Immigration

tbergs

The Atlantic put out a good piece on immigration last month. Go ahead and read through it. You may disagree with some of what is presented, but the supporting information seem pretty solid. Anyway, carry on with the hypotheticals of whether illegal immigrants, and even immigrants in general, are bad for this country. Seem some of you are going to be surprised.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/10/immigration-working-class-wages/680128/

mace1229

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!

Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?

Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 

You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 

So where do you live here in NY all the jobs mentioned are done by immigrants! 

When I was in Colorado Springs it was pretty mixed, moved up to Denver/Aurora and it was mostly minorities doing those jobs. Now in east TN it's mixed. Plenty of family owned construction that's all white, and still companies that sub-contract out the work to minorities for less pay and keep the profit.
House cleaners in Colorado Springs were often white, in Denver almost always minority. The janitors at the school in the Springs were mostly white, up in Denver mostly minority. Here seem pretty mixed.

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!

Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?

Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 

You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 

So, yeah... white people can be undocumented immigrants too, there's no shortage of Irish for example that have overstayed their visas or entered illegally, but I digress. 


I also failed to mention meat packing - I don't have access to the #s, but I'm pretty sure that's another industry that relies heavily on immigrants.

IDK... if our new commander-in-chief goes through with his mass deportation plan, we'll find out pretty quickly just how much these industries rely on undocumented laborers. 

Maybe the price of eggs will come down, but I'm skeptical. 

I mentioned this a while ago in one of the threads and was called racist. But you can usually tell when someone is in immigrant or not. But it's true.  Show me an illegal Irish immigrant with a southern accent.

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!

Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?

Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 

You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 

So, yeah... white people can be undocumented immigrants too, there's no shortage of Irish for example that have overstayed their visas or entered illegally, but I digress. 


I also failed to mention meat packing - I don't have access to the #s, but I'm pretty sure that's another industry that relies heavily on immigrants.

IDK... if our new commander-in-chief goes through with his mass deportation plan, we'll find out pretty quickly just how much these industries rely on undocumented laborers. 

Maybe the price of eggs will come down, but I'm skeptical. 

I mentioned this a while ago in one of the threads and was called racist. But you can usually tell when someone is in immigrant or not. But it's true.  Show me an illegal Irish immigrant with a southern accent.

ok

Bentleyspop

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

Gern Blansten

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

yep...I mentioned somewhere earlier that I see this all the time. If the SS# is someone dead it's just going into the coffers. If it is going to someone alive then their account is getting bolstered. Most people don't check their SS activity.

If you don't have an SS account you should set one up...very informative. You can log in and see your entire earnings history.

www.ssa.gov

Merkin Baller

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

This is for illegal people being here and was focused on what the Woman for Mexico Matter s said.

My thinking was if it's ok for us and it gets our economy going then why wouldn't it jumpstart theirs?  Just seems logical then...  There would be more influx of people so more jobs would be created, no?

What am I missing?

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

This is for illegal people being here and was focused on what the Woman for Mexico Matter s said.

My thinking was if it's ok for us and it gets our economy going then why wouldn't it jumpstart theirs?  Just seems logical then...  There would be more influx of people so more jobs would be created, no?

What am I missing?

no...we have capacity for these jobs. Mexico does not...that's why they are here

tempo_n_groove

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

Well aware of this.  So.  They take the good paying jobs from US residents by doing so or they drive down the price of said jobs because they know the drill.

While building a Federal Penitentiary in Louisiana they did drug testing for a company.  They took all 60 employees to have them tested.  Only 2 came back to work.  That company folded and that work was absorbed by the GC.  98% of the work force was using stolen SS #'s.

That tax money that they do generate, does it not go into limbo?

or

Do they just get T99 and never pay at all.

I understand that there is some good in all of this.  I'm just throwing out the obvious bad.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

This is for illegal people being here and was focused on what the Woman for Mexico Matter s said.

My thinking was if it's ok for us and it gets our economy going then why wouldn't it jumpstart theirs?  Just seems logical then...  There would be more influx of people so more jobs would be created, no?

What am I missing?

no...we have capacity for these jobs. Mexico does not...that's why they are here

I hear that immigration creates growth.  Literally that is what I hear.  Good for the economy.  So, why wouldn't that work down in Mexico?  They could start their own new "growth".

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

Well aware of this.  So.  They take the good paying jobs from US residents by doing so or they drive down the price of said jobs because they know the drill.

While building a Federal Penitentiary in Louisiana they did drug testing for a company.  They took all 60 employees to have them tested.  Only 2 came back to work.  That company folded and that work was absorbed by the GC.  98% of the work force was using stolen SS #'s.

That tax money that they do generate, does it not go into limbo?

or

Do they just get T99 and never pay at all.

I understand that there is some good in all of this.  I'm just throwing out the obvious bad.

They get W-2s if the employer isn't corrupt. Any tax withheld doesn't get claimed.

1099s are a different animal...no tax withheld there

cincybearcat

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

Yup this is true.  And still not a reason for allowing and tolerating illegal immigration.  The system is broken.

Bentleyspop

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

Yup this is true.  And still not a reason for allowing and tolerating illegal immigration.  The system is broken.

The system is definitely broken.
And I for one don't believe it should be allowed or tolerated.
But, there should be a way for someone who has been here for years or decades, working hard, raising a family, doing the right thing to get a green card, or even citizenship.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

This is for illegal people being here and was focused on what the Woman for Mexico Matter s said.

My thinking was if it's ok for us and it gets our economy going then why wouldn't it jumpstart theirs?  Just seems logical then...  There would be more influx of people so more jobs would be created, no?

What am I missing?

no...we have capacity for these jobs. Mexico does not...that's why they are here

I hear that immigration creates growth.  Literally that is what I hear.  Good for the economy.  So, why wouldn't that work down in Mexico?  They could start their own new "growth".

The tale of two completely different economies. 

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

My fear is that he will do and say stupid things and put morons in powerful positions 

a list was already created. its approx 900 pgs long. you should read it. its called project 2025 and is intended for the 100 days......

Merkin Baller

Bentleyspop said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

Yup this is true.  And still not a reason for allowing and tolerating illegal immigration.  The system is broken.

The system is definitely broken.
And I for one don't believe it should be allowed or tolerated.
But, there should be a way for someone who has been here for years or decades, working hard, raising a family, doing the right thing to get a green card, or even citizenship.

Agreed. 

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

This is for illegal people being here and was focused on what the Woman for Mexico Matter s said.

My thinking was if it's ok for us and it gets our economy going then why wouldn't it jumpstart theirs?  Just seems logical then...  There would be more influx of people so more jobs would be created, no?

What am I missing?

no...we have capacity for these jobs. Mexico does not...that's why they are here

I hear that immigration creates growth.  Literally that is what I hear.  Good for the economy.  So, why wouldn't that work down in Mexico?  They could start their own new "growth".

The tale of two completely different economies. 

It was the worst of times. It was the best of times. Please sir, can I have some Moore?

Way too fucking late.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

This is for illegal people being here and was focused on what the Woman for Mexico Matter s said.

My thinking was if it's ok for us and it gets our economy going then why wouldn't it jumpstart theirs?  Just seems logical then...  There would be more influx of people so more jobs would be created, no?

What am I missing?

no...we have capacity for these jobs. Mexico does not...that's why they are here

I hear that immigration creates growth.  Literally that is what I hear.  Good for the economy.  So, why wouldn't that work down in Mexico?  They could start their own new "growth".

The tale of two completely different economies. 

It should create "growth" though.  You have an influx of people they all need to eat, live etc.  They would be working and buying things, it should create it's own impact on an economy.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the Immigration thread right?

Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.

There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
Of course there will be the lack of workers.
But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?

Many undocumented immigrants use fake/forged papers including stolen SS numbers. Therefore their employers are deducting all the income taxes, ss, medicaid, etc that they almost never claim.
These $$ go into the same pot that yours and mine go into.
There are literally millions  of people, undocumented and documented, who use fake/forged papers and stolen SS #s to get jobs.

They're also spending money to live here, on rent, groceries, life in general... that's a f ton of money going into our economy that is also going to disappear with them. 

Fast track to citizenship (for those whose only crime is being undocumented) SHOULD be the goal here, not deportation, but that wouldn't satisfy the *ahem* sentiment that's been stoked these last 10 years. 

This is for illegal people being here and was focused on what the Woman for Mexico Matter s said.

My thinking was if it's ok for us and it gets our economy going then why wouldn't it jumpstart theirs?  Just seems logical then...  There would be more influx of people so more jobs would be created, no?

What am I missing?

no...we have capacity for these jobs. Mexico does not...that's why they are here

I hear that immigration creates growth.  Literally that is what I hear.  Good for the economy.  So, why wouldn't that work down in Mexico?  They could start their own new "growth".

The tale of two completely different economies. 

It should create "growth" though.  You have an influx of people they all need to eat, live etc.  They would be working and buying things, it should create it's own impact on an economy.

So...they go back home to no job since that is why they left in the first place. Because they have no job they have no money.

That does not grow an economy. That's why they left.