What's the fucking deal with Palestinians?

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swallowedwords wrote:

The reason why is because the overwhelming majority of Americans condemn the KKK today, while a substantial number of Muslims (in the millions) claim that suicide bombing is a legitimate tactic. The number of KKK members compared to the number of radical Jihadists in ridiculous.

Source....let me guess the Israeli goverment?

swallowedwords

Open wrote:

Source....let me guess the Israeli goverment?

Common sense is the source. Lord, open your eyes and ears.

angelica

swallowedwords wrote:

Israelis don't target innocent civilians, while Arab suicide bombers do. Big difference.

While you're trying to make the other guy wrong, it looks like you are carefully choosing your words in a way that portrays yourself and your view as "right".


One is responsible for those they kill, and justify killing, whether they are the target or not.

The difference is ideology only. Killing people is killing people.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

swallowedwords wrote:

Common sense is the source. Lord, open your eyes and ears.

If you see no wrong committed against the Palestinians....then there are no words you can use to legitimize yourself.

How's that saying go "It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic"

give a little...get a little

We all can see one side has had to already give plenty while the other has taken.

So ....do what now? keep taking?

hmm

You gonna burn up the entire middle east looking for love?

mammasan

swallowedwords wrote:

Israelis don't target innocent civilians, while Arab suicide bombers do. Big difference.

I'm not defending the suicide bombers because their actions are indefensible but to state that Israeli soldiers don't kill innocent civilians is out right false. While Israelis may not strap on an explosive vest and blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace or bus, they do how ever fire missles into apartment buildings and houses killing scores of civilians in order to take down a small handful of terrorists. These types of overkill retaliations just help the cycle of violence continue.

swallowedwords

mammasan wrote:

I'm not defending the suicide bombers because their actions are indefensible but to state that Israeli soldiers don't kill innocent civilians is out right false. While Israelis may not strap on an explosive vest and blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace or bus, they do how ever fire missles into apartment buildings and houses killing scores of civilians in order to take down a small handful of terrorists. These types of overkill retaliations just help the cycle of violence continue.

There will always be innocent civilians killed in wars/battle. When you have Islamic terrorists hiding amongst their civilians, the Israeli soldiers have little choice. It's far different than purposely going after innocent civilians, which is what Muslim "Shahids" do. I'm amazed so many "intelligent" people on this board are so damn blind.

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

There will always be innocent civilians killed in wars/battle. When you have Islamic terrorists hiding amongst their civilians, the Israeli soldiers have little choice. It's far different than purposely going after innocent civilians, which is what Muslim "Shahids" do. I'm amazed so many "intelligent" people on this board are so damn blind.

Pot/kettle.

swallowedwords

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Pot/kettle.

Oh, you know I'm right. You're just afraid to admit it. C'mon, swallow your pride and come to the right side.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I hear the pro Israeli plight to a certain point...but then I can't get this image out of my head enough to fully believe it at face value.

http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au/images/Palestine%20Map%20Big.jpg

sow...reap...it all connects...

mammasan

swallowedwords wrote:

There will always be innocent civilians killed in wars/battle. When you have Islamic terrorists hiding amongst their civilians, the Israeli soldiers have little choice. It's far different than purposely going after innocent civilians, which is what Muslim "Shahids" do. I'm amazed so many "intelligent" people on this board are so damn blind.

It's not blindness. Many here just refuse to place all the blame on one side. Both sides have committed wrongs in this ongoing cluster fuck. And yes you are correct that these jihadist do hide amongst the populace but that still doesn't excuse Israel helicopters firing thousands of pounds of ordinance into a packed apartment building. It is a bloody cycle and until one side decides to break it, it will never end.

There are other ways to end the violence and more violence will never be the solution.

swallowedwords

mammasan wrote:

It's not blindness. Many here just refuse to place all the blame on one side. Both sides have committed wrongs in this ongoing cluster fuck. And yes you are correct that these jihadist do hide amongst the populace but that still doesn't excuse Israel helicopters firing thousands of pounds of ordinance into a packed apartment building. It is a bloody cycle and until one side decides to break it, it will never end.

There are other ways to end the violence and more violence will never be the solution.

I never stated that all Israelis are good, decent, and innocent. Of course, both sides have done wrong. In my opinion, and I've stated why many times here, peace can only be achieved when/if radical muslims accept that Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist. Until that happens, which won't be in my lifetime, progress will never occur.

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

I never stated that all Israelis are good, decent, and innocent. Of course, both sides have done wrong. In my opinion, and I've stated why many times here, peace can only be achieved when/if radical muslims accept that Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist. Until that happens, which won't be in my lifetime, progress will never occur.

No one should have to accept that the Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist beyond its own borders. That's the problem that the pro-Israel side refuses to acknowledge.

mammasan

swallowedwords wrote:

I never stated that all Israelis are good, decent, and innocent. Of course, both sides have done wrong. In my opinion, and I've stated why many times here, peace can only be achieved when/if radical muslims accept that Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist. Until that happens, which won't be in my lifetime, progress will never occur.

I think Rhinocerous Suprise already stated it best. Israel does have the right to exist, but so does a Palestinian state without undo Israeli interference.

swallowedwords

mammasan wrote:

I think Rhinocerous Suprise already stated it best. Israel does have the right to exist, but so does a Palestinian state without undo Israeli interference.

Has their ever been a Palestinian State?

fuck

Accepting that Israel exists and accepting that Israel HAS THE RIGHT TO exist are 2 different things.

If you think Palestinians can go ahead and say that Israel has the right to exist while they are illegally occupying their land, committing many human rights violations, while killing tons of innocent civilians, then you must be insane because you're right, that'll never happen.

Before Palestine says Israel has the right to exist, Israel must stop their illegal settlements, and stop killing innocent civilians. Gaza is described as the world's largest prison now since... what was it, 80%? maybe more? of it's 1.5 million civilians are living under the poverty line of $2 a day thanks to Israel and the West.

you base all your "facts" on "common sense," which is the biggest load of bullshit. if you were ever in a jury and convicted someone based on "common sense" rather than actual facts, then I'd pray the judge would realize what a naive, ignorant person he has in the jury before sending someone off to jail....

RolandTD20Kdrummer

swallowedwords wrote:

Has their ever been a Palestinian State?

Maybe someone should give them a few billion to "make one" it could be a "historic ideal" just like it was for Israel. Follow Israel's lead. You want them to more like Israel right? Let's repeat the same actions and see how perfect the Israeli plan really was/is.

2008...The Nakba reloaded.

mammasan

swallowedwords wrote:

Has their ever been a Palestinian State?

Well before it was called Israel it was called Palestine.

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

Has their ever been a Palestinian State?

Answer:

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I hear the pro Israeli plight to a certain point...but then I can't get this image out of my head enough to fully believe it at face value.

http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au/images/Palestine%20Map%20Big.jpg

sow...reap...it all connects...

NMyTree

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I hear the pro Israeli plight to a certain point...but then I can't get this image out of my head enough to fully believe it at face value.

http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au/images/Palestine%20Map%20Big.jpg

sow...reap...it all connects...

There you go again trying to inject cold-hard facts into the discussion.

For shame.....for shame.

canadajammer

http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au...0Map%20Big.jpg


- This Map is just not historically accurate. And is presented in a horribly biased manner. Please check other sources besides 'friendsofpalestine.org'
- The UN partition plan was rejected by the Palestinians, accepted by Israel. 1948 Israel declared independence, then were immediately attacked.

- While I do support the formation of a Palestinian state, there has never existed one up to this point.

- The area Palestine (before 1948) was controlled by Britain and approx 90 percent of this area was what is now known as Jordan, known as transjordan at the time. This huge 'transjordan' area was given to the future Jordanian King, and Jordan was born. The people living in this area were just as 'Palestinian' as the people living East of the Jordan river.

- The point is that the majority of what was known as Palestine, was given to arabs. The remaining smaller portion was then split up between jews and arabs. This partition plan was rejected as we all know, and war ensued later.



I beleive the West Bank and the Gaza strip should be under independent Palestinian control. I do believe in Peace. I believe it can happen. However, radical Islamic leadership (Hamas) must be removed and there must be complete acceptance of Israel right to exist. Israel should increase aid (healthcare, clean water etc) to the Palestinian territories. I am saying this because it doesnt seems as if their Arab neighbours are planning on helping the Palestinians.

I wish the Palestinian people received the same support from outside sources as the Jews did from the US and fellow Jews. However, the Jewish people have worked EXTREMELY hard in growing and developing their country, as well as surviving numerous wars.

Don't be Pro-Palestine or Pro-Israel, be Pro-Peace.
If you have to blame any one group however, blame the either radical or corrupt palestinian governments/leaderships/authorities. These groups have hurt their own people far more than the Israelis ever have.