Immigration

nicknyr15

josevolution said:

ComeToTX said:

I live in Texas, a state that has been run by republicans for 30 years. Half of that was with a republican president and eight of those years were with a republican president from Texas. In all that time nothing has been done about the border. Why? Because the economy in this state and many others would collapse without cheap labor. They don’t want to solve it, they just want to bitch about it for election purposes. They could fine every company using illegal labor if they wanted to but they don’t because they’d lose cheap workers. 

Exactly this I wanna see how all these fuck face voters who run small businesses feel once their labor pool is drained and they have to do work! When I see the landscaping trucks coming they are driving by immigrants not the dude who owns the company he’s probably on the beach or golf course all he does is collect the $$ and pay his crew 50-75$ a day , same with roofing company or tree service companies! That’s my observation here on Long Island I’ve talked to a lot of immigrants they are good people I know there’s some bad apples but most just want to work to survive and feed their families! 

Agree with this but let’s not downplay what it takes to start, own and operate any successful business. It’s a lot harder than collecting money on a golf course. Trust me. 

Choccoloccotide

josevolution said:

ComeToTX said:

I live in Texas, a state that has been run by republicans for 30 years. Half of that was with a republican president and eight of those years were with a republican president from Texas. In all that time nothing has been done about the border. Why? Because the economy in this state and many others would collapse without cheap labor. They don’t want to solve it, they just want to bitch about it for election purposes. They could fine every company using illegal labor if they wanted to but they don’t because they’d lose cheap workers. 

Exactly this I wanna see how all these fuck face voters who run small businesses feel once their labor pool is drained and they have to do work! When I see the landscaping trucks coming they are driving by immigrants not the dude who owns the company he’s probably on the beach or golf course all he does is collect the $$ and pay his crew 50-75$ a day , same with roofing company or tree service companies! That’s my observation here on Long Island I’ve talked to a lot of immigrants they are good people I know there’s some bad apples but most just want to work to survive and feed their families! 

What you guys fail to understand is that the old GOP is dead.  The Bush’s, Cheney’s have been rejected by MAGA.  We’re now the party of strong borders, no more war and the working class.  

Halifax2TheMax

Choccoloccotide said:

josevolution said:

ComeToTX said:

I live in Texas, a state that has been run by republicans for 30 years. Half of that was with a republican president and eight of those years were with a republican president from Texas. In all that time nothing has been done about the border. Why? Because the economy in this state and many others would collapse without cheap labor. They don’t want to solve it, they just want to bitch about it for election purposes. They could fine every company using illegal labor if they wanted to but they don’t because they’d lose cheap workers. 

Exactly this I wanna see how all these fuck face voters who run small businesses feel once their labor pool is drained and they have to do work! When I see the landscaping trucks coming they are driving by immigrants not the dude who owns the company he’s probably on the beach or golf course all he does is collect the $$ and pay his crew 50-75$ a day , same with roofing company or tree service companies! That’s my observation here on Long Island I’ve talked to a lot of immigrants they are good people I know there’s some bad apples but most just want to work to survive and feed their families! 

What you guys fail to understand is that the old GOP is dead.  The Bush’s, Cheney’s have been rejected by MAGA.  We’re now the party of strong borders, no more war and the working class.  

Want to lay down some markers?

Spiritual_Chaos

Choccoloccotide said:

josevolution said:

ComeToTX said:

I live in Texas, a state that has been run by republicans for 30 years. Half of that was with a republican president and eight of those years were with a republican president from Texas. In all that time nothing has been done about the border. Why? Because the economy in this state and many others would collapse without cheap labor. They don’t want to solve it, they just want to bitch about it for election purposes. They could fine every company using illegal labor if they wanted to but they don’t because they’d lose cheap workers. 

Exactly this I wanna see how all these fuck face voters who run small businesses feel once their labor pool is drained and they have to do work! When I see the landscaping trucks coming they are driving by immigrants not the dude who owns the company he’s probably on the beach or golf course all he does is collect the $$ and pay his crew 50-75$ a day , same with roofing company or tree service companies! That’s my observation here on Long Island I’ve talked to a lot of immigrants they are good people I know there’s some bad apples but most just want to work to survive and feed their families! 

What you guys fail to understand is that the old GOP is dead.  The Bush’s, Cheney’s have been rejected by MAGA.  We’re now the party of strong borders, no more war and the working class.  

Again, Trump wanted to know if he could nuke North Korea and blame it on another country. 
Again, strong borders won't help a garbage nation having the official stance that "climate change isn't real"
Again, Joe Biden fought inflation stronger than most other western democracies while Trumps taxbreaks and tariffs favoures the rich. Inflation and tariffs punishes the working class the most. Taxcuts for the rich do not help the working class the most. 


I understand there is nothing in your head to stop these kind of statements and therefore it is impossible for you to reflect. 
And I'm also fairly certain you do not vote "MAGA" because of strong borders, no wars or the working class. You are doing it because of other things.

Halifax2TheMax

The “working class” is going into servitude but they don’t know it yet.

Choccoloccotide

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

Halifax2TheMax

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

Let’s do this, since you’re crowing, quarterly reports on interest rates, unemployment, the Dow, inflation rate, cost of a gallon of gas and US boots on the ground or the MIC contractors #s/deaths. You know, all the reasons you POOTWH voters claim as the reason(s) for pulling the lever. 88.

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

ComeToTX said:

I live in Texas, a state that has been run by republicans for 30 years. Half of that was with a republican president and eight of those years were with a republican president from Texas. In all that time nothing has been done about the border. Why? Because the economy in this state and many others would collapse without cheap labor. They don’t want to solve it, they just want to bitch about it for election purposes. They could fine every company using illegal labor if they wanted to but they don’t because they’d lose cheap workers. 

Exactly this I wanna see how all these fuck face voters who run small businesses feel once their labor pool is drained and they have to do work! When I see the landscaping trucks coming they are driving by immigrants not the dude who owns the company he’s probably on the beach or golf course all he does is collect the $$ and pay his crew 50-75$ a day , same with roofing company or tree service companies! That’s my observation here on Long Island I’ve talked to a lot of immigrants they are good people I know there’s some bad apples but most just want to work to survive and feed their families! 

Agree with this but let’s not downplay what it takes to start, own and operate any successful business. It’s a lot harder than collecting money on a golf course. Trust me. 

I understand that! But once a landscaper has his clients he just sends the crews out to do the labor ! Yes he/she still has to do the billing the buying of maintenance equipment. 

Choccoloccotide

Halifax2TheMax said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

Let’s do this, since you’re crowing, quarterly reports on interest rates, unemployment, the Dow, inflation rate, cost of a gallon of gas and US boots on the ground or the MIC contractors #s/deaths. You know, all the reasons you POOTWH voters claim as the reason(s) for pulling the lever. 88.

Thank you

Halifax2TheMax

Speaking of small businesses, record number of new small business applications under the Brandon administration. Here’s a new marker, number of new small business applications by quarter. Let’s see how POOTWH stacks up.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2555

cincybearcat

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

I fear he will start a riot at the capitol and try to stop the transfer of power.

I fear he will shear on his pregnant wife.

i fear he will sexual assault women.

i fear he will have a crush on his teenage (at the time) daughter.

i fear he will lie about a pandemic that will kill millions of Americans.

wait - he already did all that and more.  How anyone can vote for that person for anything, even head of your HOA is disturbing to me. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

Here is a list. Get back to me in 6 months:

1) The US will disregard and work against climate change. Instead of as the biggest superpower in the world be pro active on that front.

2) The US will take actions that work in favour of Putin. Instead of as the biggest superpower be pro active in pushing back

3) The US will actively make/keep it harder for women their right to their own bodys

4) No steps will be taken to have normal fucking healthcare like any non-garbage country in the world have

5) The US will not stand against Netanyahu and the slaughter that is happening in Palestine - with right now 70% of the killed being women and children. This by US made and sold weapons

6) Pearl Jam will not play Sweden

 

Tim Simmons

I find it super weird that this was the thread that was topped when the election was called. 

Hmmmm

benjs

I’m curious to hear from others, but these are my conclusions stemming from these last three elections.

1. The voting populace will vote for immediate change, not long term change. 

2. Character is not even close to a top issue
3. The truthfulness of a claim is not considered by supporters
4. The voting populace is deaf to criticism by non-supporters (and excuse criticism by claiming that someone is a non-supporter)
5. There is a belief in the finite amount of power and government concern available for distribution. Therefore, power or government concern granted to any cohort other than a voter’s own, is seen as a loss of power to (or lack of concern about) that voter. That includes gender, race, religion, and any other exploitable division of humans.
6. If given permission to suppress critical thought, by someone seen as powerful, a voter will gladly take that opportunity.

Gern Blansten

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

My fear is that he will do and say stupid things and put morons in powerful positions 

tbergs

Choccoloccotide said:

josevolution said:

ComeToTX said:

I live in Texas, a state that has been run by republicans for 30 years. Half of that was with a republican president and eight of those years were with a republican president from Texas. In all that time nothing has been done about the border. Why? Because the economy in this state and many others would collapse without cheap labor. They don’t want to solve it, they just want to bitch about it for election purposes. They could fine every company using illegal labor if they wanted to but they don’t because they’d lose cheap workers. 

Exactly this I wanna see how all these fuck face voters who run small businesses feel once their labor pool is drained and they have to do work! When I see the landscaping trucks coming they are driving by immigrants not the dude who owns the company he’s probably on the beach or golf course all he does is collect the $$ and pay his crew 50-75$ a day , same with roofing company or tree service companies! That’s my observation here on Long Island I’ve talked to a lot of immigrants they are good people I know there’s some bad apples but most just want to work to survive and feed their families! 

What you guys fail to understand is that the old GOP is dead.  The Bush’s, Cheney’s have been rejected by MAGA.  We’re now the party of strong borders, no more war and the working class.  

I believe this and saw it coming when the Cheney endorsements rolled in. I get it, even if I disagree that Trump is the right person to lead the new Republicans. I can't get behind choosing a morally bankrupt and corrupt human being to be the face of that movement. Rewarding someone who if they worked for me, would have been fired numerous times for various criminal and civil violations. It's baffling.

I'm all for no war and I would say so are the dems, but you guys are confusing supporting a country who was invaded by our enemy, with what happened in 2003. We didn't start the war in Ukraine, but to let Russia have Ukraine is the beginning of the end game globally. That type of nationalist thinking is setting us back to the 1930's as we watched Nazi Germany steamrolling Europe and didn't do anything thinking it's not our problem.

Meanwhile, you say no war, but yet Trump will continue to cozy up and support Bibi and Israel, MBS and other dictators around the world. How is that going to work out? America first though, right? From a guy who did nothing for infrastructure, nothing for Healthcare and didn't bring manufacturing back.

I personally think you're putting faith in someone whose main interest the first time in office was self-enrichment and the personal legacy for his friends and family. Do you care about the emoluments clause at all? Do you care about presidential immunity? I'm highly concerned about the irreparable damage he will do to this country for the rest of my life.

Anyway, I know there was resentment for Harris being annointed without a primary and there was an issue because people saw her as a continuation of Biden (which she didn't do much to dispute), but when you look at what Biden has done, why would that be worse than what we saw Trump already do once? Tax breaks for the rich, SCOTUS appointments to strip women's rights, national security risks due, public health risks. Yikes!

Hopefully the border bill Republicans refused to pass will now pass so he can claim how tough he was on the border.

tbergs

Halifax2TheMax said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

Let’s do this, since you’re crowing, quarterly reports on interest rates, unemployment, the Dow, inflation rate, cost of a gallon of gas and US boots on the ground or the MIC contractors #s/deaths. You know, all the reasons you POOTWH voters claim as the reason(s) for pulling the lever. 88.

Ok, I'll ask, what's 88? Days til he's in office or something?

Tim Simmons

benjs said:

I’m curious to hear from others, but these are my conclusions stemming from these last three elections.

1. The voting populace will vote for immediate change, not long term change. 

2. Character is not even close to a top issue
3. The truthfulness of a claim is not considered by supporters
4. The voting populace is deaf to criticism by non-supporters (and excuse criticism by claiming that someone is a non-supporter)
5. There is a belief in the finite amount of power and government concern available for distribution. Therefore, power or government concern granted to any cohort other than a voter’s own, is seen as a loss of power to (or lack of concern about) that voter. That includes gender, race, religion, and any other exploitable division of humans.
6. If given permission to suppress critical thought, by someone seen as powerful, a voter will gladly take that opportunity.

mmmmm. this is interesting. I want to sit with this. great thoughts

josevolution

https://abc7ny.com/amp/post/new-york-city-ending-voucher-program-allowed-migrant-families-buy-own-food/15523750/

jerparker20

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  

Let’s do this, since you’re crowing, quarterly reports on interest rates, unemployment, the Dow, inflation rate, cost of a gallon of gas and US boots on the ground or the MIC contractors #s/deaths. You know, all the reasons you POOTWH voters claim as the reason(s) for pulling the lever. 88.

Ok, I'll ask, what's 88? Days til he's in office or something?

88 = HH. It’s a reference used in white supremacy circles. I think you can figure it out from there. 

Example: The Hells Angels will produce merch that states “Support your Local 81”

81 = HA = Hells Angels