Tolerance

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  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    edited February 2021
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    Post edited by Sea on
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    edited February 2021


    No it sounds like you would like to deny people there rights, so you can keep your outmoded views.

    It's as if your saying that people should still belive the world is flat. When it is clearly not.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Juberoo wrote:
    Plain andsimple, because the law forces him to employ and pay benefits for those he disapproves of. That is taking away HIS right to believe a certain way and disagree.

    And to those who asked....yes I believe this goes for anyones ideals. Be it the boss doesn't want to employ interracial couples, women, men, jews....whatever. He should have the right to decide. Being forced to accept people he doesn't agree with, is stripping him of his right to choose.

    no, it doesn't...and if you cannot differentiate the two..well i've got nothing to help you with that. reread your own words, and see how what you say makes any sense? NONE of that has any bearing on someone's personal belief systems.

    his right to believe what he believes remains INTACT...you are simply suggesting that he gets to pick and choose what RIGHTS are afforded to everyone. perhaps he should'n't run a business if he wants to discriminate....just as i guess he better hope no gays, blacks, woemn or jews buy his products either...b/c certainly shouldn't want their $$$ since he so disapproves of them.

    believe what you want to....but don't try and force said beliefs on others. so if one believes women shouldn't work, or that they shouldn't have to employ jews..or blacks...or gays...or pay for any of their benefits SIMPLY on the basis of their gender, their religion, the color of their skin, sexual orientation, etc...well thankfully, our collective society has said NO to that. he should vote for different laws if that's what he wants....but he has to accept what society says in regards to LAW....NOT his personal beliefs. believe away!


    what truly is fascinating to me...truly...is WHY anyone gives a flying fuck what someone else's sexual orientation is, what religion they practice, etc, etc. it has ZERO bearing on your life. no one is forcing you to participate in said lifestyle...no one even cares if it disgusts you. why can't people take a live and let live attitude when it comes to consenting adults? no one is looking for 'acceptance' but rather, simply, respect to live their lives as they see fit. DENYING someone basic rights is just WRONG. personal beliefs are just that...and have no business in business. amazing....
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    edited February 2021


    who says he has to accept them? he can go home and hate them all he wants. should your employer have the power to decide whom you may marry? if he hates lutherans, you think he should be able to fire you for marrying a lutheran? shit, what if he hates fat chicks becos he thinks they're gluttonous sinners? should he be able to throw out any overweight customers? fire you for dating a porker? where does it stop?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited February 2021


    OMFG i am in agreeance with juberoo. i too am intolerant of what i do not believe to be right. eg. prejudice, ignorance and bigotry.
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  • LoveRock333
    LoveRock333 Posts: 59
    Kids, this thread is a waste of my time and yours, but if you learn something from it, well and good.

    Tolerance is something that's used to help smooth over confrontations so we can all learn from each other.

    We tolerate other people's way of life because they have the right to express themselves in a peaceful and loving way and we can learn from it.

    We do NOT tolerate people's way of life if it expresses to curb the rights of others. They're not being peaceful, they don't love anyone other than themselves. Eg: racists, bigots, Westboro baptist Church and of course, the State of Alabama.
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  • moondancer
    moondancer Posts: 24
    I worked in a call center. on one side of me was a woman who was a" reborn christian",on the other side was a young man who was a jehovah witness .this woman every day use to badger this poor boy about his religion .
    I listened to her for 2 months.and so it was christmas " she was on him.so I went and found a card with a beautiful snow seen , I gave it to him ,turned to her and said "by the way i am wiccan i do not beleave in your religion,you have sat next to me for 2 years i have said nothing but nice things to you .does this make me evil in yur eyes ? she sat there with her mouth open.
    I turned to him and told him to open the card, reluctantlyhe did.He looked up at me and smiled ,turned the card to this lady and the card just said "cool yule dude ".him and I started to laugh she turned around to her computer said nothing.she left him alone after that {didn't say much to me either}.her car wouldn't start a few weeks later and it was he and i who helped her .so it doesn't matter what you beleive in, just as long as you beleive with all your heart!
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    edited February 2021
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    Post edited by Sea on
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited February 2021


    holy shit!

    ::slams head in to wall repeatedly in disbelief::

    holy motherfucking shit!
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  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    holy shit!

    ::slams head in to wall repeatedly in disbelief::

    holy motherfucking shit!

    I know. :rolleyes:
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    edited February 2021


    And laws have always represented the people's best interests, haven't they? Man, if only race and gender were still grounds to discriminate under law.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Juberoo wrote:
    Plain andsimple, because the law forces him to employ and pay benefits for those he disapproves of. That is taking away HIS right to believe a certain way and disagree.

    And to those who asked....yes I believe this goes for anyones ideals. Be it the boss doesn't want to employ interracial couples, women, men, jews....whatever. He should have the right to decide. Being forced to accept people he doesn't agree with, is stripping him of his right to choose.
    Wait. So you just said that... It should be ok for an employer to discriminate based on race.

    Wow. You found gay marriage disgusting. I find THIS disgusting.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Drowned Out wrote:
    How is his right to believe differently compromised? It isn't at all!
    Having to pay into something he doesn't believe in does not make him have to believe in or agree with it. He is free to speak out against it and try to have the law changed back to how he wants it. In relation to the thread topic, he is not tolerating gay marriage. How are the gay people being intolerant by asking to be allowed to marry? A gay person asking to marry is not forcing any BELIEF upon YOU. Same as the drug issue brought up earlier today. If drugs are legalized, it does not mean that you condone their use to live in a non-prohibitionist society. You are not having any belief forced upon you, as drug users are having the belief that drug use is wrong thrust upon them.
    i don't agree with the thread-starter completely but coming from this line of logic you're providing, it's like asking me to give money to someone who wants to have an abortion.

    or consider how in some state where gay marriages are being permitted.... many of these "pro" gay marriages are also fighting to have the law force preachers and pastors to marry gay couples even if they don't agree with it. and if they are opposed to it then these gay couples have the right to sue them, or have their licenses revoked, which would then mean they can no longer preach, teach, or marry in a local/organized church.

    at some extent juberoo has a really good point. although (s)he might be stepping over the line a little bit. it doesn't matter who you are, pro-choice/pro-life, liberal/conservatist, at some point or another you will show signs of intolerance. that's who we are... humans. no one is above anyone else.

    my philosophy has always been this, "believe in whatever you want to believe as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else." i think that is basic tolerance.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    my philosophy has always been this, "believe in whatever you want to believe as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else." i think that is basic tolerance.
    My choice is what I choose to do
    If I'm causin no harm why should it bother you
    Your choice is who you choose to be
    If your causin no harm, you're alright with me

    I agree. However, discriminating while hiring IS hurting someone.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    or consider how in some state where gay marriages are being permitted.... many of these "pro" gay marriages are also fighting to have the law force preachers and pastors to marry gay couples even if they don't agree with it. and if they are opposed to it then these gay couples have the right to sue them, or have their licenses revoked, which would then mean they can no longer preach, teach, or marry in a local/organized church.

    oh come one man. this is such a cop out. we all know there is no way 1) they'd ever pass it and 2) it would ever hold up under the SC. if this really spooks you, you're nuts.

    however, if you're pointing to it as a sign of hypocrisy, then yeah, im with you. that's fucking stupid. if you want your religion to marry you, change the church or change your religion. you can't legislate that. it's one of the pillars of the US constitution.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    oh come one man. this is such a cop out. we all know there is no way 1) they'd ever pass it and 2) it would ever hold up under the SC. if this really spooks you, you're nuts.

    however, if you're pointing to it as a sign of hypocrisy, then yeah, im with you. that's fucking stupid. if you want your religion to marry you, change the church or change your religion. you can't legislate that. it's one of the pillars of the US constitution.
    yeah, that's what i said. i'm not entirely sure or where this came from... they sent that info to my dad's email so i wouldn't be able to verify how accurate it is. but that's exactly what i told my dad... that they'd never pass that law. it's ridiculous. but then again, i don't know how true it is.... i just used that as an example.

    nothing spooks me though... haven't you known enough about me to know that? ;)
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    keeponrockin wrote:
    My choice is what I choose to do
    If I'm causin no harm why should it bother you
    Your choice is who you choose to be
    If your causin no harm, you're alright with me

    I agree. However, discriminating while hiring IS hurting someone.
    i'm not saying taht you're causing harm. i'm saying IF IT DOES cause harm then you've got a problem for believing it. just like a racist, or a bigot.... like i said, i don't entirely agree with the thread-starter, but he does have a few good points.
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  • bharQ
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  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    edited February 2021


    Alright dipshit I've tried to play nice but now you're just pissing me off. What is this vebal dieorrea. Hey! Why don't we let the police put the Jews into camps so you don't have to look at them. Make seperate towns for the Blacks and whites. We can call it apartness. And all the gays can stay where they belong planning your Mother partys so their 'FABULOUS'.

    And the clincher. I bet you any money in the world that you think you and fundementist muslims have absolutely nothing in common. There's no way that they could possibly see the world the way you do.

    You really need to sit under a tree and have a good think about life, your own exsistence and how unaware you are of the people around you.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Austicman wrote:
    Alright dipshit
    dickshit is actually a better word, imo. :D
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