Immigration

Halifax2TheMax · January 31

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

I mean - what would you do then? If you were in charge. And you identified someone in the country illegally and they had a child....what would you do?

Maybe I am misunderstanding here...

If I were in charge, I wouldn't be kicking people out if their sole offense was being undocumented.

Good to know. What other laws wouldn't you enforce?

Marijuana laws, where it's still illegal, for starters. (excluding serious offenses like OUI, etc)

Immigration needs to be fixed, I'm not refuting that, but people whose only offense is being undocumented wouldn't be kicked out. If people want to come here and work and raise their families, what's the problem? Get them on the books & paying taxes. If they don't want to do that, then sure, throw them out.

They’re already paying taxes in one form or another.

I'm well aware.

That doesn't mean the system doesn't need to be fixed.

Last year’s immigration bill was the best attempt in a very long time but you know, COOTWH. You can pretty much assume that nothing will be done for the next four years except for the current cruelty.

mickeyrat · January 31

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

so to inderstand, you're coming from they have no rights under our constitutional system that makes very few distinctions between citizens and non-citizens.

Where did I say that?

I understand that the constitution does not refer to citizens, only people in the USA. So they should have due process, which means after arrested and detained, bond hearing, legal representation, a court hearing. In most cases anyhow

right. point to where this is happening now under this administration.

mickeyrat · January 31

will look forward to confirmation of this if true.

https://www.threads.net/@auntiemameskitchen/post/DFgRPMEJBVg?xmt=AQGzkrZun2oY5dbzWnhAAXBds59Q8tBRq9UseJPHaRUckg

mickeyrat · January 31

https://www.threads.net/@propublica/post/DFf9XsKi9tp?xmt=AQGzdDtALNkrw7yFtcVNq6yHZRuiAYBiljTOMlYPktpGwA

mickeyrat · January 31

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@propublica/post/DFf9XsKi9tp?xmt=AQGzdDtALNkrw7yFtcVNq6yHZRuiAYBiljTOMlYPktpGwA

cincybearcat · February 1

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

so to inderstand, you're coming from they have no rights under our constitutional system that makes very few distinctions between citizens and non-citizens.

Where did I say that?

I understand that the constitution does not refer to citizens, only people in the USA. So they should have due process, which means after arrested and detained, bond hearing, legal representation, a court hearing. In most cases anyhow

right. point to where this is happening now under this administration.

I thought this thread was immigration …. Not trumps immigration? Huh….

I will say so many people have gotten so used to this being abused that they see enforcement as excessive.

cincybearcat · February 1

This thread should be renamed, moving the goalpost.

mickeyrat · February 1

talking about current happenings is moving the goalposts.

ok.

theres what could/should happen, like say Congress acting as a co-equal branch.

When process reaches the Judiciary , they can at times, in theory, act as a co-equal branch.

then theres the hamfisted, heavy handed shit occurring NOW, in some ways a ramping up of policies going back to Obama.

this gitmo idea is more than disturbing. leaving who to determine whats the worst criminals. actual criminals or those undocumentedwhich fall on the civil side of law?

lets do this. pause all deportations, unless and until all employers exploiting this labor pool are held criminally liable as well?

crossings dropped to pre-fuckstick levels with the new process of applying for asylum in place via the app that was created last summer . all those appointments for those folks following those new EO rules, gone.

Do you think they are just turning around and going back to whatever caused them to flee to begin with?

so who is it that moved the goalposts? folks here , largely in agreement that congress must act and perhaps have slight differences of how to achieve more common ideas surrounding this topic? or the current admin?

mickeyrat · February 1

https://www.threads.net/@elderqueer/post/DFhULqEsPzu?xmt=AQGzzLTGB9bud1O3Hb-lkcnAgDkBSIvkN_GQcYOpQudJOA

Merkin Baller · February 1

DE4173 · February 1

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mickeyrat · February 1

https://www.threads.net/@floridafoos/post/DFgIT7fPiGs?xmt=AQGzxKz-zVE_3Vp673We_d3ubUSx83y9eyfx9OkKXXCuVg

josevolution · February 1

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@floridafoos/post/DFgIT7fPiGs?xmt=AQGzxKz-zVE_3Vp673We_d3ubUSx83y9eyfx9OkKXXCuVg

You reap what you sow! Maybe he can call his neighbors to see if their teen kids want to work 😂😂 you know Johnny or Timmy or Frankie! That’s just roofing, how about all the rest of services that hard working immigrants perform everyday all through America?

mickeyrat · February 1

Due Process is a foundational principle of this nation. In fact fuckstick abused the right to escape accountability for his crimes against the country and its citizens.

Unless criminal statutes were broken i.e. burglery, theft etc. being here as an undocumented person is a civil matter.

https://www.threads.net/@seattletimes/post/DFiSp4Fpa0y?xmt=AQGzeCq_3dgqMAUH1etOZjcEudo6AQM-aO64_M3cnR1EAA

mickeyrat · February 1

will acknowledge the lack of context and its hard to hear the words in the yelling. It could be staged for all I know.

This location is nw of indy on 65

https://www.threads.net/@puppygrabber/post/DFgoxc7oQFn?xmt=AQGzrQpxjlEbxp0yZ5W60R3HNwMLm6C_ML25lypKAdztVA

mickeyrat · February 1

hmmm. this video touches on immigrant prospect in mid 1800 america. and a lot more.

https://www.threads.net/@realcarlallen/post/DFiRobmpqUw?xmt=AQGzXoYXRwX5e9FrAQY_q36O1hdze36VNnMyIsJBWyioYA

battle1 · February 1

mickeyrat said:

will acknowledge the lack of context and its hard to hear the words in the yelling. It could be staged for all I know.
This location is nw of indy on 65
https://www.threads.net/@puppygrabber/post/DFgoxc7oQFn?xmt=AQGzrQpxjlEbxp0yZ5W60R3HNwMLm6C_ML25lypKAdztVA

Sorry, mickey but there is zero evidence that this video is actually an ICE raid. Posting things like this is equally as dangerous as what you rail against daily.

battle1 · February 1

Literally posting fake videos, and its not the first time. This forum is sad.

josevolution · February 1

Been talking to immigrants that I come in contact with! Today I spoke to one individual that I buy burning wood from really great guy hard working immigrant, I asked how’s his family and situation I’ve been dealing with him for the past 4 winters he said he’s in the process of trying to get status here but now it’s been shut down. He’s anxious angry frustrated but he has no choice but to try to keep working and hope ICE doesn’t stop him, he also stated that he has no problem with deporting individuals that are committing crimes or not contributing to society in a positive manner.

I’ve also spoken to others and the recurring theme is the same why punish those who are committing no crimes and are contributing to the country! Surely we are advanced enough to have an effective efficient process for streamlining the immigrants that have good intentions to better themselves. But I don’t see how that happens with this administration

Tim Simmons · February 1

josevolution said:

Surely we are advanced enough to have an effective efficient process...

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