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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,537
    smile6680 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    battle1 said:
    DE4173 said:
    "Dave didn't do anything." 😄

    "You are rallying your best out here, I have to tell you." 💀
    And thats the scum I have to shamefully say I vote with? And people wonder why normal Democrats are turning on their own party. The party is radicalized. 
    The party’s not radicalized. The right wing has run a successful campaign to tie fringe people to the left mainstream. It started with fox news and now is hammered all day every day on social media. Don’t fall for it. 
    Both parties are being heavily influenced by the radicals within them lately. This is why we are getting the gross over corrections since Trump has taken office.

    Both parties need to encourage their radicals to leave and start a new party. Unfortunately, both parties understand they will lose in the short term and politicians are too short sided to do what isn't in their immediate best interests. 



    A refreshing both sides are the same comment. Except the extreme left isn’t, and wasn’t, guiding dem policy. Biden was a centrist on most things. The far right has become the republican party. And this has been the goal for decades. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,396
    smile6680 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    battle1 said:
    DE4173 said:
    "Dave didn't do anything." 😄

    "You are rallying your best out here, I have to tell you." 💀
    And thats the scum I have to shamefully say I vote with? And people wonder why normal Democrats are turning on their own party. The party is radicalized. 
    The party’s not radicalized. The right wing has run a successful campaign to tie fringe people to the left mainstream. It started with fox news and now is hammered all day every day on social media. Don’t fall for it. 
    Both parties are being heavily influenced by the radicals within them lately. This is why we are getting the gross over corrections since Trump has taken office.

    Both parties need to encourage their radicals to leave and start a new party. Unfortunately, both parties understand they will lose in the short term and (most) politicians are only concerned about what's best for them right now. 



    I guess I'm confused what far left policies or proposals were a part of the Harris campaign?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,652
    smile6680 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    This is really fucked up! Wtf kind of deal is involved here? This feels like a government sponsored form of human trafficking to me.

    El Salvador offers to house violent US criminals and deportees of any nationality in unprecedented deal

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/americas/el-salvador-migrant-deal-marco-rubio-intl-hnk

    yeah, outside of sending El Salvadoians back, sending anyone else is super fucked. 

    Honest question. Why does it matter if they are housed in the United States or El Salvador if they aren't from either country?

    I'm neither for or against it. I havn't read about this yet. 

    I don't think the issue is where; but rather how much. El Salvador would be taking these people for a fee, which I think makes it a human trafficking issue.
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  • tbergs
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    Posted this in the DOGE thread too because it relates to wasted government spending. This whole admin is just a straight forward con. There's no attempt to hide anything because people voted for fraud and corruption as long as it's their team doing it. They seem to think shit like this doesn't impact all of us.

    Such efficiency. Using military flights for show that transport less people, cost way more and take longer because they don't have the air space clearance of a regular flight. Good god these people are stupid.

    https://youtu.be/GNObnSDwWnI?si=jLoWcBznM2X_NnSm
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  • mickeyrat
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    will put this here...



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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Hey? What’s going on with the southern border? I haven’t heard anything about it in days. Have illegal crossings completely stopped? No more caravans headed our way? No more masses of “others” just on the other side waiting to get in? Is it like the DMZ in Korea, peace and tranquility? Weird, not a recent report posted here or anywhere.
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  • mickeyrat
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    https://apnews.com/article/trump-immigration-court-judges-fired-firings-d35eed0f685739c4a19d4c8baf39113a
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  • mickeyrat
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    Two men in shackles are loaded onto a flight to Guantanamo Bay in a photo released by the Department of Homeland Security. Credit: Department of Homeland Security
    Immigration

    U.S. Claims Immigrants Held at Guantanamo Are “Worst of the Worst.” Their Families Say They’re Being Unfairly Targeted.

    ProPublica and The Texas Tribune have identified nearly a dozen immigrants who have been flown to Guantanamo Bay. Government officials have refused to release the names of detainees or provide details about the crimes that landed them in detention.

    by Perla Trevizo and Mica Rosenberg, ProPublica and The Texas Tribune Feb. 13, 2025, 1:20 p.m. CST
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    The military planes departed from Texas in quick succession, eight flights in as many days. Each one carried more than a dozen immigrants that the U.S. alleged are the “worst of the worst” kinds of criminals, including members of a violent Venezuelan street gang.

    Since Feb. 4, the Trump administration has flown about 100 immigrant detainees to the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a facility better known for having held those suspected of plotting the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Officials have widely touted the flights as a demonstration of President Donald Trump’s commitment to one of the central promises of his campaign, and they’ve distributed photos of some of the immigrants at both takeoff and landing. But they have not released the names of those they’re holding or provided details about their alleged crimes.

    In recent days, however, information about the flights and the people on them has emerged that calls the government’s narrative into question. ProPublica and The Texas Tribune have identified nearly a dozen Venezuelan immigrants who have been transferred to Guantanamo. The New York Times published a larger list with some, but not all, of the same names.

    For three of the Guantanamo detainees who had been held at an immigration detention center in El Paso, Texas, ProPublica and the Tribune obtained records about their criminal histories and spoke to their families. The three men are all Venezuelan. Each had been detained by immigration authorities soon after crossing the U.S.-Mexico border and was being held in custody, awaiting deportation. In some cases, they had been languishing for months because Venezuela, until recently, was largely not accepting deportees. According to U.S. federal court records, two of them had no crimes on their records except for illegal entry. The third had picked up an additional charge while in detention, for kicking an officer while being restrained during a riot.

    Relatives of the three men said in interviews on Tuesday that they have been left entirely in the dark about their loved ones. They all said that their relatives were not criminals, and two provided records from the Venezuelan Interior Ministry and other documents to support their statements. They said the U.S. government has given them neither information about the detainees’ whereabouts nor the ability to speak with them.

    Attorneys say they have also been denied access. The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on Wednesday, arguing that the U.S. Constitution gives the detainees rights to legal representation that shouldn’t be stripped away just because they have been moved to Guantanamo.

    “Never before have people been taken from U.S. soil and sent to Guantanamo, and then denied access to lawyers and the outside world,” said Lee Gelernt, the lead attorney in the ACLU case. “It is difficult to think of anything so flagrantly at odds with the fundamental principles on which our country was built.”


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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Hey? What’s going on with the southern border? I haven’t heard anything about it in days. Have illegal crossings completely stopped? No more caravans headed our way? No more masses of “others” just on the other side waiting to get in? Is it like the DMZ in Korea, peace and tranquility? Weird, not a recent report posted here or anywhere.
    I hope this answers your question.
    https://san.com/cc/illegal-border-crossings-drop-90-on-track-for-60-year-low-report/
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Hey? What’s going on with the southern border? I haven’t heard anything about it in days. Have illegal crossings completely stopped? No more caravans headed our way? No more masses of “others” just on the other side waiting to get in? Is it like the DMZ in Korea, peace and tranquility? Weird, not a recent report posted here or anywhere.
    I hope this answers your question.
    https://san.com/cc/illegal-border-crossings-drop-90-on-track-for-60-year-low-report/
    So, Mexico doesn’t have to pay for a wall?
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  • DE4173
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    Good lord 
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  • mickeyrat
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    Hours after telling a judge exactly how many people are being held in a U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, including immigrants with little or no criminal records, Donald Trump’s administration emptied out the entire facility https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-guantanamo-bay-prison-b2701890.html
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    A judge has ruled that Philly Quakers are among the religious groups whose houses of worship are now off-limits to ICE agents.
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  • mickeyrat
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    video....


    Now do that in America.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Those who have made it through the refugee vetting process and have now been denied U.S. entry include the children of a former U.S. military translator, the wife of a former Texas National Guard member, and the sister of two U.S. soldiers.
    https://propub.li/4hSrseZ
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    video....


    David Bier, director of immigration studies at the conservative think tank, the Cato Institute, says Donald Trump has misled Americans about his immigration policies. He’s not focusing on criminals. His policies are indiscriminate. He’s stripping American citizens and legal immigrants of their rights.
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  • mickeyrat
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    The Trump administration has suspended military deportation flights after finally realizing it was too expensive to pay $20,000 per migrant to fly them out of the country on C17 and C130 aircraft. The Wall Street Journal reported that the flights take longer, carry fewer people, and are far more expensive than flights on civilian planes.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:

    The Trump administration has suspended military deportation flights after finally realizing it was too expensive to pay $20,000 per migrant to fly them out of the country on C17 and C130 aircraft. The Wall Street Journal reported that the flights take longer, carry fewer people, and are far more expensive than flights on civilian planes.
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