As I mentioned previously, my mother is from Ireland and Catholic, so I definitely have an interest in this topic. I think it was perfectly justifiable for Irish Catholics to fight against English occupation, but I denounce the terror that the IRA took part in. Part of my mother's family was beaten and killed by the Black and Tans, yet my mom has always denounced the IRA's tactics as counter-productive and cruel.
So can you see how, when you look past the suicide bombings, there's a genuine fight for freedom going on?
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Why do you automatically assume it's down to radical Islam? If you lived in a country occupied by a government and military who refuse to acknowledge your basic human rights, you'd probably be driven to drastic measures yourself. Entirely separate from any sort of religious conflict, desperation can make a man do horrible things.
So the smart thing to do would be to see what makes those men desperate, and solve that.
why do you automatically assume it's NOT down to radical islam? What if it's radical islam and the religious promises etc... that make men that desperate?
Clearly, this is not a single issue or a single side conflict. Both sides have to want to get along and both sides have to make concessions. We can post facts and figures about how one side is blowing up the other side and we can make either side the victim, as this thread has demonstrated, but the bottom line is both sides have to want peace and both sides have to control the extremists in their camps if peace is to ever come about.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
So can you see how, when you look past the suicide bombings, there's a genuine fight for freedom going on?
Hmmm, not really. I think it's more about eliminating all Non-Muslims, instead of a fight for freedom. I also think it has a lot to do with envy. Jews have built Israel into a modern, functioning society. I believe many Islamist radicals use religion as an excuse to murder innocents, while the deeper problem could be the envy and resentment of those who are doing better than you.
why do you automatically assume it's NOT down to radical islam? What if it's radical islam and the religious promises etc... that make men that desperate?
Clearly, this is not a single issue or a single side conflict. Both sides have to want to get along and both sides have to make concessions. We can post facts and figures about how one side is blowing up the other side and we can make either side the victim, as this thread has demonstrated, but the bottom line is both sides have to want peace and both sides have to control the extremists in their camps if peace is to ever come about.
swallowed - You start by treating both sides the same. "If you hate something, dont you do it too"
chopitdown - It's not just radical islam, for extremisim to thrive there has to be desperation and injustice. That's why the war in Iraq was so idiotic.
Hmmm, not really. I think it's more about eliminating all Non-Muslims, instead of a fight for freedom. I also think it has a lot to do with envy. Jews have built Israel into a modern, functioning society. I believe many Islamist radicals use religion as an excuse to murder innocents, while the deeper problem could be the envy and resentment of those who are doing better than you.
Jews havent dont that, the west has and have you heard of Dubai?
swallowed - You start by treating both sides the same. "If you hate something, dont you do it too"
chopitdown - It's not just radical islam, for extremisim to thrive there has to be desperation and injustice. That's why the war in Iraq was so idiotic.
hence...Clearly, this is not a single issue or a single side conflict. Both sides have to want to get along and both sides have to make concessions. [from the post I made]
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
why do you automatically assume it's NOT down to radical islam? What if it's radical islam and the religious promises etc... that make men that desperate?
Clearly, this is not a single issue or a single side conflict. Both sides have to want to get along and both sides have to make concessions. We can post facts and figures about how one side is blowing up the other side and we can make either side the victim, as this thread has demonstrated, but the bottom line is both sides have to want peace and both sides have to control the extremists in their camps if peace is to ever come about.
i hate posts like these... it's as if the palestinians are doing just as much destruction as the israeli's are... when clearly that is not the case. you can't make a single post that will make israel seem more of a victim than palestine because it isn't.
Hmmm, not really. I think it's more about eliminating all Non-Muslims, instead of a fight for freedom. I also think it has a lot to do with envy. Jews have built Israel into a modern, functioning society. I believe many Islamist radicals use religion as an excuse to murder innocents, while the deeper problem could be the envy and resentment of those who are doing better than you.
that's ridiculous. it's not about eliminating non-muslims... do you think it's just a coincidence that muslims began retaliating at the same time israel declared its independence? your points just make no sense at all.
also, it has nothing to do with envy. now you are just making retarded assumptions based on your own bullshit. in SEVERAL arab countries, there are modern, functioning societies and westernized cities. in fact, I just got back from a trip to Dubai... ever heard of it?
the only reason israel is "doing better" than arabs militarily or anything is because of all the aid given by the US... and that is why many arabs feel resentment towards the US, because of it's one-sided support of israel that has allowed israel to break all these laws...
edit: lol, looks like you did hear of dubai. and for your information, many countries already HAVE taken palestinian REFUGEES in, after they were kicked out of palestine by the israelis...
"I'm pretty sure the holocaust was not supposed to be a "pay it forward" situation."
Like to hear some logic address this.
anyone?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
that's ridiculous. it's not about eliminating non-muslims... do you think it's just a coincidence that muslims began retaliating at the same time israel declared its independence? your points just make no sense at all.
also, it has nothing to do with envy. now you are just making retarded assumptions based on your own bullshit. in SEVERAL arab countries, there are modern, functioning societies and westernized cities. in fact, I just got back from a trip to Dubai... ever heard of it?
the only reason israel is "doing better" than arabs militarily or anything is because of all the aid given by the US... and that is why many arabs feel resentment towards the US, because of it's one-sided support of israel that has allowed israel to break all these laws...
edit: lol, looks like you did hear of dubai. and for your information, many countries already HAVE taken palestinian REFUGEES in, after they were kicked out of palestine by the israelis...
It would be nice if the wealthy Arabs countries took in all the poor Palestinians. The Arabs sure have plenty of land over there. Israel may be about the size of NJ. Let's face it, if the Jews gave back all the land they rightfully occupied after the 1967 war, Arab Muslims would still be doing everything in their power to wipe every Jew out of Israel.
Perhaps, the UAE could bring all those poor Palestinians down and take care of them. They sure can afford it.
Maybe we'll just give them a new country where New Mexico used to be and arm them to the teeth and expect the people of New Mexico to watch as their homes get bulldozed. You probably would like that better.
It would be nice if the wealthy Arabs countries took in all the poor Palestinians. The Arabs sure have plenty of land over there. Israel may be about the size of NJ. Let's face it, if the Jews gave back all the land they rightfully occupied after the 1967 war, Arab Muslims would still be doing everything in their power to wipe every Jew out of Israel.
HAHA! now you can actually "rightfully occupy" land??? now I've heard it all!
Maybe we'll just give them a new country where New Mexico used to be and arm them to the teeth and expect the people of New Mexico to watch as their homes get bulldozed. You probably would like that better.
and for your information, Hamas, your "terrorist organization", actually said they'd start having peace negotiations if Israel went back to the 1967 borders.
HAHA! now you can actually "rightfully occupy" land??? now I've heard it all!
Yes, they won the 1967 war, and as a result, the winner gets to make the rules. Maybe, the Arab countries shouldn't have initiated that war. Yes, the Jews struck first, but only after all signals pointed to a massive Arab invasion on all borders.
and for your information, Hamas, your "terrorist organization", actually said they'd start having peace negotiations if Israel went back to the 1967 borders.
The sad thing is, the lives of many Arabs in occupied territories would be greatly improved if their so-called leaders wanted a true and lasting peace with their Jewish neighbors.
"neighbors" assumes that they have a home, which is contradicted in your very same sentence by the word "occupied territories"
Just saying.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
Interesting and again I'm gonna use the word irony in regards to this thread. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume this is retaliation to my thread? Well you made one big mistake... in the title. You show how you actually have a problem with the people. If you hadda entitled it 'what's the fucking deal with Palestine' rather than putting down the PEOPLE... you might have seemed a little less ignorant too late though, eh? You speak of the people... I spoke of governments and how the US supports Israel like it's part of their own country... and that was what I wanted to understand.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You honestly believe what the Israeli govt tells you as well? LOL! Too funny!
revolving doors...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Interesting and again I'm gonna use the word irony in regards to this thread. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume this is retaliation to my thread? Well you made one big mistake... in the title. You show how you actually have a problem with the people. If you hadda entitled it 'what's the fucking deal with Palestine' rather than putting down the PEOPLE... you might have seemed a little less ignorant too late though, eh?
I do have a problem with the people, which hardly makes me ignorant. It just makes me perceptive.
You honestly believe what your govt tells you as well? LOL! Too funny!
When did I say I put all my faith and belief in my government? You got the wrong guy. I happen to think our current government is incompetent and corrupt.
Revision: You changed "govt" to Israeli government. No, I don't base my opinions on my government or the Israeli government.
The sad thing is, the lives of many Arabs in occupied territories would be greatly improved if their so-called leaders wanted a true and lasting peace with their Jewish neighbors. Again, when Muslim children are taught from infancy to despise Jews/Christians, there's not much chance for peace in the future.
I do see radical Islam as the problem.
Every single post of yours has put down the Palestinian people . You don't see me coming out with statements like 'all Jews hate Arabs and want them dead' cos I know that's not true.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
HAHA! now you can actually "rightfully occupy" land??? now I've heard it all!
It's an elitist concept..
Elitist being the kind word for the other word that starts with an R
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
When did I say I put all my faith and belief in my government? You got the wrong guy. I happen to think our current government is incompetent and corrupt.
Revision: You changed "govt" to Israeli government. No, I don't base my opinions on my government or the Israeli government.
Couldn't remember where you said you lived...
So, then you're against settlement building?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Every single post of yours has put down the Palestinian people . You don't see me coming out with statements like 'all Jews hate Arabs and want them dead' cos I know that's not true.
I can't honestly say that I blame "all" Palestinians/Arabs for their plight. I do blame those who practice a radical form of Islam, though. Remove radical Islam from the equation, and you'd have peace by now, not only in Israel, but in Lebanon.
I do have a problem with the people, which hardly makes me ignorant. It just makes me perceptive.
Oh no no no, it certainly DOES make you ignorant
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I just got evicted from my house ... long story....but I got beat up physically and the #$%# landlord kicked my dog until it died while I lay there helpless in pain suffering.
I'm so pissed!!!
I'm going to go back to the house I used to live in 15 years ago, shoot their kid in the head and start living there.
....and they better not get upset about it....or I 'll f-ing kill those terrorists!!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I do blame those who practice a radical form of Islam, though. Remove radical Islam from the equation, and you'd have peace by now, not only in Israel, but in Lebanon.
I would agree that radical islam is a problem and definitely something that I do not agree with. Although radicalism comes from oppression without a doubt. I do not support the IRA in any way shape or form but I can certainly empathise and understand why some of them may have thought they'd no other choice. On ALL sides, I can see how somebody might be pushed too far and feel they can ONLY resort to violence. But I certainly don't think one side is better than the other cos their side has the US and its money behind them.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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So can you see how, when you look past the suicide bombings, there's a genuine fight for freedom going on?
why do you automatically assume it's NOT down to radical islam? What if it's radical islam and the religious promises etc... that make men that desperate?
Clearly, this is not a single issue or a single side conflict. Both sides have to want to get along and both sides have to make concessions. We can post facts and figures about how one side is blowing up the other side and we can make either side the victim, as this thread has demonstrated, but the bottom line is both sides have to want peace and both sides have to control the extremists in their camps if peace is to ever come about.
Hmmm, not really. I think it's more about eliminating all Non-Muslims, instead of a fight for freedom. I also think it has a lot to do with envy. Jews have built Israel into a modern, functioning society. I believe many Islamist radicals use religion as an excuse to murder innocents, while the deeper problem could be the envy and resentment of those who are doing better than you.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
swallowed - You start by treating both sides the same. "If you hate something, dont you do it too"
chopitdown - It's not just radical islam, for extremisim to thrive there has to be desperation and injustice. That's why the war in Iraq was so idiotic.
Jews havent dont that, the west has and have you heard of Dubai?
hence...Clearly, this is not a single issue or a single side conflict. Both sides have to want to get along and both sides have to make concessions. [from the post I made]
Yes, I've heard of Dubai.
Perhaps, the UAE could bring all those poor Palestinians down and take care of them. They sure can afford it.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
also, it has nothing to do with envy. now you are just making retarded assumptions based on your own bullshit. in SEVERAL arab countries, there are modern, functioning societies and westernized cities. in fact, I just got back from a trip to Dubai... ever heard of it?
the only reason israel is "doing better" than arabs militarily or anything is because of all the aid given by the US... and that is why many arabs feel resentment towards the US, because of it's one-sided support of israel that has allowed israel to break all these laws...
edit: lol, looks like you did hear of dubai. and for your information, many countries already HAVE taken palestinian REFUGEES in, after they were kicked out of palestine by the israelis...
Like to hear some logic address this.
anyone?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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(")_(")
It would be nice if the wealthy Arabs countries took in all the poor Palestinians. The Arabs sure have plenty of land over there. Israel may be about the size of NJ. Let's face it, if the Jews gave back all the land they rightfully occupied after the 1967 war, Arab Muslims would still be doing everything in their power to wipe every Jew out of Israel.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Maybe we'll just give them a new country where New Mexico used to be and arm them to the teeth and expect the people of New Mexico to watch as their homes get bulldozed. You probably would like that better.
I'd rather give them Arkansas
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Yes, they won the 1967 war, and as a result, the winner gets to make the rules. Maybe, the Arab countries shouldn't have initiated that war. Yes, the Jews struck first, but only after all signals pointed to a massive Arab invasion on all borders.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
You honestly believe Hamas? LOL! Too funny!
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
"neighbors" assumes that they have a home, which is contradicted in your very same sentence by the word "occupied territories"
Just saying.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You honestly believe what the Israeli govt tells you as well? LOL! Too funny!
revolving doors...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I do have a problem with the people, which hardly makes me ignorant. It just makes me perceptive.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
When did I say I put all my faith and belief in my government? You got the wrong guy. I happen to think our current government is incompetent and corrupt.
Revision: You changed "govt" to Israeli government. No, I don't base my opinions on my government or the Israeli government.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
It's an elitist concept..
Elitist being the kind word for the other word that starts with an R
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Couldn't remember where you said you lived...
So, then you're against settlement building?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I can't honestly say that I blame "all" Palestinians/Arabs for their plight. I do blame those who practice a radical form of Islam, though. Remove radical Islam from the equation, and you'd have peace by now, not only in Israel, but in Lebanon.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
I live in the greatest city in the world...nyc.
I am against settlement building. It certainly doesn't help foster peace.
www.wm3.org
Ron Paul 2012
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I just got evicted from my house ... long story....but I got beat up physically and the #$%# landlord kicked my dog until it died while I lay there helpless in pain suffering.
I'm so pissed!!!
I'm going to go back to the house I used to live in 15 years ago, shoot their kid in the head and start living there.
....and they better not get upset about it....or I 'll f-ing kill those terrorists!!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Wow... that's big of ya
I would agree that radical islam is a problem and definitely something that I do not agree with. Although radicalism comes from oppression without a doubt. I do not support the IRA in any way shape or form but I can certainly empathise and understand why some of them may have thought they'd no other choice. On ALL sides, I can see how somebody might be pushed too far and feel they can ONLY resort to violence. But I certainly don't think one side is better than the other cos their side has the US and its money behind them.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you