And I have a non-harmful belief that homosexuality is repugnant and perverted. Should homosexuals be tolerant of that belief, or should they continue pressing indoctrination in elementary school classrooms that suggests homosexuality is acceptable?
The problem with liberal tolerance is that it is only tolerant of liberal ideas. At least conservatives admit that they will not tolerate certain ideas - libs claim they are tolerant. That is, until you oppose them.
No one is stopping you from believing what you want. You want to stop people from believing what they want. There's a difference.
Tolerance is tolerance, there's nothing liberal or conservative about it. You tolerate something (you don't have to "accept" it, per se) and you move on. That's not what you want. You want promotion of intolerance under the guise of tolerance (tolerance of intolerance - the conservative straw man).
Your beliefs are harmful. Therefore I will not tolerate them.
If anyone is willing to step ouside their own cognitive dissonance and look at what I am saying, I am saying that the idea that homosexuality is wrong is an illusion. I am also saying there is no necessity for homosexuals to repent for wrongdoing, considering the idea that it is wrong is a false idea to begin with.
The problem is that humanity has many such judgments and false ideas, and therefore, if there is inner conflict within the individual, and the felt need to repent or "forgive" one's self for one's sexuality in order to become clear and realistic, that is actually an act that restores one to the clarity of reality, wherein the false understanding of one's wrongness is erased. And IN ONE's perception, one can be peaceful and at-one with their truth.
I very clearly point to that the judgments and accusations of others--in other words the conflicts people hold regarding the ideas, beliefs or lifestyle about another--are about the person who holds the conflict and is doing the judging and is entirely independent of the person judged.
or how about we clear out all our own interpretations of what is right and what is wrong and realize that we all have different standards of morality? to even think that a person's beliefs about what is right or what is wrong is wrong in itself.
it's expedient for us to realize this.... there are different moral conducts all throughout the world. take brazil for instance... its a south american country but they're probably the most unique country in the entire american continents. in usa, we generally think that "cheating" is a bad thing. while in brazil it's become an accepted costum to have multiple partners. it's probably not true for all the millions of them but it's mostly accepted by the majority. try and have that as an accepted conduct here in america... most will consider it wrong and inappropriate, inconsiderate or selfish.
the point is within sects, subsects or subcultures we have our accepted way of living. some people conduct a lifestyle that accepts habitually smoking weed, while others habitually attending church. the same with homosexuality... some people accept the lifestyle, others don't.
we'd all be safe enough to respect each other's different lifestyles... otherwise we'd be accusing the other of doing the same thing we're doing exactly; forcing others to think like us.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
And I have a non-harmful belief that homosexuality is repugnant and perverted. Should homosexuals be tolerant of that belief, or should they continue pressing indoctrination in elementary school classrooms that suggests homosexuality is acceptable?
The problem with liberal tolerance is that it is only tolerant of liberal ideas. At least conservatives admit that they will not tolerate certain ideas - libs claim they are tolerant. That is, until you oppose them.
As long as your beliefs don't infringe on the rights of homosexuals, yes, they should tolerate your beliefs.
When liberals aren't tolerant, they are usually that way against right-wing conservative ideologies that are based on intolerance towards others!
or how about we clear out all our own interpretations of what is right and what is wrong and realize that we all have different standards of morality? to even think that a person's beliefs about what is right or what is wrong is wrong in itself.
it's expedient for us to realize this.... there are different moral conducts all throughout the world. take brazil for instance... its a south american country but they're probably the most unique country in the entire american continents. in usa, we generally think that "cheating" is a bad thing. while in brazil it's become an accepted costum to have multiple partners. it's probably not true for all the millions of them but it's mostly accepted by the majority. try and have that as an accepted conduct here in america... most will consider it wrong and inappropriate, inconsiderate or selfish.
the point is within sects, subsects or subcultures we have our accepted way of living. some people conduct a lifestyle that accepts habitually smoking weed, while others habitually attending church. the same with homosexuality... some people accept the lifestyle, others don't.
we'd all be safe enough to respect each other's different lifestyles... otherwise we'd be accusing the other of doing the same thing we're doing exactly; forcing others to think like us.
Very nice. And also realistic. Thank you.
edit: There are universal laws we are all governed by, including moral laws, but the point is that we all choose, and we all have our own choices and the consequences of our actions to live and learn by. As anyone evolves, what is false, harmful, etc. falls away. Judging one another only blocks us from learning our own lessons. I advocate freedom of speech in my own head, so I allow myself to judge in my own head when I feel compelled to do so, as a way of learning lessons--through the metaphor of someone else's life, or through my own false views, which will bring me consequences and ultimately teach me to evolve. However, I don't use my need to learn and understand as an excuse to externalize that and make it be about someone else, thereby putting my judgment on another. That's about my own blindness and brings quick consequence.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Should homosexuals be tolerant of that belief, or should they continue pressing indoctrination in elementary school classrooms that suggests homosexuality is acceptable?
huh? i would love to see some proof of this nonsense, but i won't hold my breath knowing how little you care for things like evidence supporting your wild allegations.
huh? i would love to see some proof of this nonsense, but i won't hold my breath knowing how little you care for things like evidence supporting your wild allegations.
Elementary schools in Boston I think have taught information concerning homosexuality and about children with homosexual parents.
I love how you people ask for proof. Verify it yourself, what do you think I'm your bitch?
You're my bitch, soulsinging.
I guess that sounded gay.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Honestly, I'm pretty smart if I do say so myself..
no please...go right ahead...
continuously over and over in a shameless read between the lines manner... post after post....
chicks love it...
lol...I just f-in wid ya...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I would say that homosexuality, pedophelia, zoophelia, heterosexuality, etc... are all the cause of genetics and non are inherently wrong. They are only wrong because of how we perceive them.
Personally, I think there is far more correlation between mass murder and homosexuality than there is with homosexuality and pedophelia. But either way, neither are a product of the "Gay Movement".
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I would say that homosexuality, pedophelia, zoophelia, heterosexuality, etc... are all the cause of genetics and non are inherently wrong. They are only wrong because of how we perceive them.
Personally, I think there is far more correlation between mass murder and homosexuality than there is with homosexuality and pedophelia. But either way, neither are a product of the "Gay Movement".
ok dude... this time i'm going to question you... but for real.
"correlation between mass murder and homosexuality" explain.
"pedophelia.... none are inherently wrong" explain.
i've always thought that it was all a part of genetics... even getting turned on by a girl who wears high-heels, or some kind of weird fettish.... so i sort of stacked all sexual orientations into one and just figured, "ah, people get horny in different ways. big deal." but i'm not understanding your correlation of mass murder... or not unless, people get arousals from it like John Doe from Se7en....
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
I would say that homosexuality, pedophelia, zoophelia, heterosexuality, etc... are all the cause of genetics and non are inherently wrong. They are only wrong because of how we perceive them.
Personally, I think there is far more correlation between mass murder and homosexuality than there is with homosexuality and pedophelia. But either way, neither are a product of the "Gay Movement".
There is nothing inherently wrong with consentual acts between adults. There are very real things wrong with acts against non-consenting humans or animals.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I like the water droplet analogy. However, as much as the drop is individual and becomes part of the ocean, the ocean as an entity is much greater. Without the ocean, the drop is nothing.
100% agreed.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Elementary schools in Boston I think have taught information concerning homosexuality and about children with homosexual parents.
Acknowledging the reality that homosexuals exist, and that some children have homosexual parents, and suggesting that children not ostracize or abuse others because of that, is not "indoctrination."
What is your evidence that the schools in Boston attempted to indoctrinate children into a gay lifestyle?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
There are lots of us stupid conservatives in college and we're growing by leaps and bounds.
Honestly, I'm pretty smart if I do say so myself. You shouldn't associate intelligence with politics.
it had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with being incapable of reasoned debate and resorting to an insult that was old and childish in junior high as an attempt to cover your lack of proof. why don't you just admit that you're really afraid of gay rights becos you still believe the gay thing might be contagious or something?
Acknowledging the reality that homosexuals exist, and that some children have homosexual parents, and suggesting that children not ostracize or abuse others because of that, is not "indoctrination."
What is your evidence that the schools in Boston attempted to indoctrinate children into a gay lifestyle?
you don't remember that news story where teachers forced kids to hold hands and some of the kids were of the same sex? man, it was a HUGE deal!
Do not engage in homosexuality. Why should this be any different? It goes against the laws of nature. It serves no God intended purpose. It spreads disease. Disrupts the family. Etc.
It does not go against the laws of nature and anybody who has ever lived on a farm knows that.
Again, eye color does not affect society and in a religious aspect, does not qualify as a sin in the bible.
The simple fact of the matter is, you either believe in the bible and God or you don't.
You are the one talking about genetics here. Saying yes you can be gay and that be genetic but being gay is evil is just as stupid as saying having green eyes is evil.
I hated to have to spell that out for you... seems self explanatory to me.
And I believe in God but not the Bible-- or at least not the Bible as the sole source of wisdom in the universe. Belief in God and in the Bible are two completely separate things.
No, God did not create imperfection. It was a byproduct of wickedness. Again, you either believe in the bible and God with its good vs. evil concept or you don't. Perfection is a gift that will come if you follow God's laws even when it isn't "the thing to do" or even if it causes "tribulation" and difficulty in your life. It is all intertwined and related. Unless you study ... REALLY study the bible without bias from tradition, you will not understand it.
So now you're saying that people who get sick it is because they were wicked?
The BIBLE says that only God can be perfect! Humans will never achieve perfection! We can strive for it, but it is unattainable for us! Perfection is NOT a gift!
Maybe you should study the Bible a little harder, dude.
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Tolerance is tolerance, there's nothing liberal or conservative about it. You tolerate something (you don't have to "accept" it, per se) and you move on. That's not what you want. You want promotion of intolerance under the guise of tolerance (tolerance of intolerance - the conservative straw man).
Your beliefs are harmful. Therefore I will not tolerate them.
the answer is = IT DOESNT
preaching fear of men in love...
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it's expedient for us to realize this.... there are different moral conducts all throughout the world. take brazil for instance... its a south american country but they're probably the most unique country in the entire american continents. in usa, we generally think that "cheating" is a bad thing. while in brazil it's become an accepted costum to have multiple partners. it's probably not true for all the millions of them but it's mostly accepted by the majority. try and have that as an accepted conduct here in america... most will consider it wrong and inappropriate, inconsiderate or selfish.
the point is within sects, subsects or subcultures we have our accepted way of living. some people conduct a lifestyle that accepts habitually smoking weed, while others habitually attending church. the same with homosexuality... some people accept the lifestyle, others don't.
we'd all be safe enough to respect each other's different lifestyles... otherwise we'd be accusing the other of doing the same thing we're doing exactly; forcing others to think like us.
As long as your beliefs don't infringe on the rights of homosexuals, yes, they should tolerate your beliefs.
When liberals aren't tolerant, they are usually that way against right-wing conservative ideologies that are based on intolerance towards others!
edit: There are universal laws we are all governed by, including moral laws, but the point is that we all choose, and we all have our own choices and the consequences of our actions to live and learn by. As anyone evolves, what is false, harmful, etc. falls away. Judging one another only blocks us from learning our own lessons. I advocate freedom of speech in my own head, so I allow myself to judge in my own head when I feel compelled to do so, as a way of learning lessons--through the metaphor of someone else's life, or through my own false views, which will bring me consequences and ultimately teach me to evolve. However, I don't use my need to learn and understand as an excuse to externalize that and make it be about someone else, thereby putting my judgment on another. That's about my own blindness and brings quick consequence.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
huh? i would love to see some proof of this nonsense, but i won't hold my breath knowing how little you care for things like evidence supporting your wild allegations.
Elementary schools in Boston I think have taught information concerning homosexuality and about children with homosexual parents.
I love how you people ask for proof. Verify it yourself, what do you think I'm your bitch?
You're my bitch, soulsinging.
I guess that sounded gay.
-Enoch Powell
no, i think you're the one making ridiculous and unfounded claims. i know you're spouting bullshit and im calling you on it.
lol, I think you're gay because you have too many S sounds in your username.
-Enoch Powell
im continually astounded that you got into college. they must have a strong remedial development program.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Haha
There are lots of us stupid conservatives in college and we're growing by leaps and bounds.
Honestly, I'm pretty smart if I do say so myself. You shouldn't associate intelligence with politics.
-Enoch Powell
no please...go right ahead...
continuously over and over in a shameless read between the lines manner... post after post....
chicks love it...
lol...I just f-in wid ya...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Thank you angelica! Your frequent psychological insights continue to provide relentless intellectual stimulation.
-Enoch Powell
I'm always trying to tap that Moving Train ass anyway. Gotta do it for da ladies.
-Enoch Powell
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Personally, I think there is far more correlation between mass murder and homosexuality than there is with homosexuality and pedophelia. But either way, neither are a product of the "Gay Movement".
"correlation between mass murder and homosexuality" explain.
"pedophelia.... none are inherently wrong" explain.
i've always thought that it was all a part of genetics... even getting turned on by a girl who wears high-heels, or some kind of weird fettish.... so i sort of stacked all sexual orientations into one and just figured, "ah, people get horny in different ways. big deal." but i'm not understanding your correlation of mass murder... or not unless, people get arousals from it like John Doe from Se7en....
There is nothing inherently wrong with consentual acts between adults. There are very real things wrong with acts against non-consenting humans or animals.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
What is your evidence that the schools in Boston attempted to indoctrinate children into a gay lifestyle?
it had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with being incapable of reasoned debate and resorting to an insult that was old and childish in junior high as an attempt to cover your lack of proof. why don't you just admit that you're really afraid of gay rights becos you still believe the gay thing might be contagious or something?
you don't remember that news story where teachers forced kids to hold hands and some of the kids were of the same sex? man, it was a HUGE deal!
It does not go against the laws of nature and anybody who has ever lived on a farm knows that.
Peace and Love
Deni
You are the one talking about genetics here. Saying yes you can be gay and that be genetic but being gay is evil is just as stupid as saying having green eyes is evil.
I hated to have to spell that out for you... seems self explanatory to me.
And I believe in God but not the Bible-- or at least not the Bible as the sole source of wisdom in the universe. Belief in God and in the Bible are two completely separate things.
Peace and Love
Deni
So now you're saying that people who get sick it is because they were wicked?
The BIBLE says that only God can be perfect! Humans will never achieve perfection! We can strive for it, but it is unattainable for us! Perfection is NOT a gift!
Maybe you should study the Bible a little harder, dude.
Peace and Love
Deni