The reason why is because the overwhelming majority of Americans condemn the KKK today, while a substantial number of Muslims (in the millions) claim that suicide bombing is a legitimate tactic. The number of KKK members compared to the number of radical Jihadists in ridiculous.
Israelis don't target innocent civilians, while Arab suicide bombers do. Big difference.
While you're trying to make the other guy wrong, it looks like you are carefully choosing your words in a way that portrays yourself and your view as "right".
One is responsible for those they kill, and justify killing, whether they are the target or not.
The difference is ideology only. Killing people is killing people.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Common sense is the source. Lord, open your eyes and ears.
If you see no wrong committed against the Palestinians....then there are no words you can use to legitimize yourself.
How's that saying go "It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic"
give a little...get a little
We all can see one side has had to already give plenty while the other has taken.
So ....do what now? keep taking?
hmm
You gonna burn up the entire middle east looking for love?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Israelis don't target innocent civilians, while Arab suicide bombers do. Big difference.
I'm not defending the suicide bombers because their actions are indefensible but to state that Israeli soldiers don't kill innocent civilians is out right false. While Israelis may not strap on an explosive vest and blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace or bus, they do how ever fire missles into apartment buildings and houses killing scores of civilians in order to take down a small handful of terrorists. These types of overkill retaliations just help the cycle of violence continue.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm not defending the suicide bombers because their actions are indefensible but to state that Israeli soldiers don't kill innocent civilians is out right false. While Israelis may not strap on an explosive vest and blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace or bus, they do how ever fire missles into apartment buildings and houses killing scores of civilians in order to take down a small handful of terrorists. These types of overkill retaliations just help the cycle of violence continue.
There will always be innocent civilians killed in wars/battle. When you have Islamic terrorists hiding amongst their civilians, the Israeli soldiers have little choice. It's far different than purposely going after innocent civilians, which is what Muslim "Shahids" do. I'm amazed so many "intelligent" people on this board are so damn blind.
There will always be innocent civilians killed in wars/battle. When you have Islamic terrorists hiding amongst their civilians, the Israeli soldiers have little choice. It's far different than purposely going after innocent civilians, which is what Muslim "Shahids" do. I'm amazed so many "intelligent" people on this board are so damn blind.
Pot/kettle.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
There will always be innocent civilians killed in wars/battle. When you have Islamic terrorists hiding amongst their civilians, the Israeli soldiers have little choice. It's far different than purposely going after innocent civilians, which is what Muslim "Shahids" do. I'm amazed so many "intelligent" people on this board are so damn blind.
It's not blindness. Many here just refuse to place all the blame on one side. Both sides have committed wrongs in this ongoing cluster fuck. And yes you are correct that these jihadist do hide amongst the populace but that still doesn't excuse Israel helicopters firing thousands of pounds of ordinance into a packed apartment building. It is a bloody cycle and until one side decides to break it, it will never end.
There are other ways to end the violence and more violence will never be the solution.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
It's not blindness. Many here just refuse to place all the blame on one side. Both sides have committed wrongs in this ongoing cluster fuck. And yes you are correct that these jihadist do hide amongst the populace but that still doesn't excuse Israel helicopters firing thousands of pounds of ordinance into a packed apartment building. It is a bloody cycle and until one side decides to break it, it will never end.
There are other ways to end the violence and more violence will never be the solution.
I never stated that all Israelis are good, decent, and innocent. Of course, both sides have done wrong. In my opinion, and I've stated why many times here, peace can only be achieved when/if radical muslims accept that Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist. Until that happens, which won't be in my lifetime, progress will never occur.
I never stated that all Israelis are good, decent, and innocent. Of course, both sides have done wrong. In my opinion, and I've stated why many times here, peace can only be achieved when/if radical muslims accept that Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist. Until that happens, which won't be in my lifetime, progress will never occur.
No one should have to accept that the Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist beyond its own borders. That's the problem that the pro-Israel side refuses to acknowledge.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I never stated that all Israelis are good, decent, and innocent. Of course, both sides have done wrong. In my opinion, and I've stated why many times here, peace can only be achieved when/if radical muslims accept that Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist. Until that happens, which won't be in my lifetime, progress will never occur.
I think Rhinocerous Suprise already stated it best. Israel does have the right to exist, but so does a Palestinian state without undo Israeli interference.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I think Rhinocerous Suprise already stated it best. Israel does have the right to exist, but so does a Palestinian state without undo Israeli interference.
Accepting that Israel exists and accepting that Israel HAS THE RIGHT TO exist are 2 different things.
If you think Palestinians can go ahead and say that Israel has the right to exist while they are illegally occupying their land, committing many human rights violations, while killing tons of innocent civilians, then you must be insane because you're right, that'll never happen.
Before Palestine says Israel has the right to exist, Israel must stop their illegal settlements, and stop killing innocent civilians. Gaza is described as the world's largest prison now since... what was it, 80%? maybe more? of it's 1.5 million civilians are living under the poverty line of $2 a day thanks to Israel and the West.
you base all your "facts" on "common sense," which is the biggest load of bullshit. if you were ever in a jury and convicted someone based on "common sense" rather than actual facts, then I'd pray the judge would realize what a naive, ignorant person he has in the jury before sending someone off to jail....
Maybe someone should give them a few billion to "make one" it could be a "historic ideal" just like it was for Israel. Follow Israel's lead. You want them to more like Israel right? Let's repeat the same actions and see how perfect the Israeli plan really was/is.
2008...The Nakba reloaded.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
- This Map is just not historically accurate. And is presented in a horribly biased manner. Please check other sources besides 'friendsofpalestine.org'
- The UN partition plan was rejected by the Palestinians, accepted by Israel. 1948 Israel declared independence, then were immediately attacked.
- While I do support the formation of a Palestinian state, there has never existed one up to this point.
- The area Palestine (before 1948) was controlled by Britain and approx 90 percent of this area was what is now known as Jordan, known as transjordan at the time. This huge 'transjordan' area was given to the future Jordanian King, and Jordan was born. The people living in this area were just as 'Palestinian' as the people living East of the Jordan river.
- The point is that the majority of what was known as Palestine, was given to arabs. The remaining smaller portion was then split up between jews and arabs. This partition plan was rejected as we all know, and war ensued later.
I beleive the West Bank and the Gaza strip should be under independent Palestinian control. I do believe in Peace. I believe it can happen. However, radical Islamic leadership (Hamas) must be removed and there must be complete acceptance of Israel right to exist. Israel should increase aid (healthcare, clean water etc) to the Palestinian territories. I am saying this because it doesnt seems as if their Arab neighbours are planning on helping the Palestinians.
I wish the Palestinian people received the same support from outside sources as the Jews did from the US and fellow Jews. However, the Jewish people have worked EXTREMELY hard in growing and developing their country, as well as surviving numerous wars.
Don't be Pro-Palestine or Pro-Israel, be Pro-Peace.
If you have to blame any one group however, blame the either radical or corrupt palestinian governments/leaderships/authorities. These groups have hurt their own people far more than the Israelis ever have.
- This Map is just not historically accurate. And is presented in a horribly biased manner. .
Are those not the ratios representing of land disposession?
Show me your "accurate" one then.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
In 1967, Israel shocked the world by surviving the war after being attacked by several surrounding countries. I say shocked the world, because they were clearly viewed as huge underdogs up to this point. They captured the Sinai region, which is bigger than Israel itself. But gave up later in entirety to Egypt for a peace treaty.
The Jews gave up a piece of land bigger than their own country in exchange for a peace document!
In 1967, Israel shocked the world by surviving the war after being attacked by several surrounding countries. I say shocked the world, because they were clearly viewed as huge underdogs up to this point. They captured the Sinai region, which is bigger than Israel itself. But gave up later in entirety to Egypt for a peace treaty.
The Jews gave up a piece of land bigger than their own country in exchange for a peace document!
Like this right?
" By secret agreement, France and England share the remnants of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Syria and Lebanon become French Protectorates, England gets a mandate over Palestine, Transjordan, and Iraq. This Mandate preempts self government by the Palestinians.
The British favor a Jewish homeland in Palestine (Balfour Declaration) and Jewish immigration increases, so to does the confiscation by Jewish settlers of Palestinian land, alarming the Palestine Arab population -who had been promised by the British an independant Arab state at the end of WW1.
1937, Peel Commission finds the British promises to both Arabs and Jews irreconcilable, declare it's Mandate unworkable, and recommend partition of Palestine into Arab, Jewish and British sectors.
Riots erupt and terror attacks increase from both sides.
The British, after securing their oil interests in Iraq, and the Suez Canal in Egypt, drop the Palestine issue like a hot potato."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The reason why is because the overwhelming majority of Americans condemn the KKK today, while a substantial number of Muslims (in the millions) claim that suicide bombing is a legitimate tactic.
Common sense is the source. Lord, open your eyes and ears.
This doesnt make a single bit of sense.
How can you say that your view of common sense is the basis for generalizing what millions of muslims views of suicide bombings are? .........that's not common sense at all - its just your opinion!!!
?????? (where can one find the stats for support of suicide bombing?)
Retaliation is a bitch, isn't it? Again, all of this would end if the Arabs truly wanted peace with Israel. Like I said before, unfortunately, many won't rest until every Jew is pushed into the sea. There was a great chance to attain a peaceful settlement in the late 90s, but good old Yasser Arafat wasn't interested in peace.
retaliation is a bitch? what did all those women and children and other civillians do? happen to occupy a home israel wants to build some new illegal settlements on?
yeah, i'm sure the majority won't rest until yadda yadda yadda...and you think sharon and others on the israeli side wanted peace?? arafat was a dick, so was sharon....and???
i'm sure far more would be happier living in peaceful coexistance, equal coexistance than driving them into the sea, maybe they just would like to be able to go to the sea themselves again (w/o being shelled)?
and according to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs site i posted it didn't seem like that many palestinians were too occupied in 'driving them into the....yawn
you can't keep pushing the poorer brown kid down, stealing his lunch money, beating him up, pushing him around...then cry like a poor victim when he punches you back. i'm not condoning suicide or any other type of attack from either side, but honestly, how can israel act so surprised??? how can they say 'see, this is why i have to keep fucking him up and pushing his face into the dirt w/ the heel of my boot'
i noticed you have ron paul in your sig, what's his stance on this situation, again?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
The sad thing is, the lives of many Arabs in occupied territories would be greatly improved if their so-called leaders wanted a true and lasting peace with their Jewish neighbors. Again, when Muslim children are taught from infancy to despise Jews/Christians, there's not much chance for peace in the future.
I do see radical Islam as the problem.
some israelis do that, too
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Maybe, one day all Arabs/Muslims will recognize Israel's right to exist.
The above comment is utterly meaningless.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/rte.html
'In order to earn its own recognition, Israel would have to simultaneously recognize the state of Palestine. This it steadfastly refuses to do (and for some reason, there are no high-minded newspaper editorials demanding that it do so).
Second, which Israel, precisely, are the Palestinians being asked to "recognize?" Israel has stubbornly refused to declare its own borders. So, territorially speaking, "Israel" is an open-ended concept. Are the Palestinians to recognize the Israel that ends at the lines proposed by the 1947 U.N. Partition Plan? Or the one that extends to the 1949 Armistice Line (the de facto border that resulted from the 1948 war)? Or does Israel include the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which it has occupied in violation of international law for 40 years – and which maps in its school textbooks show as part of "Israel"?
For that matter, why should the Palestinians recognize an Israel that refuses to accept international law, submit to U.N. resolutions or readmit the Palestinians wrongfully expelled from their homes in 1948 and barred from returning ever since?
If none of these questions are easy to answer, why are such demands being made of the Palestinians? And why is nothing demanded of Israel in turn?
Israel wants the Palestinians, half of whom were driven from their homeland so that a Jewish state could be created in 1948, to recognize not merely that it exists (which is undeniable) but that it is "right" that it exists – that it was right for them to have been dispossessed of their homes, their property and their livelihoods so that a Jewish state could be created on their land. The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.'
i don't think either side is a victim, b/c a victim implies no guilt. don't say what my post implies. My post says both sides are at fault and both sides have fanatics...one is not more right or wrong based on body counts.
I agree... whatever about what happened in the past or why the situation is the way it is... it's only now and the future that matters... and I love most of you but those posts referring to which side had the most kids killed piss me off :(
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Source....let me guess the Israeli goverment?
Common sense is the source. Lord, open your eyes and ears.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
One is responsible for those they kill, and justify killing, whether they are the target or not.
The difference is ideology only. Killing people is killing people.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
If you see no wrong committed against the Palestinians....then there are no words you can use to legitimize yourself.
How's that saying go "It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic"
give a little...get a little
We all can see one side has had to already give plenty while the other has taken.
So ....do what now? keep taking?
hmm
You gonna burn up the entire middle east looking for love?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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I'm not defending the suicide bombers because their actions are indefensible but to state that Israeli soldiers don't kill innocent civilians is out right false. While Israelis may not strap on an explosive vest and blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace or bus, they do how ever fire missles into apartment buildings and houses killing scores of civilians in order to take down a small handful of terrorists. These types of overkill retaliations just help the cycle of violence continue.
There will always be innocent civilians killed in wars/battle. When you have Islamic terrorists hiding amongst their civilians, the Israeli soldiers have little choice. It's far different than purposely going after innocent civilians, which is what Muslim "Shahids" do. I'm amazed so many "intelligent" people on this board are so damn blind.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Pot/kettle.
Oh, you know I'm right. You're just afraid to admit it. C'mon, swallow your pride and come to the right side.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au/images/Palestine%20Map%20Big.jpg
sow...reap...it all connects...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's not blindness. Many here just refuse to place all the blame on one side. Both sides have committed wrongs in this ongoing cluster fuck. And yes you are correct that these jihadist do hide amongst the populace but that still doesn't excuse Israel helicopters firing thousands of pounds of ordinance into a packed apartment building. It is a bloody cycle and until one side decides to break it, it will never end.
There are other ways to end the violence and more violence will never be the solution.
I never stated that all Israelis are good, decent, and innocent. Of course, both sides have done wrong. In my opinion, and I've stated why many times here, peace can only be achieved when/if radical muslims accept that Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist. Until that happens, which won't be in my lifetime, progress will never occur.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
No one should have to accept that the Israel/Jewish state has a right to exist beyond its own borders. That's the problem that the pro-Israel side refuses to acknowledge.
I think Rhinocerous Suprise already stated it best. Israel does have the right to exist, but so does a Palestinian state without undo Israeli interference.
Has their ever been a Palestinian State?
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
If you think Palestinians can go ahead and say that Israel has the right to exist while they are illegally occupying their land, committing many human rights violations, while killing tons of innocent civilians, then you must be insane because you're right, that'll never happen.
Before Palestine says Israel has the right to exist, Israel must stop their illegal settlements, and stop killing innocent civilians. Gaza is described as the world's largest prison now since... what was it, 80%? maybe more? of it's 1.5 million civilians are living under the poverty line of $2 a day thanks to Israel and the West.
you base all your "facts" on "common sense," which is the biggest load of bullshit. if you were ever in a jury and convicted someone based on "common sense" rather than actual facts, then I'd pray the judge would realize what a naive, ignorant person he has in the jury before sending someone off to jail....
Maybe someone should give them a few billion to "make one" it could be a "historic ideal" just like it was for Israel. Follow Israel's lead. You want them to more like Israel right? Let's repeat the same actions and see how perfect the Israeli plan really was/is.
2008...The Nakba reloaded.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
Well before it was called Israel it was called Palestine.
Answer:
There you go again trying to inject cold-hard facts into the discussion.
For shame.....for shame.
- This Map is just not historically accurate. And is presented in a horribly biased manner. Please check other sources besides 'friendsofpalestine.org'
- The UN partition plan was rejected by the Palestinians, accepted by Israel. 1948 Israel declared independence, then were immediately attacked.
- While I do support the formation of a Palestinian state, there has never existed one up to this point.
- The area Palestine (before 1948) was controlled by Britain and approx 90 percent of this area was what is now known as Jordan, known as transjordan at the time. This huge 'transjordan' area was given to the future Jordanian King, and Jordan was born. The people living in this area were just as 'Palestinian' as the people living East of the Jordan river.
- The point is that the majority of what was known as Palestine, was given to arabs. The remaining smaller portion was then split up between jews and arabs. This partition plan was rejected as we all know, and war ensued later.
I beleive the West Bank and the Gaza strip should be under independent Palestinian control. I do believe in Peace. I believe it can happen. However, radical Islamic leadership (Hamas) must be removed and there must be complete acceptance of Israel right to exist. Israel should increase aid (healthcare, clean water etc) to the Palestinian territories. I am saying this because it doesnt seems as if their Arab neighbours are planning on helping the Palestinians.
I wish the Palestinian people received the same support from outside sources as the Jews did from the US and fellow Jews. However, the Jewish people have worked EXTREMELY hard in growing and developing their country, as well as surviving numerous wars.
Don't be Pro-Palestine or Pro-Israel, be Pro-Peace.
If you have to blame any one group however, blame the either radical or corrupt palestinian governments/leaderships/authorities. These groups have hurt their own people far more than the Israelis ever have.
Are those not the ratios representing of land disposession?
Show me your "accurate" one then.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
Here is 'Palestine' in 1920 under British control
http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/C6D2A0E5-2125-4853-AD27-8E647CC9600A/0/MFAG007q0.gif
Here is the British control in 1923
http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/6A48E06E-3243E-4CEA-8EAF-C286613DECA3/0/MFAG007r0.gif
Here is the UN partition plan in 1947
http://www.damascus-online.com/history/Maps/partition.gif
While the Jews were given roughly 2/3rds of the coast, the vast majority of land is in the southern desert half of the country: Negev.
This plan was accepted by the Jews, and rejected by the arabs/palestinians.
http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au/images/Palestine%20Map%20Big.jpg
This map does not mention how big the British mandate was, and how most of it was given to arabs which became Jordan.
In 1967, Israel shocked the world by surviving the war after being attacked by several surrounding countries. I say shocked the world, because they were clearly viewed as huge underdogs up to this point. They captured the Sinai region, which is bigger than Israel itself. But gave up later in entirety to Egypt for a peace treaty.
The Jews gave up a piece of land bigger than their own country in exchange for a peace document!
When a person is biased like yourself the "common" comes out of common sense. It just leave the distorted view of reality that you would call "sense"
Like this right?
" By secret agreement, France and England share the remnants of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Syria and Lebanon become French Protectorates, England gets a mandate over Palestine, Transjordan, and Iraq. This Mandate preempts self government by the Palestinians.
The British favor a Jewish homeland in Palestine (Balfour Declaration) and Jewish immigration increases, so to does the confiscation by Jewish settlers of Palestinian land, alarming the Palestine Arab population -who had been promised by the British an independant Arab state at the end of WW1.
1937, Peel Commission finds the British promises to both Arabs and Jews irreconcilable, declare it's Mandate unworkable, and recommend partition of Palestine into Arab, Jewish and British sectors.
Riots erupt and terror attacks increase from both sides.
The British, after securing their oil interests in Iraq, and the Suez Canal in Egypt, drop the Palestine issue like a hot potato."
http://unimaps.com/historic-israel-palestine/index.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
This doesnt make a single bit of sense.
How can you say that your view of common sense is the basis for generalizing what millions of muslims views of suicide bombings are? .........that's not common sense at all - its just your opinion!!!
?????? (where can one find the stats for support of suicide bombing?)
also, the KKK had millions of supporters not so long ago, that was probably inherent in the analogy
that would suggest Palestine was a state, not autonomous but a state nonetheless?
retaliation is a bitch? what did all those women and children and other civillians do? happen to occupy a home israel wants to build some new illegal settlements on?
yeah, i'm sure the majority won't rest until yadda yadda yadda...and you think sharon and others on the israeli side wanted peace?? arafat was a dick, so was sharon....and???
i'm sure far more would be happier living in peaceful coexistance, equal coexistance than driving them into the sea, maybe they just would like to be able to go to the sea themselves again (w/o being shelled)?
and according to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs site i posted it didn't seem like that many palestinians were too occupied in 'driving them into the....yawn
you can't keep pushing the poorer brown kid down, stealing his lunch money, beating him up, pushing him around...then cry like a poor victim when he punches you back. i'm not condoning suicide or any other type of attack from either side, but honestly, how can israel act so surprised??? how can they say 'see, this is why i have to keep fucking him up and pushing his face into the dirt w/ the heel of my boot'
i noticed you have ron paul in your sig, what's his stance on this situation, again?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
some israelis do that, too
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
The above comment is utterly meaningless.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/rte.html
'In order to earn its own recognition, Israel would have to simultaneously recognize the state of Palestine. This it steadfastly refuses to do (and for some reason, there are no high-minded newspaper editorials demanding that it do so).
Second, which Israel, precisely, are the Palestinians being asked to "recognize?" Israel has stubbornly refused to declare its own borders. So, territorially speaking, "Israel" is an open-ended concept. Are the Palestinians to recognize the Israel that ends at the lines proposed by the 1947 U.N. Partition Plan? Or the one that extends to the 1949 Armistice Line (the de facto border that resulted from the 1948 war)? Or does Israel include the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which it has occupied in violation of international law for 40 years – and which maps in its school textbooks show as part of "Israel"?
For that matter, why should the Palestinians recognize an Israel that refuses to accept international law, submit to U.N. resolutions or readmit the Palestinians wrongfully expelled from their homes in 1948 and barred from returning ever since?
If none of these questions are easy to answer, why are such demands being made of the Palestinians? And why is nothing demanded of Israel in turn?
Israel wants the Palestinians, half of whom were driven from their homeland so that a Jewish state could be created in 1948, to recognize not merely that it exists (which is undeniable) but that it is "right" that it exists – that it was right for them to have been dispossessed of their homes, their property and their livelihoods so that a Jewish state could be created on their land. The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.'
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you