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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,489
    Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  
    I fear he will start a riot at the capitol and try to stop the transfer of power.

    I fear he will shear on his pregnant wife.

    i fear he will sexual assault women.

    i fear he will have a crush on his teenage (at the time) daughter.

    i fear he will lie about a pandemic that will kill millions of Americans.

    wait - he already did all that and more.  How anyone can vote for that person for anything, even head of your HOA is disturbing to me. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    edited November 9
    Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  
    Here is a list. Get back to me in 6 months:

    1) The US will disregard and work against climate change. Instead of as the biggest superpower in the world be pro active on that front.

    2) The US will take actions that work in favour of Putin. Instead of as the biggest superpower be pro active in pushing back

    3) The US will actively make/keep it harder for women their right to their own bodys

    4) No steps will be taken to have normal fucking healthcare like any non-garbage country in the world have

    5) The US will not stand against Netanyahu and the slaughter that is happening in Palestine - with right now 70% of the killed being women and children. This by US made and sold weapons

    6) Pearl Jam will not play Sweden

     
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    I find it super weird that this was the thread that was topped when the election was called. 

    Hmmmm
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,173
    edited November 9
    I’m curious to hear from others, but these are my conclusions stemming from these last three elections.

    1. The voting populace will vote for immediate change, not long term change. 
    2. Character is not even close to a top issue
    3. The truthfulness of a claim is not considered by supporters
    4. The voting populace is deaf to criticism by non-supporters (and excuse criticism by claiming that someone is a non-supporter)
    5. There is a belief in the finite amount of power and government concern available for distribution. Therefore, power or government concern granted to any cohort other than a voter’s own, is seen as a loss of power to (or lack of concern about) that voter. That includes gender, race, religion, and any other exploitable division of humans.
    6. If given permission to suppress critical thought, by someone seen as powerful, a voter will gladly take that opportunity.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  
    My fear is that he will do and say stupid things and put morons in powerful positions 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,877
    ComeToTX said:
    I live in Texas, a state that has been run by republicans for 30 years. Half of that was with a republican president and eight of those years were with a republican president from Texas. In all that time nothing has been done about the border. Why? Because the economy in this state and many others would collapse without cheap labor. They don’t want to solve it, they just want to bitch about it for election purposes. They could fine every company using illegal labor if they wanted to but they don’t because they’d lose cheap workers. 
    Exactly this I wanna see how all these fuck face voters who run small businesses feel once their labor pool is drained and they have to do work! When I see the landscaping trucks coming they are driving by immigrants not the dude who owns the company he’s probably on the beach or golf course all he does is collect the $$ and pay his crew 50-75$ a day , same with roofing company or tree service companies! That’s my observation here on Long Island I’ve talked to a lot of immigrants they are good people I know there’s some bad apples but most just want to work to survive and feed their families! 
    What you guys fail to understand is that the old GOP is dead.  The Bush’s, Cheney’s have been rejected by MAGA.  We’re now the party of strong borders, no more war and the working class.  
    I believe this and saw it coming when the Cheney endorsements rolled in. I get it, even if I disagree that Trump is the right person to lead the new Republicans. I can't get behind choosing a morally bankrupt and corrupt human being to be the face of that movement. Rewarding someone who if they worked for me, would have been fired numerous times for various criminal and civil violations. It's baffling.

    I'm all for no war and I would say so are the dems, but you guys are confusing supporting a country who was invaded by our enemy, with what happened in 2003. We didn't start the war in Ukraine, but to let Russia have Ukraine is the beginning of the end game globally. That type of nationalist thinking is setting us back to the 1930's as we watched Nazi Germany steamrolling Europe and didn't do anything thinking it's not our problem.

    Meanwhile, you say no war, but yet Trump will continue to cozy up and support Bibi and Israel, MBS and other dictators around the world. How is that going to work out? America first though, right? From a guy who did nothing for infrastructure, nothing for Healthcare and didn't bring manufacturing back.

    I personally think you're putting faith in someone whose main interest the first time in office was self-enrichment and the personal legacy for his friends and family. Do you care about the emoluments clause at all? Do you care about presidential immunity? I'm highly concerned about the irreparable damage he will do to this country for the rest of my life.

    Anyway, I know there was resentment for Harris being annointed without a primary and there was an issue because people saw her as a continuation of Biden (which she didn't do much to dispute), but when you look at what Biden has done, why would that be worse than what we saw Trump already do once? Tax breaks for the rich, SCOTUS appointments to strip women's rights, national security risks due, public health risks. Yikes!

    Hopefully the border bill Republicans refused to pass will now pass so he can claim how tough he was on the border.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,877
    Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  
    Let’s do this, since you’re crowing, quarterly reports on interest rates, unemployment, the Dow, inflation rate, cost of a gallon of gas and US boots on the ground or the MIC contractors #s/deaths. You know, all the reasons you POOTWH voters claim as the reason(s) for pulling the lever. 88.
    Ok, I'll ask, what's 88? Days til he's in office or something?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    benjs said:
    I’m curious to hear from others, but these are my conclusions stemming from these last three elections.

    1. The voting populace will vote for immediate change, not long term change. 
    2. Character is not even close to a top issue
    3. The truthfulness of a claim is not considered by supporters
    4. The voting populace is deaf to criticism by non-supporters (and excuse criticism by claiming that someone is a non-supporter)
    5. There is a belief in the finite amount of power and government concern available for distribution. Therefore, power or government concern granted to any cohort other than a voter’s own, is seen as a loss of power to (or lack of concern about) that voter. That includes gender, race, religion, and any other exploitable division of humans.
    6. If given permission to suppress critical thought, by someone seen as powerful, a voter will gladly take that opportunity.
    mmmmm. this is interesting. I want to sit with this. great thoughts

  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,513
    edited November 10
    tbergs said:
    Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  
    Let’s do this, since you’re crowing, quarterly reports on interest rates, unemployment, the Dow, inflation rate, cost of a gallon of gas and US boots on the ground or the MIC contractors #s/deaths. You know, all the reasons you POOTWH voters claim as the reason(s) for pulling the lever. 88.
    Ok, I'll ask, what's 88? Days til he's in office or something?
    88 = HH. It’s a reference used in white supremacy circles. I think you can figure it out from there. 

    Example: The Hells Angels will produce merch that states “Support your Local 81”

    81 = HA = Hells Angels
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,195
    Let’s try something new.  You guys make a list of all the things you are afraid that Trump will do and post here or start a new thread.  Then let’s revisit your lists every 6 months to see if your fears actually come to fruition.  I believe the results may be eye opening.  This isn’t a gotcha moment either, but just an honest exercise.  
    Here is a list. Get back to me in 6 months:

    1) The US will disregard and work against climate change. Instead of as the biggest superpower in the world be pro active on that front.

    2) The US will take actions that work in favour of Putin. Instead of as the biggest superpower be pro active in pushing back

    3) The US will actively make/keep it harder for women their right to their own bodys

    4) No steps will be taken to have normal fucking healthcare like any non-garbage country in the world have

    5) The US will not stand against Netanyahu and the slaughter that is happening in Palestine - with right now 70% of the killed being women and children. This by US made and sold weapons

    6) Pearl Jam will not play Sweden

     
    1. I don't think anyone's trying to hide this.
    2. Obviously
    3. Probably
    4. True but that's the case regardless. Not only MAGA but mainstream Dems and GOP don't want any part of this.
    5. True but that would have also been the case regardless.
    6. Hell, they might move to Sweden, now. Residency at the Stockholm Theater. 
    7. The firing of at least a million federal employees will lead to the firing of at least another million people (some even at private companies). 
    8. These firings will result in no tax cuts or save government money as all of it goes to Elon.
    9. The return of the vilification of all media that doesn't kiss his feet. Perhaps even an organized shutting down of most of 'em.
    10. Blue states will see reductions in federal funds, which will be diverted to red states.
    11. Minnesota, which voted for Harris and is governed by a running mate that called Elon a dipshit, has a gubernatorial election in 2026. I predict the Administration, probably Elon, sends their voters the message that if Walz/Dem wins, the state will be punished in the form of federal (for example, highway) funds reductions. Flag this one...it might seem a bit out there. Let's see whether I'm right.
    12. The richest 1% get richer.
    13. The working class for which they "fight" get poorer.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,195
    Not to mention that the courts will spend the next several decades as a "party first" body.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,822
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
    Of course there will be the lack of workers.
    But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
    Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
    If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
    Of course there will be the lack of workers.
    But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
    Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
    If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

    What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

    Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,601
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,964
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    Yep all those jobs Americans just don’t do anymore, it’s easy to see what jobs just look around! Look at those roofs, those manicured yards, the trees that are getting taken down etc etc etc hell look at the local car wash 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
    All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
    I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
    The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,964
    mace1229 said:
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
    All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
    I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
    The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 
    So where do you live here in NY all the jobs mentioned are done by immigrants! 
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  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,513
    edited November 13
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Agricultural workers, those who pick fruits and vegetables and work the fields.

    The meat processing and packaging workers.

    Industrial laundry workers.

    Behind the scenes staff like bar-backs, dishwashers and line cooks in the restaurant and hospitality industries. 

    Think of the jobs most Americans would consider a “shit job.” Those are the jobs they fill. Also, there are not enough Americans in America to fill these jobs.

    Its amazed me how the politicians have screamed and hollered about the illegals till their blue in the face, but NEVER once do you hear them call out the businesses and employers who actively employ them.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    There will also be a profound effect in the U.S.
    Of course there will be the lack of workers.
    But then the lack of spending by these people in the U.S.in local stores and restaurants 
    Then there is all of the money not going into medicaid, Social Security,  local and state taxes etc.
    If it happens it will be ugly for Mexico as well as many other countries and, of course, here in the good old U.S. of A.

    What money is going into taxes if theyre here illegally?  They aren't paying income tax, only sales tax.

    Again, it is ok for the US to take on this burden but Mexico can't?
    They are absolutely paying social security/medicare and income tax. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    Yep all those jobs Americans just don’t do anymore, it’s easy to see what jobs just look around! Look at those roofs, those manicured yards, the trees that are getting taken down etc etc etc hell look at the local car wash 
    I live in NY like Jose so he should know that quite a few of those pay really well and yes, people still want to do them.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Right...there aren't enough Americans to take these jobs and the only Americans that want the jobs are very likely the shittiest workers imaginable.

    Food service, landscaping, construction, etc.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,601
    mace1229 said:
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
    All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
    I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
    The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 

    So, yeah... white people can be undocumented immigrants too, there's no shortage of Irish for example that have overstayed their visas or entered illegally, but I digress. 


    I also failed to mention meat packing - I don't have access to the #s, but I'm pretty sure that's another industry that relies heavily on immigrants.

    IDK... if our new commander-in-chief goes through with his mass deportation plan, we'll find out pretty quickly just how much these industries rely on undocumented laborers. 

    Maybe the price of eggs will come down, but I'm skeptical. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Agricultural workers, those who pick fruits and vegetables and work the fields.

    The meat processing and packaging workers.

    Industrial laundry workers.

    Behind the scenes staff like bar-backs, dishwashers and line cooks in the restaurant and hospitality industries. 

    Think of the jobs most Americans would consider a “shit job.” Those are the jobs they fill. Also, there are not enough Americans in America to fill these jobs.

    Its amazed me how the politicians have screamed and hollered about the illegals till their blue in the face, but NEVER once do you hear them call out the businesses and employers who actively employ them.
    1- can get seasonal passes to work like has happened for the past 60 years...
    2-5 These are all jobs that people complain about that are paying poorly.  If no one is there to fill the roles then the rates for those jobs increase.  Kind of like what happened during Covid.  So there's that.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    mace1229 said:
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
    All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
    I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
    The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 

    So, yeah... white people can be undocumented immigrants too, there's no shortage of Irish for example that have overstayed their visas or entered illegally, but I digress. 


    I also failed to mention meat packing - I don't have access to the #s, but I'm pretty sure that's another industry that relies heavily on immigrants.

    IDK... if our new commander-in-chief goes through with his mass deportation plan, we'll find out pretty quickly just how much these industries rely on undocumented laborers. 

    Maybe the price of eggs will come down, but I'm skeptical. 
    It's been pointed out before how many of these workers the trump org benefits from. Their facilities would suffer for sure.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    mace1229 said:
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
    All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
    I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
    The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 
    So where do you live here in NY all the jobs mentioned are done by immigrants! 
    Laboreres if union are well paid jobs.cooks if theya re good are paid well, home health aides should have a degree and are paid well, janitors and building cleaners are also usually union jobs.  

    See my previous response also.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    mace1229 said:
    This is the Immigration thread right?

    Listening to NPR last night and on On Point there was a woman for a radio show called Radio Now by the name of Marianna Comparo talked about the possible deportations coming.

    Go to 44:17 "What a second Trump term means" https://www.wnyc.org/shows/on-point

    They talk about if Mexico were to receive 7 million people sent back to them and the profound affect it would have on the country and its economy.  They also talk about the 64 Billion that the workers here send back to Mexico to help their families at home.

    If it's reason enough to say it's a possible problem for Mexico then why isn't it an ongoing problem for the US?  I was dumbfounded to hear her say this yet there are people here in the US that insist it's not a problem.
    Doesn't the problem relate to there not being enough good paying jobs in Mexico? These people come to the US, make good money, and send it back to family in MX. Now they won't be able to do that. If they come back they could be unemployed or not make enough to support their household expenses.

    The problem to the US will be all of the holes left by these workers that US companies can't replace. But MAGA!
    Holes by what workers?  All i hear is the jobs that we americans don't want to do.  What are those jobs?
    Well, for starters: construction laborers, maids and housekeepers, cooks, home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. 

    I think our president elect referred to them as 'black jobs'. That wouldn't be the term I would use, but he sure did. 
    You didn't mention the only one that actually comes to mind for me. Agriculture.
    All the ones you mentioned I see plenty of white people doing, depending on where you live.
    I've seen plenty of house cleaners, construction workers, etc of all nationalities. One of the differences when it is majority-minority or not is it's large business that hires out the labor vs a smaller company doing it themselves.
    The only exception I regularly see is agriculture. I've never see dozens of white folks lined up to pick strawberries in a field. 

    So, yeah... white people can be undocumented immigrants too, there's no shortage of Irish for example that have overstayed their visas or entered illegally, but I digress. 


    I also failed to mention meat packing - I don't have access to the #s, but I'm pretty sure that's another industry that relies heavily on immigrants.

    IDK... if our new commander-in-chief goes through with his mass deportation plan, we'll find out pretty quickly just how much these industries rely on undocumented laborers. 

    Maybe the price of eggs will come down, but I'm skeptical. 
    The Irish all tend bars, cmon man.  Haven't you gone into the Pig and Whistle?
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