What's the fucking deal with Palestinians?

Collin

swallowedwords wrote:

I strongly disagree with you here. Everywhere there are Muslims in the world, there is trouble/conflict. Many people actually think "Islam" means "peace," but it happens to mean "submission".

I would hope that one day all Muslim countries resemble Turkey, then progress will be made.

Everywhere there are people in the world, there is trouble/conflict.

swallowedwords

Byrnzie wrote:

I'm afraid you're wrong...again.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/int_law.html
International Law, Israel, and Palestine

Excerpted from “The International Laws of Belligerent Occupation”
by Professor of International Law Francis Boyle

'Belligerent occupation is governed by The Hague Regulations of 1907, as well as by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the customary laws of belligerent occupation. Security Council Resolution 1322 (2000), paragraph 3 continued: “Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in a Time of War of 12 August 1949;...” Again, the Security Council vote was 14 to 0, becoming obligatory international law.

The Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the West Bank, to the Gaza Strip, and to the entire City of Jerusalem, in order to protect the Palestinians living there. The Palestinian People living in this Palestinian Land are “protected persons” within the meaning of the Fourth Geneva Convention. All of their rights are sacred under international law.

There are 149 substantive articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that protect the rights of every one of these Palestinians living in occupied Palestine. The Israeli Government is currently violating, and has since 1967 been violating, almost each and every one of these sacred rights of the Palestinian People recognized by the Fourth Geneva Convention. Indeed, violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention are war crimes.

So this is not a symmetrical situation. As matters of fact and of law, the gross and repeated violations of Palestinian rights by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers living illegally in occupied Palestine constitute war crimes. Conversely, the Palestinian People are defending themselves and their Land and their Homes against Israeli war crimes and Israeli war criminals, both military and civilian.'

That's all well and good, but Israel has the right to defend itself from those hostile to it, so as a result of winning the 6 day war, they certainly have the right to do what it takes to defend itself. Occupying certain areas are defensive in nature.

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

That's all well and good, but Israel has the right to defend itself from those hostile to it, so as a result of winning the 6 day war, they certainly have the right to do what it takes to defend itself. Occupying certain areas are defensive in nature.

Occupying other countries is illegal in nature.

swallowedwords

Byrnzie wrote:

So you believe that Palestinian resistance to the illegal occupation boils down to envy? Palestinians are envious of Israel's wealth? This is plainly ridiculous, but typical of many American's view of the world. Many Americans believe that 9/11 occurred because 'Arabs' are envious of America. This type of thinking belongs in the heads of 4 year olds.

And as for your assumption - which has no relation to the facts, and which can't be supported by any evidence - that the Palestinians struggle is '..more about eliminating all Non-Muslims..' can you please explain how this differs from the often stated goals of the Zionists?

I do think envy is a motivating factor. While, there are some oil rich Arab/Muslim states, the majority of Muslims in the Middle East & Asia are very poor. Many Muslims hear stories about the days when Islam was at the center of intellectual progress. So, who's to blame for the current state of things....it must be the Jews, the Christians, or any Non-Muslim. Muslims need to look within themselves if they really want to find out why they have fallen behind the West.

Regarding 9/11, I'm certainly not one who thinks it happened because of envy, although I'm sure it played a small part. If you believe what the Jihadis say, 9/11 happened as a result of American soldiers being on Saudi land, the support we give Israel, and our propping up of various dictators, etc. At the root of all of this, is the radical Islamic philosophy of converting or killing any Non-Muslim. The ultimate goal is to make the entire World into a Sharia State.

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

I do think envy is a motivating factor. While, there are some oil rich Arab/Muslim states, the majority of Muslims in the Middle East & Asia are very poor. Many Muslims hear stories about the days when Islam was at the center of intellectual progress. So, who's to blame for the current state of things....it must be the Jews, the Christians, or any Non-Muslim. Muslims need to look within themselves if they really want to find out why they have fallen behind the West.

Regarding 9/11, I'm certainly not one who thinks it happened because of envy, although I'm sure it played a small part. If you believe what the Jihadis say, 9/11 happened as a result of American soldiers being on Saudi land, the support we give Israel, and our propping up of various dictators, etc. At the root of all of this, is the radical Islamic philosophy of converting or killing any Non-Muslim. The ultimate goal is to make the entire World into a Sharia State.

Do you... do you even realise what you type sometimes?

swallowedwords

Byrnzie wrote:

So you believe that Palestinian resistance to the illegal occupation boils down to envy? Palestinians are envious of Israel's wealth? This is plainly ridiculous, but typical of many American's view of the world. Many Americans believe that 9/11 occurred because 'Arabs' are envious of America. This type of thinking belongs in the heads of 4 year olds.

And as for your assumption - which has no relation to the facts, and which can't be supported by any evidence - that the Palestinians struggle is '..more about eliminating all Non-Muslims..' can you please explain how this differs from the often stated goals of the Zionists?

Are you Chinese, or do you just live/work in China? If you are Chinese, it seems quite comical for you to criticize America and talk about those who violate the rights of others.

swallowedwords

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Do you... do you even realise what you type sometimes?

Absolutely. How about you? I know it must get frustrating being wrong so often, but hang in there. In time, you will learn.

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

Absolutely. How about you? I know it must get frustrating being wrong so often, but hang in there. In time, you will learn.

Riiight. Okay, so you're just deluded. I can live with that.

Open

swallowedwords wrote:

Absolutely. How about you? I know it must get frustrating being wrong so often, but hang in there. In time, you will learn.

Your like GW the more you talk the more you hurt your cause.

swallowedwords

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Riiight. Okay, so you're just deluded. I can live with that.

There is one positive thing about you...

Being a Pearl Jam fan. I just hope your favorite song isn't Evenflow.

spiral out

swallowedwords wrote:

I do think envy is a motivating factor. While, there are some oil rich Arab/Muslim states, the majority of Muslims in the Middle East & Asia are very poor. Many Muslims hear stories about the days when Islam was at the center of intellectual progress. So, who's to blame for the current state of things....it must be the Jews, the Christians, or any Non-Muslim. Muslims need to look within themselves if they really want to find out why they have fallen behind the West.

Regarding 9/11, I'm certainly not one who thinks it happened because of envy, although I'm sure it played a small part. If you believe what the Jihadis say, 9/11 happened as a result of American soldiers being on Saudi land, the support we give Israel, and our propping up of various dictators, etc. At the root of all of this, is the radical Islamic philosophy of converting or killing any Non-Muslim. The ultimate goal is to make the entire World into a Sharia State.

Where do you get your information? it is so skewed it's untrue.

Heineken Helen

swallowedwords wrote:

I strongly disagree with you here. Everywhere there are Muslims in the world, there is trouble/conflict. Many people actually think "Islam" means "peace," but it happens to mean "submission".

I would hope that one day all Muslim countries resemble Turkey, then progress will be made.

Huh? But Turkey's full of Muslims... what makes THEM ok and the others not?

By the way, there are plenty of Muslims in Ireland... never cause a bit of trouble... yet the only conflict we've known was catholic V protestant... the only conflict most of Europe has known was christian V jew. So maybe you could change what you just said to 'everywhere there is religion in the world, there is trouble/conflict'

swallowedwords

Open wrote:

Your like GW the more you talk the more you hurt your cause.

George Washington?

swallowedwords

spiral out wrote:

Where do you get your information? it is so skewed it's untrue.

Please tell me what specifically is "untrue"?

I get my information from a variety of sources, but I highly suggest reading "The Two Faces of Islam," by Stephen Schwartz. Very interesting read!

Heineken Helen

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Do you... do you even realise what you type sometimes?

one of the very very few times I've laughed out loud... although it's not really very funny at all :(

Rhinocerous Surprise

Heineken Helen wrote:

one of the very very few times I've laughed out loud... although it's not really very funny at all :(

I'm honoured. But like you said, I'm not sure I was joking.

swallowedwords

Heineken Helen wrote:

Huh? But Turkey's full of Muslims... what makes THEM ok and the others not?

By the way, there are plenty of Muslims in Ireland... never cause a bit of trouble... yet the only conflict we've known was catholic V protestant... the only conflict most of Europe has known was christian V jew. So maybe you could change what you just said to 'everywhere there is religion in the world, there is trouble/conflict'

Turkey, unlike most Muslim countries, is the most democratic. Ataturk's reforms after 1923 were revolutionary after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Even before Ataturk, Turkey was known to be much more tolerant of Non-Muslims than it's Muslim neighbors. Turkey even took in Jews that were being persecuted in Spain at the time of the Inquisition.

So, Muslims haven't caused any problems in Europe? Tell that to the Spanish, the English, the Germans, the French...

swallowedwords

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I'm honoured. But like you said, I'm not sure I was joking.

Is the water/beer supply over in Ireland being drugged? LOL!

Rhinocerous Surprise

swallowedwords wrote:

Is the water/beer supply over in Ireland being drugged? LOL!

LOLZZZZZ!!!1!!1ONE!






Yes.

JordyWordy

swallowedwords wrote:

I strongly disagree with you here. Everywhere there are Muslims in the world, there is trouble/conflict. Many people actually think "Islam" means "peace," but it happens to mean "submission".

I would hope that one day all Muslim countries resemble Turkey, then progress will be made.

Turkey has BY FAR the worst human rights record in europe/eurasia. Did you know that? and not because its muslim or democratic.

why wouldnt you pick Dubai, the UAE, Morocco, Tunisia, etc.....? becuase you just dont like non-western countries?