to.
I think most kids growing up are tolerant to just about everyone who treats them well, even if the subject isn't brought up by the parents. It takes parents telling (or showing) kids how to be racist or bigots for them to be like that. Kids will know the differences, but usually just don't care...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
1. poor you. subjected to WHAT, exactly? two people who love each other and *gasp!* are of the same gender?! oh the horrors.
2. c complete agreement.
3. my bible passages are rather rusty...however:
let ye without sin cas the first stone. do you TRULY believe you are so pious and righteous that you have the RIGHT to judge others? truly? b/c if i got nothing out of my religious upbringing, id di WELL absorb the message that we are all sinners....and we all should turn the other cheek...and we should all try our best to live free of judging others. enjoy your purity tho. funny thing is, for many of us....we don't see what is 'wrong' with what you find so abhorrent, so it really is all perspective.
eh well.....it's been fun, but after a while you realize, what's the point? it is boring debate when the other side brings nothing of substantive nature to the table. enjoy your purity and your self-righteousness. what a lonely world for your children, being taught to exclude and judge many on what? personally, i would much rather see a child grow up in a loving and tolerant home environment, wit same sex parents who teach their children by example...of to jusdge others by their actions and deeds.....and not such superficialities such as who they choose to love, or evn to simply fuck...what color is their skin...what religion they choose to practice....what car they have in the drive...how lfat are their thighs, etc, etc. it's all judging on things that simply do no relate to the 'value' of said human being. wow...sounds a LOT like how i view a person of true character.
sooo well stated, and so true. i have witnessed such, firsthand, with many of my students...and upon meeting their parents, etc. children see 'differences' but are merely curious of them, but do not judge...unless taught to judge. from the mouths of babes, eh?
Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse
Of my innocence... got back my inner sense...
Baby got it, still got it
*edit - corrected lyrics
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
awesome. thanks for reminding me why i have no desire to come back to ohio.
now don't throw away a whole population b/c of one rotten apple.
i find it ver interesting...to be kind about it...when people are referred to as 'filth'....'disgusting'....'abhorrent'...or any othr vile/nasty descriptor one would choose. especially when we are not discussing truly sick individuals who harm others...such as murderers...rapists...or pedophiles. merely, referencing people who love, but happen to love someone of the same gender. we have FAR more in common with a homosexual than we don't. why? b/c whie sex is a very important part of our make-up...it is NOT everything, and evn as important as it is.....well the behaviors of purse sex, lust...and love...still overall the same, just instead of opposite genders, the same. so that ONE thing....no matter ALL else they bring to this world as a human being, the contributions they make to this world...completely dismissed away in disgust....over their love and/or desire for someone of the same gender. how sad and exclusionary.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
One of my favorite stories is from my in-laws who were talking about my wife when she was like 3 years old... They lived in a small, rural (mostly white) town in central MA, and one day in line at the bank behind a black family, my now-wife asked her mother, loudly of course, "why are those people chocolate?" My mother-in-law was horrified, but happy that the people just laughed it off.
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Yes, but you're judging ignorance and hate according to your own opinions. These are subjective concepts
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i think you mean to say that you are judging what you think is ignorance and hate based on your opinions.
Exactly... and right now... we are trying to change that because we see it as unjust.
Peace and Love
Deni
I'm right there with you, dude. Talking to somebody like Juberoo really is like banging your head into a wall.
I don't know why I bother sometimes. lol
Peace and Love
Deni
If this is true then I don't agree with it. There is a UU church in every state! UU accepts gays and they preform gay marriage now even though its not accepted by the government. There is always a minister who could preform the marriage in the state somewhere. Let the bigots be bigots as long as your rights aren't infringed. I think suing a judge who refused to do it (in the states where it is legal anyway) would be different because he works for the government and as a representative of that government he/she should uphold the laws. But I say... let the churches who refuse to bend alone. Eventually this new wind will break them.
Yeah, but Juberoo couldn't believe that. Don't you know that thats a philosophy of the damned Pagans. If she believed that she'd go to hell! :rolleyes:
Peace and Love
Deni
however, the church will never break enough to support gay marriages by any means. it will never happen. if they do, then they are not churches.
it's not a pagan belief, though. jesus even lived with this kind of attitude. he respected others who opposed him, even those who wanted him dead.
Well, I'm just going to have to disagree with you there. Its not about the people who just "disagree" with it. Its about the people who actively try to deny others their rights based on nothing but the fact that they disagree with it... Those people ARE in fact bigots.
Well, yeah it is a Pagan belief. And I should know, being Pagan and all.
The Wiccan Reed states in part, An it Harm None, do what thou wilt.
Peace and Love
Deni
just cause it's in the wiccan whatever doesn't mean a thing. i think it's a general understanding of how to get along with each other. you know, like, "whatever floats your boat."
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.